Are we living in a fantasy land...

Are we living in a fantasy land? Is it even realistic to expect to find a QT who hasn't been passed around like the town bicycle?

If you go for fixer-uppers you may find virgins. They may have autism, be fat, or some other thing. Just find a girl with a combination that you are able to deal with and make her yours.

Your mom had sex before she met your father.

No. It really isn't.

No lol

That's why they had arranged marriages

And then took on lovers afterwards.

Find a slightly retarded girl. Maybe volunteer someplace that helps retarded people so you can look them over and choose one you can deal with.

fucking slut

Yes there are those but you have to remember even in the before times people cheated. They had lovers, tgey fucked lower class girls before marriage, prostitutes were as normal as porn is now. Virgins were the high class girls, but even in the past people did fuck around. Maybe not as much as these days.

Not in our part of the world, friend.

Sluttiest bitches on the planet are from down under. NZ women have average of ~20 sexual partners while the international average is ~7 if I remember correctly, Australia is similar I'll bet -- disgusting tbqh familia

you fool, if women are sluts, find a girl before she becomes a woman (slut).

Yes you can, if can go looking into extremely religious communities.
>inb4 "Sadly i'm an atheist"
You coukd still manage

Nah, if anything people fucked each other much more than they do now.

im afraid of getting herpes or hpv, should be able lo see std's, so I've read
plus pill works if you are in shape, fuck that where is my lolidill
shiieeett probably got herpes sucking my moms tities

get 14 year old and marry her.

Not really surprising, kind of gross though. What kind of person would go out with a girl that's been with that many guys.

Doesn't seem likely. Maybe basically rape. But with the internet you can find people to have sex with easier than ever

Any girl past age 5 will have already humped her pillow or the arm of a couch/chair.

There are girls like that, but the odds are so low you have to really honestly evaluate yourself compared to all other men your age and consider if you're really special enough to be one of the lucky few. Most people here probably aren't.

She actually didn't. Pure women exist and it's not unrealistic to find one. You're just not looking in the right places.

My wife was a virgin until we'd been dating for a little over a year. She's a QT who is fairly intelligent, keep our house spotless, and is into most of the same stuff as me (classical music, thrash metal, prog rock, tabletop games, video games). The downside is that she has crippling social anxiety and can't handle shopping or talking on the phone without me there to keep her calm, and she's a mediocre chef.

Wish I could find a cute busty girl to love forever desu.

They are fat and ugly. Ni e job leaving that part out.

If you find a qt thats worth holding on to forget about how many guys had her before

No they didn't we have the statistics on this. Stop trying to gaslight history, user.

>inb4 T-they just kept it hidden back then
Older studies either draw from the data provided by Dr. Alfred C. Kinsey, or use data that was influenced by his methodology. Kinsey oversampled sexual abuse victims, homosexuals and convicted sex criminals (all far more promiscuous than average), relied solely on volunteers (a later Stanford study found volunteers to be ~2-4 times more promiscuous than non-volunteers), and so loosely defined groups like "married woman" that it included prostitutes living with their pimps.

CDC data suggests that ~20% of U.S. women ages 18-22 are virgins.

Honestly though, user, take it from me, you REALLY have to put yourself out there to find women like that. I live in a smaller city with an evangelical tilt and it's dismal here. My only advice for you, and I'll admit to being unsuccessful thus far, put yourself in situations where non-whores might hang out, and don't waste time dealing with non-virgins that you kind of like.

Yes they did. That's where the whole "I could be dead tomorrow!" pickup line came from.

>Happily accepting Chad's leftovers
Maybe asian men really are beta

Sexual attraction is completely contrived by evolution. We treat members of the opposite sex completely differently than other humans if we view them as a potential partner, even if we know well never get with them.

I think I would have a good chance desu

She doesn't have to be a virgin, anywhere from 0-2 is ok. Maybe 3

>worth holding onto
>had other guys

The amount of men a woman has slept with is predictive of their likelihood to cheat, divorce, report marital instability, marital unhappiness and depression.

Everything we currently know about the relationship between sex and neurochemicals in the process of pair-bonding would suggest that women literally form stronger relationships when they're not whores.

Why should anyone be happy to allow themselves to be cheated out of intimacy and a properly strong relationship so that they can have the privilege of marrying used goods? Why incur more risk for less reward? Especially when U.S. family courts are structured in their current form (Advantages given to women, overwhelmingly likely to be awarded custody, alimony/child support, 69% of divorces being initiated by women with the highest cited reason being 'dissatisfaction' etc.)

Great argument user.

If that's what works for you, then fine. I will not date non-virgins at all, though. I'd honestly rather die alone.

Sexual attraction is completely contrived by evolution. We treat members of the opposite sex completely differently than other humans if we view them as a potential partner, even if we know well never get with them.

Girls who have sex with 1 or 2 of their past boyfriends arent whores. Would you consider them unworthy? Have you ever had sex?

Yes, you are living in fantasy land if you expect a normal woman to be a virgin

If you actually think so, then I would say yes you could find someone, but that depends on whether or not you're actually a good person.

You really should have higher standards and only settle for a virgin. My advice is to focus on your own life, develop a strong character through positive works and actually enriching experiences, just things to help you develop into a more mature man so that you have the type of character that attracts a good woman naturally. Don't try to force meetings with women, don't seek them out, just live your life and see who you meet naturally I swear it'll be so much better that way.

Autistic girls get used like a basement dwellers hand.
t. knew three and all of them could suck a golfball through a garden hose.

How are these chicks getting passed around like a bicycle if you are all faggots?

>Girls who have sex with 1 or 2 of their past boyfriends arent whores.

Maybe not whores in the literal sense, but they've still made a poor decision resulting in them being worse off for a relationship and I wouldn't be able to avoid resenting them for it. So no, I wouldn't consider them at all.

>Have you ever had sex?
Nope. Stuck with a single gf through High School, she was the "wait until marriage" type but I was happy enough with her to overlook that. We broke up about a year after graduation. Since then I've come across statistics and studies that suggest waiting until marriage makes for a better relationship on both counts. I've seen two nasty cases of divorce up close, and I'd rather not end up the same way, so I'm trying to minimize the odds of that happening.

Town bicycle cant be used by just anyone.

People who wait til marriage are christian or some other religion and therefore more unlikely to divorce despite having a poor relationship. There's nothing wrong with waiting til marriage and theres nothing wrong with having sex with someone you love but dont end up marrying. Unless you do that over and over and cant seem to find a stable relationship.

Depends on how old you are.

That's you westerners' problem. Here you find many unopened boxes.

You need to become muslim.
Sadly they are the only ones today that practice marrying virgines.

Actually, insofar as we can measure poor relationships (Self-reporting of marital stability and happiness, & depression in a general sense) we've seen that those are far more common in people that have had multiple partners.

More so, though, there's the fact that higher partner count is predictive of cheating/adultery.

Then there are the studies which, even when controlling for things like religiosity, find that relationships are better when sex is postponed.

Either way, for women especially, losing one's virginity is one of the most intimate experiences they can share with someone. I'm not going to be cheated out of that, just so that I can marry someone who's going to be a worse partner. Like I mentioned before, there's no way I wouldn't hold that against them. At this point, I'll either find a decent girl or stay single.

don't lock yourself into the tits-jew forever user; I pretty much exclusively fap to big-titted women, but I met an amazing gf last summer and she's short, cute, white (!!), and basically flat. I, too, thought that I would end up with a busty wench one day, but this pettanko is everything I could want and more.

Convert a qt lesbian. I did a cpl years back and she was the white whale - a fucking squirter. Greatest sex ever fampais.

This. I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

I'm pretty good looking and overall a good person (I think). I don't have any hidden motives or a hidden personality, just genuinely caring and nice (not "nice guy" nice) and somewhat simple as a person. My biggest flaw is not really having a career, I have studied and still am but still working on the job in my field part. I'm ok with waiting 2-3 years or so if that's how long it takes to find the right girl.

Virgin or one or two guys (provided they were serious relationships) doesn't really make much difference for me. I see that as fairly normal and not a red flag.

Not a white one.

>Self-reporting
I wouldnt exactly trust that. Either way, while i can see how most of the girls and guys who lose their virginity in high school sort of throw it away, and how this can set up future failures, there are lots of people who don't waste it, and don't end up marrying their virginity taker. Sex is normal and a fumdemental part of romantic relationships, and not everyone wants or should expect to fall in love only once. Virginity is overrated, thr first time you have sex with someone you love its not going through your head that they fucked beforre.

So the data from Masters & Johnson is compromised as well?

>I wouldn't exactly trust that.
I take it with a grain of salt, but there's so much other evidence that non-virgins make for worse wives, that I find plenty of reasons regardless and see some credibility in it.

Sex might be normal, but again, I honestly couldn't help but resent a partner of mine that had slept with other people. I did start seeing this one girl a few months back. We clicked well enough, I liked her, but I found out she wasn't a virgin. I legitimately tried to ignore it and look past it, but it just wasn't happening, so I broke things off.

Definitely realistic. I know a couple (like, 5) of virgin girls that are 22-25(sic!) and they really are cute. They are share one thing - overly religious family. By overly religious I mean paying priests stuff and believe they'll go to heaven for that, but still - they managed to keep their daughters from degeneracy, which I admire very much.

My general rule of thumb is to heavily scrutinize data from before 1970. Late 40s-60s is when Kinsey had his heyday as a popularizer of "sexology." It seems like things get a little more realistic after that time period (Things like the Terman study are taken into account, marriage is more strictly defined, the highly promiscuous aren't oversampled, etc.)

It's not like handsome good guys are exactly common either.

Australia isn't Poland, Polishbro

Degeneracy is ingrained here

The difference is that virginity used to be considered the absolute-bare minimum requirement for marriage just half a century or so ago.

Girls love to lie through omission of truth. In your case it would be something like: I've sucked twenty billion cocks but nothing's penetrated my vagina so I'm a virgin, teehee~

And yes, I've seen girls think this

Oh, I thought "fantasy land" referred to the world or something, not Australia only. Nevermind, I've never been in your country anyway.

Ah, thank you for that heads up. I do feel that mass media has made the loss of virginity a rite of passage when, in my opinion, it should be a rite of marriage.

i believe that there is something sacred about sex and, as such, it should be shared with someone who is willing to commit to you.

Handsome good guy checking in

Well to an extent. I guess more Australia, USA etc.

Religious girls whore it up like no tomorrow once the reigns are free.

The last single "pure" girl I knew of was on psyche meds and wouldn't let a guy get close to her at all

I don't think it's the case, at least not with all of them. Of course, they might all secretly suck dicks for pleasure, but still, two of them I know since early childhood and I'll be really astonished to discover such things about them.

But generally, yes, I definitely agree with your statement.

Okay I'm a qt virgin, we can get married now.

Should have found a wife in school. Met my wife when i was 16, married 10 years ago, 3 children
feels good

>0+2017
>not making your mum find you a pure qt

They are either:
1. ass-ugly
2. severely autistic
3. 100% controlled by their fathers (meaning no freedom for you)

Stop falling for the vagina worship meme, leaf.

Yeah, that's what I said, in case of girls I know it's always 3. The point is you can often steal this control over them from the father.

Pray tell what are we to do? Marry some used goods whore that's worse off for marriage?

>I'm concerned with the future of my race but I'm going to breed with a retard
:^)

No, they out-dated Christian values.

There's about 100 guys in each city named "Chad" who fuck all day 24/7.

none of this is reel

"I fucked a dozen guys but I never actually loved any of them so I'm still a virgin" -thots in current year

How about being a Chad and not falling for the marriage meme?

Because I'd like to get married and have kids. If I can't find a proper woman, I'm not doing that, though.

>tfw you realize arrange marriages are redpilled
>yet another based muslim thing

I'm beginning to think maybe we're on the wrong side.

If you become a Chad, women will be more or less faithful to you (not many men who can compare).

But if you're looking for a woman to settle with, either make peace with the big chance she will cheat on you or give up on any form of fun and happiness.

just go to korea or japan and get a korean/japanese waifu

Just do the second one a couple of times then... that's my plan.

No just get them pregnant and pay for it. All they want is a kid anyway.

Isn't it possible to be a niche Chad?

I'd prefer to stay within my own race, but if nothing else works, I might try Japan out. I'm not really a weeb, nor do I like anime, but I've always found Jap girls to be kinda cute. Plus, apparently they're statistically far less likely to be promiscuous.

>he doesn't know you'll end up a genetic cuck
You should see that info about how women carry the genes of former partners.

I found a virgin after 10 years of looking. It was fun but she basically gave me her virginity out of pitty.

Meant pretty much nothing because she found 10 guys within the next year to fill her up.