Why don't Spain, Portugal and Andorra become a single country?

Why don't Spain, Portugal and Andorra become a single country?

You tell me

Spain is already breaking apart, It wouldn't work. Everyone here is a special snowflake that hates everyone surrounding him.

No we are not. The media tells you this so we break apart but even in Catalonia hardly 50% of the population wants independence if not less. If only we talked to each other instead of believing what ABC, el mundo and el pais tell us

Iberian Union when? Fuck Germany

>hardly 50%

Kek.

Finally i can use this pepe :D

It is tho. Why do you think they havent taken the referendum yet? They have said many times they dont care about the illegality of it but still dont take it because they want to polarize the population until theres more than a 50% supporting it, and after years they havent managed yet

Why Australia, UK, NZ and Canada pretend they are independant countries even if it's not true?

'Murican puppets?

No, the fact that they are the same fucking country : They are rulled by one leader with the exact same politics.

Because they don't want to.

For better or for worse Australia, Canada and New Zealand still retain some 'European values' from years of being British colonies. And we keep our ties to the monarchy because it's part of our culture and because right now our monarch is a nice little old lady who wears funny hats.

Dont forget the corgi

I don't think Spain would like it. Portugal created Brazil.

You are "independant" only for management reason.
Otherwise you are all the same bongs. I saw no difference when i went to Australia compared to UK : Same institutions, way of life, etc.
It's even written on your passeport that you are the same.

I'd say Australia is more similar to the UK in a lot of ways than Canada is.

Spain is made up of several countries already.
Andorra enjoys being itself.
Why the fuck would Portugal join Spain? They don't even speak the same language.

What could be gained by joining together?

omelette du fromage

BECAUSE OF JEWS AND RACEMIXING

>Jews to blame for different countries not being one country

The moment someone types the word "Jew" into Sup Forums my IQ goes down by 20 points.

How is life with a negative IQ?

Maybe I started at a really high point? R..right?

Y-Yeah...

You are browsing Sup Forums. You didnt

its a meme, theres no majority for independence

Voters from rural areas count more, that why theres so many independet representation.
The political situation in catalonia is so sad, they are try harding like 20 years or so to mantain catalonia under control by the pro independence movment and the result is horrible, this tripartitos goverments are killing catalonia.

Also they pushed for arab inmigrants thinking that they would vote for independence, this people are delusional

are you an autist?

Language, and the fact that every single industry and social movement is fiercely competing for the state budget, catalonian independentists just want a bigger slice, same as every other group big enough to apply preasure. Who would want to join such a shitshow

Our parliament just failed to outlaw the portuary monopolies, motherfuckers are just mobsters:

- lifelong job
- 30h week
- upwards of 70k a year
- you can either sell your spot or give it to your relatives (it's the only way people can get in)
- outright outlawed competition

And there are absolutely no recognisable libertarian-ish parties/personalities/movements around. I don't want to be a defeatist, because we're a long shot from hitting rock bottom, but people seem to be unwilling to strive for anything other than subsistance-tier interventionism

This. Spanish bussinesmen and politicians have such a mobster mentality its ridiculous. But no one does anything to fix it, they just keep playing us like fiddles

As a Catalan, Catalan independentists are just brainwashed and pressured socially.

They literally have 0 good arguments

Anybody that looks at the numbers will see that if we break off we will be poorer, less free, less relevant in the global arena and more corrupt

UPyD was quite libertarian from their starting manifestos. Shame it became a personality cult and it imploded

People who work in journalism are from the same political ideology that lacks ambition or skill to do anything else

Why people still believe anything an editor, anchor, or "senior political analyst" says is beyond me, especially since skepticism is so popular against religion

Exactly, we are at a point in history where we trust more a newspaper than the actual source. Its fucking ridiculous. With smartphones actual discussions have been relegated by shitposting

Because Iberia has different nations inside.
We are family, but we have different language, etc.

Simply put, we are colonies and most haven't existed as nations for 200 years and have ruled themselves for even less.

200 years ago France was rife with terrorists and socialists. Not much changes.

We shold behave like a family tho. The enemity is stronk between us for historical reasons but I think its time to overcome them. Bacalhao and paella can conquer the world

Afaik 70% of Portuguese voted for integration with Spain into a country or "country of countries" like the UK. They are poor as fuck though so if we start making the money flow their way it might strain our economy

It was frustrating to watch everyone mock Rajoy for implying that independent catalonians wouldn't get 100% of what they are entitled as spaniards, most people are just wilfully ignorant at this point. The man is not a good leader, but the only european country that has gotten a real leader through a main party and then through the election is hungary; the few hungarians i've met were autistic and behaved similarly, so maybe they are exceptionally cohesive.

I heard some catalonians complain about sourtheners, is that of any relrvance though?

Source?

That will never happen, cause Portugal is a nation, but we help our euro and iberian brothers, just like we did many times.

I don't think there is any interest from the Portuguese in joining.
When we were just a county belonging to Léon it was before Spain as a country existed.
Afterwards in 1580, the Spanish King legally inherited the Portuguese Crown. The Union lasted for 60 years.
We don't even identify with 'Iberism" or something.
Yes I know about Camões' quote about Portuguese and Castillians, and that were all "spanish".

Spain can't even unite the Basques and the Catalans around Spain, how could it ever unite the Portuguese?

>Rajoy is not a good leader
Truer words were never spoken

They are different fiscally, quite far apart economically speaking when you look at them overall.

I doubt this. I work with shitloads of portuguese people and while they like spain they would never really like to join us, they have a strong national identity

>We shold behave like a family tho.
It's all your fault, you never behaved as such

Isto caralho.

Senpai the government has been screwing catalonia with the budget and the corredor del mediterraneo for years now, it's not gonna end well.

I know Joao, cant you guys forgive us?

That could actually be pretty functional, imagine a federalized iberia with a very US-like constitution. Ofc the language is a serious barrier, tge monarchy would have to be disolved (I'd myself like to keep it though) and ofc the new constitution would be forced to have even more bullshit (((rights))) than the current one... but a man can dream...

Fuck off Castillian kike.

Wikipedia

They complain about fucking everybody that isn't Catalan and all Catalans that don't have their vision of a utopia are invaders and impostors.

They literally believe that they are still the "engine" of Europe and the only reason that Catalans don't live like fucking kings is because Spain steals from them

Basically brainwashed, I'm so fucking ashamed of this movement

because the world doesn't work to your autistic sensibilities over the shape of countries.

If we want to move forwards the monarchy has to end. Its a reminiscent from past ages. Now they only get tax money and holidays in switzerland where they bang expensive prostitutes or illegal hunting trips

You. Are a shit nations,kicking out the Jews,and Moors was a mistake when you fag are so incompetent

The opposite is actually more likely to happen.
Microstates,within portugal and Spain

you know you shouldn't make these things up
Don't you have Catalonia and Galicia already wanting to split up?(sorry if I made any mistake here,I'm not very keen on the matter)

It's all water under the bridge. Every country was at war with its neighboor.
But unless you can kill and independentist movement already running in Spain, there's no point in discussing a Union.
Also if the new system isn't based on Carlism and Fascism, I'm not interested either.
And Javier, the new country would be called Iberia, it sure as fuck wouldn't be called España if there's any hope for this to work

Andorra is french clay

Why don't Catalunia, Galicia and Euskal Herria become separate countries?

Alonzo, Diego, what the fuck are you talking about. You need the fucking monarchy. How would you want to unite both countries without the symbolism of the royal family.
Trust me the Republic is a fucking cancer. Just look at our president, he's a fucking clown.
Felipe VI came here a few months ago, I almost cried. He has a very good presence and actually looks royal.

>Microstates,within portugal and Spain
Independence to Lisbon and everything South of the Tagus. I'm sick of moors and niggers

Iberia it is Frederico!! You are absolutely right tho, until we fix our problems and can stand as a united nation we cannot do shit. Couple years ago I wasnt so sure but after working with portuguese people I realized that we are actually very similar except for the language, but even that is not so much of a barrier

Btw

Fucking spanish kings are french!!! If we want an Iberian union they have to be the firsts one to go

I couldn't bring myself to even question it.
I haven't seen any completely guilty figurehead in government lately. And in the oposition the only ones who aren't just pandering are pablemos, no, they outdo their constituents when it comes to dividing people and fucking shit up.

You know how americans (and the anglosphere really) talk about orwellian governments that don't represent their people? Our does, it's just our people are inherently divided, very authoritarian, and too proud to let each other be. Our voters elect parties to realize their oppresive ideals, I resent them more than the politicians (fuck pablemos though)

lol and the mother of your king is Greek.
The Windsors are German.
Who gives a fuck? They're all inbred.
Following that logic D. Afonso is half portuguese half Austrian or something
all the royal families bread among themselves, the important is the dinisty to continue

Has a bigger nation it's was sort of their obligation to try and conquer the rest of the peninsula.
They would never call it Iberia.too proud to do that
they dub and translate everything and they won't let foreigner get in on local business.I don't even know if it's nationalism...

I know the north would be quick to want independence.
>Less niggers and moors
>GDP is way higher
>even tourism is great now
>not a fucking desert

Look up the Iberian Union, it lasted only 60 years.

Spain? Never been there
(will prob have to just for the Helloween tour in Madrid tho)

Thing is in this fucking country we vote out of spite, not considering how this "politicians" affect us. We still have the civil war stigma, it will take another major incident to change how the population thinks.
Fucking Iglesias can sweet talk a hiena out of zimbawe and convince it to be a vegetarian. I liked him in the beginning until I realized he is just another cunt politician

Spaniards are arabs feigning white identity.

Because Andorra is in Europe, and Spain is in Africa. Europe starts at the Pyrenees.

But that was only relevant before, when retarded citizens though the king was god-anointed. Monarchy is not relevant anymore

Fuck off you scottish religious refugee inbred descendant

And mexico ends in the canadian border

out of all the insults you could throw at an Amerifat, you had to go and call him white.

calmate pedro, no te pases, chico.

Yes, that was the extent of the first american empire.

>white
Because he aint... shhhh

Dont you know the histpry of your own country? moors were expelled out of south Portugal centuries ago. dont let their sacrifice be in vain.

You can insult EEUU all you want, doesn't bother me a bit.

>"we vote out of spite"
exact same thing here.Why I don't even bother following debates ,they always act like fucking children
>you did this!
>no you did!

In the last elections Socialists made a coalition with the communists(they hate each other) just out of spite

Hit a nerve, pedro?
I ain't, I'm a black muslim londoner here in the US with my partner, Arthur.

I'm sorry, your country needs to be at least 250 years old to comment on these issues.
Underage b&

Made you answer so I guess it does, just a wee bit

Explain me then sir, how the hell all spaniards and portuguese score 99-100% euro in 23&&me genetics

>being this butthurt over being called arab, which you likely are.

Damn son

Moors had 700 years of fun in the peninsula, did a lot of fucking. Your DNA is now 20% eggplant, manel

And Im a mongolian landlord on holidays.
And no you didnt hit a nerve. You insult me I insult you, action reaction

American history stretches back to the 1600s m8. The only difference from 1775 to 1777 was making it official that we would not be paying fuggin tagzes to the crown ever

>spaniards and portuguese

kek, irl you hate each other.

Come down there Sancho, I don't speak original wetback.

shut up, burger

Because they're not one people

Why doesn't Mexico, the US and Canada become one country?
Because you're different peoples

>Shitskin black Brazilian comes in to the mix

Well if you say so I will have to start hating them then. Fuck and so far I thought all the portuguese people I met were nice... damn they tricked me

Tranqui, pedro, es broma, hombre.

>burger

Day of the Diet when?

There are political and economic reasons why Canada and the US (Mexico to a lesser extent) could become a single nation though.

>spain to Portugal
JUST FFFFUCKKIN BECOME A PROVENCE ALREADY >>:*((

Shit and there I was, thinking I was speaking english

Then why do Spaniards call Porkchops, "puercos portugueses"?

> Everyone here is a special snowflake that hates everyone surrounding him.

lmao most accurate description of Spain ever. Fucking pussies think they are somehow special and will project on you like if you were the one thinking so.

What kind of mental illness causes that? Seriously, it is insufferable.

Please guys bully every spaniard you meet.