Why is solar energy seen as more environmentally friendly than nuclear?

youtu.be/emBY6phmn9E

csmonitor.com/Environment/Inhabit/2017/0314/Why-solar-panels-bloom-in-Southwest-s-land-of-hydropower?cmpid=TW

I assume mining and refining the ingredients for the panel isn't exactly environmentally friendly either.

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_mirror
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scientificamerican.com/article/coal-ash-is-more-radioactive-than-nuclear-waste/
phys.org/news/2015-09-radioactive-contaminants-coal-ash.html
youtu.be/P9M__yYbsZ4
uk.businessinsider.com/france-digital-minister-axelle-lemaire-explains-the-logic-behind-the-new-french-tech-visa-2017-1
ecowatch.com/worlds-first-24-7-solar-power-plant-powers-75-000-homes-1891177555.html
youtube.com/watch?v=PiZHNw1MtzI
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molten_salt_reactor
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pebble-bed_reactor
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popularmechanics.com/science/energy/a24050/nuclear-waste-diamond-batteries/
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Because nuclear waste has the potential to contaminate, solar has zero waste.

it technically is nuclear

>California solar power plants ignite birds mid-flight

>zero waste
Yes, the panels are made out of rainbow farts not stupidly toxic heavy metals.

Republicans don't care about either because they want fossil fuels.

Democrats have been infested by anti-nuclear environmentalist groups, so they have to support solar by process of elimination.

Yes, the production of solar panels is not environmentally friendly, especially considering how often they have to be replaced even for a static system.

>I assume mining and refining the ingredients for the panel isn't exactly environmentally friendly either.

no but it is better than disposing of nuclear waste or worse nuclear meltdown and fallout.

Elaborate please

Coal is safer than nuclear and cleaner than solar.

Nobody ever got cancer from coal power.

What needs elaboration? Manufacturing solar panels produces all sorts of horrendously toxic byproducts.

Wtf I hate nuclear now
Looks like it's better to huff coal debris instead

Recent popular solar panels use cadmium telluride, toxic heavy metals with energy intensive refining which has toxic runoff. There's always a tradeoff with these technologies.

the batteries and panels are made with toxic shit as well, which eventually are a problem themselves. Also they have to be mined same as uranium.

Like now we have a ton of Mercury light bulbs tossed away improperly and causing damage because enviros couldnt wait until LED came out, instead they made the govt subsidize Mercury containing bulbs

Wrong.

>I hate nuclear
As you should. God will not forgive us for treading into His domain.

Most people don't see the hidden costs of solar over the cell lifetime. One cost people tend to miss is the cost per BTU produced. In the US the solar industry employees 374000 people whereas fossil fuel electrical generation only employees 187000. If you look at pic related you have more people driving to work sites/offices, burning energy either driving or using office facilities, for a very small energy payout.

I do still think that nuclear is more dangerous due to the risk of large scale accidents. I had one a few miles from where I lived, and it's still being decomissioned after nearly 20 years. There were plenty of safety infractions on site which were kept private at the time, so I'm a little biased.

Apparently Ahmed never heard of the Great Fog of London.

Also these are not solar panels, they are:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_mirror

They are not made with rare earth minerals.

The coal dust contains delicious thorium :D

It's all a ruse to keep us on oil/coal

Cool. Hot.

forgot pic.

isn't it thermal energy?

hexavalent chromium

>be environmentalist green faggot
>build death rays and 200 foot rotating saws to kill all the wildlife in a region instead of nuclear plants.

really makes me think!

wtf I live in the yellow area

Solar is fucking gay. I live in Las Vegas, and the greenies are always bitching to close down miles off OHV trails for us off roaders because they "destroy the environment" and "disrupt the habitat of desert toirtoises" despite it just being some dirt roads in the middle of the fucking desert. Yet if someone decides to bulldoze hundreds of acres of desert, throw a fence around it, and fill it with solar panels they praise it as the greatest thing ever. Solar is shit.

>Nobody ever got cancer from coal power.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Have you ever had a Geiger counter? Put it near coal or any stone in that matter. You will get a significant amount of ticks. The Coal used in Coal Plants actually has trace amounts of uranium which get out into the environment and actually do cause cases of cancer. INFACT they produce more radiation than nuclear power plants because they don't have to legally deal with as much of the waste as a Nuclear power plant.

I work in a Coal power producer and they have a radioactive division that ensures that the amount of radioactive material the release is within legal limits.

Here are some sources:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioactive_waste#Coal

scientificamerican.com/article/coal-ash-is-more-radioactive-than-nuclear-waste/

phys.org/news/2015-09-radioactive-contaminants-coal-ash.html

I was just thinking all that reflecting light would be a waste for solar panels. Either way, thin film deposition of silver or aluminum also has undesirable byproducts. Energy is a dirty business but we need it

>Reply
There is no such thing as environmentally friendly brother.
Everything needs resources, at some point a machine made said resource. That machine uses grease, fuel, electricity, and chemicals.
Eventually one of those will not be with a renewable resource.

>Nobody ever got cancer from coal power.

Tell that to those miners with blacklung, user.
Coal is not safe, it is not as clean, and nuclear is WAY more efficient.

> that map
yea remember when the entire west coast received a lethal dose of radiation?

What's your position on the liquid salt reactors?

Which site, my man?

That bias tends to lead to irrational fear, so be mindful. Say you lived in West Virginia or Tennessee and the coal plant blows up. 70 or so miners are killed directly and there's a shit ton of coal ash thrown up into the atmosphere that you breathe. That shit is radioactive and fucks up the lungs of all the people that live in the surrounding area. The only reason you don't live in fear of that sort of nuclear accident is because the government doesn't classify "natural" radioactive material or debris in the same way it does for nuclear plants here in the states.

>Nobody ever got cancer from coal power.

>As you should. God will not forgive us for treading into His domain.

If your sky-lord didn't want us fucking around with atomic particles he shouldn't have made us smart enough to learn how. That's his deal, HE messed up somewhere, not us.

because all type of "green" energy is "feel gewd" energy, manufacture a tesla is more bad for enviroment than a regular car, you have to drive like non stop for 5years in a tesla for it to become eco friendly.

>I assume mining and refining the ingredients for the panel isn't exactly environmentally friendly either.
it will be once solar is used to mine them.

now fuck off kike.

They're great. Especially Thorium ones.

I hope you're just pretending to be retarded.

How did you know I was a Jew?

I don't know enough about them to really have a stance on them. One thing I can say is we are going to have to wait until people actually seriously start trying to build one until we can see if they are better than the conventional boiling water reactor.

This is now a Thorium Thread.

youtu.be/P9M__yYbsZ4

Because theyre stupid.

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Ever hear about a solar reactor poisoning the world oceans?
> me neither
Ask yourself the same question about nuclear.

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God does not make mistakes, heathen.

he made you.

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I think this is by far the coolest thing I've ever read about solar power plants.

>Nobody ever got cancer from coal power.
The sad part is people are not even pretending to be retarded. Most leftist are genuinely retarded like this.

Solar also provides shit amounts of energy, doesn't work at night, and costs a fuckton.

Nyclear isn't a problem if you're not lazy and retarded, which is why there have been less nuclear related health issues than coal, oil, and natural gas. Now if we actually put the money into developing thorium then the waste also becomes negligible. So really solar is garbage and green energy is literally a scam.

Ever wondered where all the steel/aluminium/copper comes from to make those panels?

> open pit mines.

Ever wondered how they smelt iron ore/bauxite and copper ore into usable material?

> Coal.

Turns out that the oil used in mining the coal and the ores, plus transporting, processing and burning the coal to extract extract the minerals from the ore, then melt them into ingots, then transport the ingots, then melt the ingots to mould or forge into solar panels and their associated parts (stands, cables, wires) uses more energy than you will ever get out of a solar panel in its lifetime.

You're literally better off just burning the fossil fuels to produce energy directly that we can use.

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>coal is safer than nuclear

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Because the masses are stupid and associate "nuclear" with explosions and fallout. Same reason NMRI was shortened to MRI in hospitals but not chemistry and physics departments (where people, generally, aren't stupid).

Yes, elaborate on those rainbow farts. How DO they smell?

why is it my problem that birds are fucking retarded?

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>I assume mining and refining the ingredients for the panel isn't exactly environmentally friendly either.

Neither is mining and refining uranium.

Also, the things in your picture are just mirrors.
Only some steel and glass needed.

It isn't. Solar power and wind power as primary means of power generation is a fucking meme. Nuclear power, even ooh so scary fission generators that we have now is FAR MORE efficient than literally EVERYTHING ELSE. If you consider the economic implications and the ways these glorified windmills and pavements are manufactured, nuclear power even has them beat in environmental friendliness and human rights, because guess what? You can't outsource the production of nuclear power to poor third world nations and you will never need so many of them that you need to make an INDUSTRY out of their production, which means, wait for it, GIANT POLLUTING FACTORIES THAT HIRE UNDERPAID THIRD WORLD LABOURERS!

WHY. IS THE WORLD. SO NUCLEAR-PHOBIC?!

>why is x considered to be this/that

brainwashing

>uses more energy than you will ever get out of a solar panel in its lifetime.

If that were true they would also cost way more than they could produce their lifetime.

Because it provides an agenda. And yes that is the only reason politicians push for this.

You think the free market wouldn't handle it if solar became cheaper and more efficient? Things like a cheap solar roof which provides over 100% power for one house+car, you think people wouldn't take that if it means a large cut in expenditures?

They need to stop fucking with everything, like banning solar panels from China because they're cheaper.

>FAR MORE efficient than literally EVERYTHING ELSE.

Then why is it more expensive?

This man gets it. It blows my mind that thorium isn't announced for all new reactors.

Yeah, coal never killed anyone...

Sup Forums is retarded.

Not mirrors.

You're retarded.

> doesn't work at night,
Wrong, some plants work 24 hr.

the only reason it has not is (((They))) cant make as much money off of it because it 1. Can be downsized so that every neighborhood can have one, 2. has plentiful cheap abundant fuel. 3. Would produce nearly free limitless energy. (((They))) do not want this as it would empower humanity against them. (((They))) already have a monopoly on energy production and it makes (((Them))) fucktons of money so why change it?

>I was just thinking all that reflecting light would be a waste for solar panels
It is, now. It was tried in the past when solar cells were expensive. Now, solar cells are dirt cheap, the expensive part is everything else (mounting, inverters, general site work)

Because you are hiring ARMIES of professional scientists to do even the most basic of tasks in a nuclear plant. Not because the tasks themselves are complicated but because only a trained physicist would have the necessary knowledge to understand the environment/context they're working in. Not that you would understand, since you seem entirely happy to literally ship in thousands of high-skilled workers from third-world countries.

uk.businessinsider.com/france-digital-minister-axelle-lemaire-explains-the-logic-behind-the-new-french-tech-visa-2017-1

Step 1: Have a population with the vast majority being scientifically illiterate.
Step 2: You're done.

When they think nuclear power, they think the Ford Pinto of energy production. People think that nuclear technology has been stationary for 80 years, like "Good job guys! We've invented nuclear energy. Lets never research this further". Solar and wind energy are much more "relatable" and easier to understand for Mr and Ms. Dumbfuck. The average typical green party voting whole foods vegan "save the environment" type of person has no actual clue what the fuck benefits the environment, because they are not able to see past the windmill, solar panel, or nuclear power plant themselves. The windmills and solar panels use renewable energy sources, nuclear does not and produces radioactive waste, therefore solar and wind are superior.

It's this level of stupidity we're up against, and it's no fucking surprise, that it's the left wing pushing the anti-nuclear agenda the hardest. The absolutely fascinating aspect of that, is that socialists picked up environmentalist politics because it's an easy "weak point" in the current state-capitalistic society (mind you that in opposite world where socialism won the cold war, capitalists are the ones with these environmentalist policies. The environment is a political tool, nothing else), and fucking yet, they absolutely REFUSE to accept that modern nuclear technology is clean and safe as fuck, and is the only viable solution to CO2 pollution. Really makes you think.

Pic related is me. I'm an electrical engineer with a Msc in sustainable energy systems, and every morning I wake up to a society, where global leaders meet once a year to discuss how their futile minimum-effort feel-good wind and solar projects are still keeping them elected, while caffé latte sipping millennials buy into the meme.

Regulation, and using an extremely outdated reactor design prone to meltdown.

Death rates for watts produced: nuclear, oil, and coal.

>thinks solar works at night
>calls others retarded

American fission plants are quite safe and stable.

>"streamers"

I was hoping for a video of the actual smoke plumes.

Because I'm right.
ecowatch.com/worlds-first-24-7-solar-power-plant-powers-75-000-homes-1891177555.html

Also read this fucking graph. I'm not sure why I'm wasting my time replying to you, because this is basic shit. Look at how much investment goes into solar and wind power compared to Nuclear and how much power they can generate per single project and tell me that that it's worth. This is not even accounting for the fact that nuclear power is still so rare that there's still enough prestige attached to them that the wage you have to pay its operators are probably slightly inflated. Not that you should be trying to cut their wage too much as a matter of course, but if they are more widely adopted, you can bet your slimy froggy ass that their average wage will go down along with the operational cost.

But apparently all these extremely obvious facts are just way too complicated for you. Whatever, see if I care. I shouldn't even have humoured you with a reply, let alone two, so this is all you're going to get.

Seriously, LOOK AT THIS FUCKING GRAPH.

Um, no sweetie, (((they))) don't bother with it because there's little R&D in nuclear thanks to environmentalists are retarded and control energy policy.

this is now a rekt thread

i know your pain annon

The green parties are a very loud vocal minority who do nothing but shout at others about how green they are. Fucking piece of shit zealots that eat any shit up they see on tv. Get some famous scientist and you could tell they sniffing their farts would reduce the amount of green house gasses in the atmosphere and they would do it.

we had a solar panel farm pop up here. and this is not the mid west. I swear it's 5 miles up the road. toms of panels. shits crazy.

but who made who? tehe

youtube.com/watch?v=PiZHNw1MtzI

I know there's been lots of research and new designs, but there's a ton of resistance to actually use them on the grid. Like these 2, they are nice designs but I don't think you can get them approved to build a plant. Companies would rather not take the risk of investing in something so unknown, especially w/ all the regulations.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molten_salt_reactor
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pebble-bed_reactor

this is probably the best way i've ever seen the truth put to worfds. nice one denmark

the worst thing about renewable energy is that with further investments and research, for example in the field of energy storage and alternative materials for solar cells, it may even work as intended. but instead they chose to implement their broken ideas already on global scale

>hot salts
Get this:
Solar cells have 50% efficiency (more like 40 - 48%, but I'm generous). Half is lost as heat, a fraction of which goes into warming up salt, which in turn delivers the a fraction of the same heat back as energy.´

Just assuming 50% efficiency across all stages of energy conversions (which again is really fucking generous), you're getting 1/4 the power that went into the solar panels. Your 110 Megawatt system turns into something like 20 - 30 MW at night (assuming it the salt is at a constant high temperature, which they won't be), at best. Compare that to a 3000 MW 24/7 nuclear power plant.

Nuclear Engineer: Fukushima is “worst industrial cataclysm in history of world… As close to hell as I can imagine” — Melted fuel ‘disappeared’ — Contamination will go on for hundreds of thousands of years… “No one knows when it’ll end” — Gov’t perpetrating ongoing cover-up

re ddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/5zjhk6/nuclear_engineer_fukushima_is_worst_industrial/

Nuclear power is disgusting.

It doesn't use solar panels, it uses mirrors to concentrate sunlight. It can easily be 80% efficient to heat, then 40% efficient back to electricity (depends on your turbine and coolant available). So maybe 35% efficiency total.

>Solar cells have 50% efficiency
No, that's lab efficiency achieved, nothing you would use on a big project.

You're clearly bullshitting here.

We should just boil down what you wrote to a two sentence mantra and start chanting them busy intersections in our cities. When people ask why we're acting like crazy end times prophet hobos, we'll tell them the full message.

Solar panels right now is like a jewish trick, a scam to have people switch from coal/ nuclear/ oil . The leftist want to implement "green technology " to destroy americas infrastructure. Maybe in the future when more research has been done to make solar panels cheaper and use less dangerous materials, then we could probably have solar power. Fusion power would probably be the best form of energy, who knows how long that would take to be invented.

Look up clean coal power you nigger.

Mining the minerals (cadmium and tellurium) needed ends up strip mining and creating a similar amount of environmental destruction as the oil sands
Processing and Manufacturing the panels creates tons of toxic chemicals
Then you have maintenance required costs which requires potentially more of the above
And you have to replace them every now and then because believe it or not, having panels in areas with wind/particles in the atmosphere etc. damages them
Which means go through the first two again
Its expensive as fuck

Nevermind
>it takes up a ton of space - arguably more than coal/oil/natural gas/hydroelectric/nuclear
>its not efficient enough to meet needs
>batteries aren't sufficient enough advanced
>solar mirrors require heat engines/generators in order to convert thermodynamic energy to mechanical to electrical
>all of which cost significant amounts of money, have varying efficiency, require cooling, and maintenance frequently

God forbid they use Gallium Arsenide which is used for high efficiency cells.

No nuclear plant has ever made a profit.

Simple leaf doesn't understand that most radioactive waste is a meme. The good stuff can be recycled into more fuel, and the actual waste (minus the container that holds it) is very small.

popularmechanics.com/science/energy/a24050/nuclear-waste-diamond-batteries/