How do you think relations between the USA and Russia will look in 2024...

How do you think relations between the USA and Russia will look in 2024? Do you believe that Donald Trump will be able to do what's right despite GOP and congress trying their hardest to destroy relationships with Russia even further?

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Everything will be great with new president.

If you're gonna shill that to Amerifats, you might want to change the decimal in GDP

I want libcucks to die in a fire.

retard vatnik

But Putin called himself a liberal, pidorashka.
lenta.ru/news/2014/01/19/liberally/

Kek. Good point.

Not an argument, cuck.

so all you putin fags are you admitting communism works?

Socialism, when utilised carefully in mixture with capitalism produces more prosperous society than either radical state communism or state corporatism.

Putin's the only sensible leader anywhere near Europe. I think Donald Trump can at least appreciate/accept him, despite the chilly relationship between Russia and the US. I hope it leads to better futures for both countries.

You mean Eduard Limonov.

You obviously never been in Russia. Putin spend billions to impress foreigners when for ordinary Russians nothing changed for 17 years.

Actually, a lot has changed. It just affected various regions to different degrees. Find me a starving russian today. In 1999 I could find you 20 in moskow under an hour.

>t. underage who does not remember early 00s

What about capitalism though?

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did he really take Russia out of shit tier and make it a 2nd world nation?

Are you saying normal people can't afford to pick up all that trash?
>b-b-but muh cold weather looks ugly!

I really don't want to have anything with the America. They can rot in hell as far as I'm concerned. I mean, you just can't let things like that this slide.

jacobinmag.com/2017/03/russia-us-clinton-boris-yeltsin-elections-interference-trump/

Because of them, we are now stuck with Putin and paranoid state of mind.

>implying that Putin is shitting up your backyard, not you.

Maybe you can start cleaning and repairing from time to time?

It means that people are so poor and beaten down by a shitty life, such things doesn't bother them anymore. They are pretty much dead walking husk at this point. Just a natural desire to live anchors them to that planet.

let US be somewhere as far as possible from our continent and it will be perfectly fine

Can't change the past m8, can only build a better future for all.

Like I said, radical corporatism is good for economy, as in GDP. but it harms people nearly as much as communism. In recent history russia starved 2 times when communists first took power and when (((western advisors))) "helped" us transition to capitalism. Second was nearly as bad and high oil prices and competent leadership under Putin allowed us to stem the tide, but people froget that in the 1999 everyone in the (((west))) thought russia is about to collapse and fracture and were totally cheering Yeltsin for it.

To give you a more grounded in reality example of why capitalism is bad lets look at MSM. They are so big that in a large capitalist nation they will either be controlled by megacorps or the state. Brits picked the state US picked the corps. CNN and FOX are laughingstock, while BBC, and even RT are seen as credible news orgs.

This sort of thing is all over, I believe that putin's approach to balance between the two is very sound one. Natural resources, Healthcare, Education, public transport and telecommunication should never fall into hands of (((private))) interests.

Or they are just lazy.

>2nd world nation
Not 2nd but 3d because China>Russia
It's if we're talking about military
Because in everything else Russia is actually on Romania-tier

And btw Russian army is only soviet merit when Chinese did it themselves

>It means that people are so poor and beaten down by a shitty life, such things doesn't bother them anymore

Lel. Not again, Not this one! Not the dumbest excuse ever created which I'm listening whole 25 years of my miserable life!

Most of the ex-commie people are PIGS man. It is mentality of a subhuman who only waits and whine. Deal with it and move forward.

>To give you a more grounded in reality example of why capitalism is bad lets look at corporatism
I don't think you know what the words you're using mean.

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>Not 2nd but 3d because China>Russia
I disagree actually. I think our military is better than the Chinese one. While they have a lot more money to give out and they might be able to field more man, we simply have more experience and a more robust doctrine. Especially when it comes to modern hybrid warfare. Tho I think they have us at the cyber arena, tho it's always hard to judge things there.

I do in fact know what they mean. Corporatism is nothing but a radical form of Capitalism I outlined my reasoning for why this is the case, feel free to present a counter argument. And no I don't mean to say capitalsim is bad, as stated above either doctrine when not mixed with the other becomes poison. For example I'm all for small press outlets runing against the MSM narrative, I'd advise you check out Echo of Moskow if you want a russian anti government outlet for example.

Who is this guy, other than some guy who isn't going to be President?

He is a left wing nazi if you will. Russian politics atm are quite bizzare. He did something unacceptable and made his meager base abandon him. He suggested we give Crimea back to Ukraine. Polls went from low support to flat line in a heartbeat. Was quite an amusing moment.

Radical capitalism is anarchy. Corporatism requires the government to have power in some form so that there is a reason for an exchange of money to occur between the corporations and state. In anarchy, the state does not exist. What you're talking about is something inherently left leaning (at least somewhat) as it cannot occur without the state having power.

>He suggested we give Crimea back to Ukraine.
He did? I thought he said that "Crimea is not a sandwich so it shouldn't be passed around".

A TOTAL FUCKING KEK

Wow...even I wouldn't have said that.

And my grasp of Russian society and culture is pretty minimal.

I understand your point, but disagree somewhat - you are saying that lacking central authority corportaions won't form one to police themselves. You are assuming that if there is no government there will be no monopoly on violence, which is simply untrue. Whilst imprecise I'd say that 90's russia is a great argument to the contrary. First gov lost all power, than lost monopoly on violence, than chaos, than regional monopolies on violence formed with government serving the role of corporate consul of sorts where they all came to divide their loot.

Human instinct is to group up but also compete, megacorps are just a vulgar excercise of this instinct in the modern age, there is no reason to assume that an ancap society will stay ancap for long before becoming a plutocracy or corporotocracy or some other form of money equals power afffair, tho probably with much much less central authority than normal government, more like corporate court to resolve disputes with minimal damage to profits.


Pretty sure he did and then backpedalled, which made it only more amusing. Pandering to the crowd sometimes backfires.

Don't listen to that shill. Navalny is a man who fights with corruption in Russia and doing it pretty ell. And actually he's a Russian patriot who only wants Russia to be democrative country.

The definition of "corporatism" is "the control of a state or organization by large interest groups."

If there is no state, corporatism cannot exist.
Anarchy is the furthest reach of the right wing. Therefore, corporatism is not what you claim it is.

Damn, my guy putin shitting on cucks

youtube.com/watch?v=hhkRQUtD_Jo

It's lying Putinbot, they are very active last two weeks since Navalny investigation of Medvedev's corruption makes 10 million views on youtube. He don't want to return Crimea, he want another referendum without "polite people" in uniform and with international observals to stop talks about Russian "occupation".

Feel free to dispute anything and everything I said. And no matter how much you like navalniy, he is simply not getting any power, get over it.


I'm not claiming corporatism to be the most radical form of capitalism, only the most radical stable form, as I said, I agree with you that most radical form is ancap - anarchocapitalism, I just don't see at as a system with any stability or longevity, and to the best of my knowledge there are no examples of such.

I mean you could say ukraine comes where oligarchs still wage very real war for power and the government changes hands between pro vest and pro russia oligarchs every few years, but they still do have a government so not really.

"Suggested" was the word I used, if you think that is not a suggestion I dunno what is. Tho thank you for clarification, much appreciated. If you think you can elected in russia while offering up a possibility of losing territory to our revanchist population, have fun trying.

DESU I couldn't care less about Putin. I just highly doubt any other candidate will ever win.

capitalism is broken because the jews own all the assets creating a renter economy for the rest. Turn the populous into wageslaves to earn their daily bread. Instead of the people building new or creative things with actual value, they become indentured.

> only the most radical stable form
Oh, okay. Sure.

Sorry if you already said that and I completely ignored it.