Jordan Peterson ends Sup Forums's career in two minutes

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Not everyone here is strictly a nationalist? Some of us simply feel it's possible to be exploited across borders.

>identification with the father
What the fuck? Is he making a religious statement? Hey are the Australian libertarians considered alt right?

His basic issue is with the far alt-right, the kind that aren't exactly here or rather get btfo often here. His issue is the common solve the problem if the state with the state problem, identical to the left's faux-antiauthoritarianism . Jordan hasn't been to Sup Forums. We know this.

OP learns that nationalism is leftism.

Patriotism is right.

I think here he's confusing the nation with the state.

exactly.

they want big government.

I think you're a fucking idiot

Tell me, how does one solve economic migration without border control? Ergo, how is this not one of the few problems best solved by the state?

This being said, we're still not guilty of faux anti-authoritarianism because we know that this problem is unique because it's necessarily international. Part of the problem makes it so you have to solve it with the state, nations are currently states.

Again, Jordan Peterson hasn't been to Sup Forums. If he's talking about us, rather than 8ch or stormfront, than he's doing so wrongly. I claim this Sup Forums for the lolbertarians.

I dont understand how he ruined our career, really he just backed us up, he's just telling us that we're on the right path but our mission isn't quite complete.

Am i getting the wrong message here? I feel that he's attempting to push us in the right direction.

>falling for the alt right meme

get the fuck out

>Jordan hasn't been to Sup Forums. We know this.
patently false

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why are you lying?

religious people think atheists dismiss them because we are afraid of learning some cosmic truth about christianity or some shit, when in reality atheists dismiss them because theyre retards that believe in ghost stories written by a bunch of jewish goat fuckers thousands of years ago.

zero punctuation is pure cancer
just fuck off

Because no one who has been to Sup Forums would say the things Jordan Peterson has said, or at least not the way it was said.

Jordan isn't talking about Sup Forums in the video linked, he's talking about the alt-right.

Reminder that the alt-right has been around since before Sup Forums was even a board.

Whether you like it or not if you aren't a neoliberal within our culture today you get boxed into the 'alt-right'

He specifically addressed one part of the 'alt-right' which is ethno- nationalism which is something i personally identify with.

>Whether you like it or not if you aren't a neoliberal within our culture today you get boxed into the 'alt-right'
you spend too much time online and it's blatantly clear you don't discuss politics in real life

what is the op image in reference to?

No, no he should be fairly knowledgeable that Sup Forums is regularly mistaken for other chanboards and ultimately in this case of Sup Forums Sup Forums that the alt right is mistaken for. He wouldn't have answered strictly in that way because the real ideas coming out of what the mainstream media is labeling alt-right are strictly libertarian besides the issue of immigration, which is a real problem.

He's just way too hyper reactionary.

In real life everyone "political" is considered strictly wrong because normies don't like to talk politics.

In the place that people do like to talk politics, about a 40% chunk of it actually believes libertarians spouting "hitler did nothing wrong" actually makes sense and isn't some strange ironic thing, so they label them as right wing anyway and then get so freaked out that they break themselves.

Whether he likes it or not Peterson has basically been tarred as one of us by the left.

What he does now is essentially trying to influence where the right wing movement goes from here. People like him tried to do the same with German and Italian Fascism. Eventually this movement will simply step over him despite his protestations.

Conflict is unavoidable in the future.

More intellectually honest than anything put out by The Rebel, Reason, or the left in general.

The first time Peterson was on Sam Harris' podcast.

False,

I spend possibly up to 2 hours a day on the internet and the environments in which i do discuss politics are neo-liberal infested.

Im sure its different for some but its undeniably the dominant culture.

he knows a turn to the right is necessary, what he doesnt want is it to reach authoritarian levels
the father Peterson talks about is order and tradition of the civilization.

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>Sup Forums is the alt-right

>what he doesnt want is it to reach authoritarian levels

Then he's ignorant of what far right is.

Far right is anarchism after libertarianism.

National Socialism was still socially socialist (left), which is why it was authoritarian.

>No, no he should be fairly knowledgeable that Sup Forums is regularly mistaken for other chanboards and ultimately in this case of Sup Forums Sup Forums that the alt right is mistaken for.
I don't know what you're getting here, both the question and his answer were directed towards the alt-right, not Sup Forums or Sup Forums. The alt-right ideology coming from Richard Spencer is far more mainstream than the alt-right lite version coming from Sup Forums that virtually no one outside this board would label alt-right.

Couldn't agree more

We're past the point of simple conversation or conversion. Peterson is right in many respects but hasn't yet realized how far things have gotten.

lmao

he btfo all these trumpcucks sucking the dick of their privileged orange tvdaddy who's destroying citizen's interests

>oy vey anti-semitism
This just in, e-celeb #324789275897935 cannot name the Jew behind the Marxism he despises.

fucking pinoys. I see you more and more becoming the new canadians.

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strawpolls are very flawed and all, but every time we poll Sup Forums around 10-15% vote that they are alt-right
they are just really loud otherwise

the far right is Monarchism.

Not at all

Far right means no state controlling shit

Monarchy is still a state dictating things

>Occupy Democrats
Opinion discarded

(You)

wtf I hate nations now

OYYY VEEYYYY

DA ANTISEMITISM!!!

he hasn't got a fucking clue on this, has he

>Far right means no state controlling shit

Right wing politics is about maintaing social hierarchy as opposed to the social equality push by the left. You have been falling for too many Ancap memes.

me two mate.

How interesting that after abandoning traditional the white male birth rate has plummeted, what a glorious goal you have found yourself. Let me make things quicker for you, you can go out more gloriously by hanging yourself with sharp wire.

Honestly he should have been mindful that the two have become ambiguous.

""Alt-lite"" is horrible. Eek. It looks like a diet drink that would make you froth.

The right response was that the alt-right is a media narrative created to paint libertarians, the main proponents of Trump, in a position that you can attack on the basis of that position: which is authoritarian right wing.

It don't exist, going on a tangent about nationalism and accusing anyone except left wing authoritarians as wanting to use the state to fix problems is far off.

Only usually, the leader doesn't need to be primogeniture, with a enough electorate manipulation you could conceivably create a democratic state that was complicit with a banana republic. That too would be an authoritarian right wing state, they simply keep voting in the same party out of pride.

I don't think I'd ever be game to explain what Sup Forums's antisemitism really means.

He's not wrong when he criticises the alt-right, but he assumes the media defined definition of the alt-right is the only definition. The Alt-right is an extremely nebulous group that has finally figured out the magic of the lefts holy intersectionality.

>Honestly he should have been mindful that the two have become ambiguous.
They haven't become ambiguous to anyone outside this board. Go ask anyone in reality what they think about the alt-right. If they even know about it at all, they will 99% of the time refer to Richard Spencer and Breitbart, not Sup Forums and Sup Forums. The alt-right is very well defined and you only don't like the term because you think it's used as a bogeyman label.

>The right response was that the alt-right is a media narrative created to paint libertarians, the main proponents of Trump, in a position that you can attack on the basis of that position: which is authoritarian right wing.
Again, the alt-right was around literally years before it was a media narrative.

>I don't think I'd ever be game to explain what Sup Forums's antisemitism really means
>be game

wtf are you talking about?

Sup Forumss antisemitism is just the recognition of the truth of what the jews have done and are doing

it's only since ww2 that we have been taught not to be anti-jew

friendly reminder that Alt-right is a term invented by the left, more specifically by Hillary Clinton who's desperately wanted to do a face to an invisible enemy.
Friendly reminder that every Sup Forumshack was laughing hard back then.
Friendly reminder that whoever identifies himself with the alt-right is playing (((their)))game.

>friendly reminder that Alt-right is a term invented by the left, more specifically by Hillary Clinton who's desperately wanted to do a face to an invisible enemy.
The alt-right was around 5 years before this election cycle you moron

And Breitbart is the self-proclaimed publication of the alt-right, again, not Hillary Clinton's doing

Impressive how he points out anti-semitism in particular as opposed to just general "racism". Dude knows his fans.

> cannot name the Jew behind the Marxism he despises.

What a retarded argument

I despise Pixar movies and I can't name the people behind the company

>Impressive how he points out anti-semitism in particular as opposed to just general "racism". Dude knows his fans.
Anti-semitism has as much to do with racism as Islamophobia (i.e. nothing at all)

You realize religions aren't races right?

I would love to have Peterson sit down with Moldbug and have a conversation.

It's about deep levels of corporate corruption in politics, the judicial system and even the law enforcement agencies, it's about a tiny subsection of people who live amongst us, flaunt our laws and have parasitically lived off the most advanced civilisations they could find for plausibly up to 10k years. This is the synagogue of Satan.

There is no way I can explain this completely.

Whatever, stormfronters have always been blown the fuck out here.

National socialist Sup Forums is a meme

You are fucking wro-

>that flag

Nevermind

>Sup Forums
>alt-right
maybe u and the_donald newfags

>jews are responsible for Marxism and communism... and capitalism and Zionism and x y z ...

Look, il be frank here. The alt right is not what the core of the beliefs are what the driving force is of all of this. Peterson will not be able to affect any of it if he keeps on arguing with these third tier followers of us.

He basically is responding to low end e-celebs. Who then build up a false dilemma, because they cannot encapsulate our actual beliefs properly.

The thing is, I am not even sure if he genuinely wants to engage in us, or wants to just be an opposition force to gain more followers.

I am one of these heralds of the actual core, so does he have a desire to challenge me lol? Is he in this thread or is one of his own core followers here?

...it's not a religion

Moldbug is a fantastic writer, but he can't speak for shit.

>Judaism is not a religion

but it became mainstream when Hillary named them you fucking leaf.
Tell me who took them seriously before that.

kek

chekked

>There is no way I can explain this completely.
you could show the charts of who owns hollywood and hte media, aipac. or the words of rabbi yosef and the talmud

how historical figures viewed the jews

jewish domination of the slave trade and hte mafia

>tfw it's true
We're jacking off to our father's culture instead of repurposing his and creating our own.

meh - he's a bit thin. What if we need to reconstitute the father so that /we can be/ better sons?

He's too abstract to be meaningful, and he doesn't feel our concerns or has refused to stray from his well-beaten path of mythology and psychology. Which is fine. Just don't expect well-developed thought on the alt-right from him, imo.

Btw, he does say something more ambiguously pro(?) alt-right at the end of the Reality Calls interview:

He'd spent some minutes previously saying that getting the birthrate up was a problem.

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Then at exactly 57mins (time jumping doesn't work for embedding) he gives general advice but says to 'become formidable' - it sounded to me like he's sympathetic.

Sup Forums can't accept the fact that they are wrong, going from one extreme to another doesn't make it any better. National socialism is not doable and history has proven it same as communism.

so in a way, peterson is fourth tier most likely. A fourth tier somewhat opposition force. Though somewhat also neutral party to us. I estimate his lore to be about 20% hostile to us.

But he is completely right here.

Personally I feel the rights of the individual got us into this mess. The issue with live and let live is that it leads to selfishness and some peoples individual liberties can affect others negatively (eg childless women, welfare abusers). We need to go back to a shame culture which means we need a government that will allow it.

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correct

nationalism is a phase leftism progressed through, like communism.

While its true to say in 2017 that nationalism is right wing (the old left being more right wing than the new left), there are positions farther to the right that view nationalism with great skepticism.

if this seems weird to you, you havent understood anything yet

More like a liberal cleansing face - he killed young, politically upwardly mobile Norwegians you know, not muslims.

Jews are both a religion and a genetic/cultural "people", anti-semitism can refer to the hatred of either. It's different from Islamophobia since Islam is a universalist religion and its members don't form a genetic people.

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Sup Forums isn't alt-right. Sup Forums is a marketplace of ideas.

The problem was part of the respect for the individual which was the foundation that grew Western Civilization, was a two-way street where-in the individual wanted respect and went out of their way to act respectfully.

But people started planting flags were they are, and decrying those that tackled the mountain as privileged.

>nationalism is great and necessary so long as it doesn't go to the extent of suppressing the individual's development
>He doesn't advocate totalitarianism or anti-semitism.
Is this supposed to be the big shutdown?

Yeah, and even as a writer he is quite a bit verbose and longwinded, I guess he has taken some inspiration from Carlyle.

Peterson is not a fantastic lecturer either, one pretty much have to go all over his material to find him expanding his ideas fully.

But I think it would be interesting to see what fruit their discussion could bring.

I've never really understood what's alt-right or who's in it. Am I an alt-right thing if I'm a nationalist libertarian? Government should have some degree of power to protect the people from hostile elements like Russia but that's it. We should really be in NATO. Also Jews should really tone down the multiculturalism and propaganda.

You know what else is extremely right wing? Meritocracy. Because whites always come out ahead if all things are equal. Even on this board, where there is freedom of speech, and also freedom of information spreading. Those who have superior arguments, dwarf those who advocate for civic nationalism.

The fact of this whole matter is that whites are superior to other races, equal to perhaps some better asians. And also are much more kind and virtuous in general.

The reason that peterson remains in this low end position is because he cannot deal with the truly free market place of ideas. Struggling, huffing and puffing as he tries to tread along our giant footsteps, skittering around us like a much smaller being, because outside there is a big bad jew waiting to devour him.

In our shadow he lurks.

History has proven that National Socialism does work and communism doesn't.

No, he killed operatives in a literal Leftist training camp that were plotting massive acts of terrorism through socialism against their nation and their people. I'm not saying I condone violence, but when people shut out all conversation and they threaten your family, your home and you country, you don't have a lot of options left but violence.

Get lefties to discuss their views and there won't be a need for violence.

Alternative Right was fucking invented by ((Paul Gottfried)))son(?) in the W years - a way of saying non-neocon right - people who don't think that going to war with Iraq is a good idea. Then Spencer shortened it to alt-right a few months later and made his own website for it. From whence it wended its way to meaning, roughly, white nationalism.

Reminder to shut your fucking pie hole unless you know what you're talking about.

and to add to that: I still want to genocide all the niggers, kikes, mudslimes and lefties.

the "alt-right" is a strawman
national socialism is truth
the state is a"pathological monster" because it is occupied by zionists. was the state under nazi germany a pathological monster? no, because national socialism is truth, and it only works under a monoethnic country, not to mention the fact that subhumans are just plain stupid. fascism is eternal

people have a very bad taste in their mouths for things like authoritarianism, because of propaganda and the fact that we've been living in the dark ages from WW1 up until now

Peterson is right about an awful lot of things, but no one man is a complete paragon of truth and wisdom.
He'll continually speak out against Marxism, but he won't acknowledge that Marxism is inherently Jewish. He refuses to acknowledge the overwhelmingly Jewish push of Marxist ideas in media, or how the entire multiculturalist paradigm is Jewish.

He'll speak out against "anti-semitism" though. In this you could say nothing other than he is being intellectually dishonest because it is the only safe position for him to take. He refuses to address these problems because then all of his Antifa Marxist critics would have fuel to call him a Nazi.

He also fails when it comes to differentiating the nation and the state. That nation is the people. Fundamentally to be a Nationalist means you are for your own people. His statements on the state can be applied to any government. Universally a bureaucracy lends itself to absolution of group, and dissolution of personal responsibility. In the US we can't even have a profitable postal service because of this. However much of this is a product of cultural trends. It is yet another symptom of the problem at the root of society. You cannot force multiculturalism to work. You cannot force radically dissimilar people to live together.
People will be as lazy, self interested, and disdainful as they're allowed to be. The severity of the penchant for these behaviors is determined by how much the individual cares about the well being of society, and we know for a fact that people in multicultural areas care very little. The bowling alone study exemplifies this.
Majority white areas have higher social participation, higher degree of happiness, higher sense of responsibility, they even have higher birth rates. What we seek is to create a high trust society of our own people to fix societal ails.

Failing to address contributing factors to a problem precludes you making an accurate analysis or finding a solution.

Apparently it's fucking anyone right-leaning which isn't captured by the typical U.S. republican establishment.
Large, vague, disjointed, and a perfect scapegoat for electoral failure and widespread criticism.

Horsey is #oneofus.

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I remember when Hillary first opened her mouth, and Sup Forums back in the General Election was so razor sharp to shill tactics we immediately knew that the alt-right label was just another psy-op operation to try warm up the tired muh Hitler narrative to paleo-conservatism.

Now I see months after parts of Sup Forums have actually adopted the label, even though Spencer and the like certainly don't represent or have an audience on Sup Forums.

It's time to leave the Underworld, Sup Forums.

Calling for genocide and inciting hatred in an Internet echo chamber does nothing but create grueling suffering that belongs to nobody else but you, and you alone.

>Sup Forums's career

want to know how I know you're a NEET?

This is a Libertarian fantasy and you're deluding yourselves by buying into it. You're inherently flawed by adhering to the paradigm of left vs right to begin with as political ideologies are far more nuanced than a binary system.

Nationalism does not mean big government. This is a bold faced lie. In its founding America was a White Nationalist country. To say otherwise is an outright denial of history.

the jew was the victor of both wars, and thus he tried to define everything that was good in favor of him.

Each and every day I wonder "is this political party or political movement actually originate in national socialism and was coopted by the kikes?"

eco fascism for example, the leftists probably hijacked that idea. Socialism? They probably did the same for that. All great ideas originate in the white man. Marx probably got his clues from the white race who were responding to the early industrial exploitation. With right wing socialism.

He then (((conveniently))) added kaballah lore, as to how the goym must be treated to it. That of not being allowed to have property for us.

One of the greatest struggles for us is the struggle against time and amnesia of past events, of things like the weimar republic.

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Too bad I'm not a stormcuck

why do we need socialism to have ntionalism?

Mmm new agies.

You realise half the people with your sort of views live in India, right? Do you not remember those Indian cults blessing Donald Trump?

Yes, natural eugenics is an idea that gets toyed with here but more so to nuance an argument that's not completely offensive like that was.

Immaterial to how the word was used, although I have heard that before.

>Fundamentally to be a Nationalist means you are for your own people.

Same is true of a communist

moron

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whites are much more k-selected than other races. truth is k-selected. r-selection just so happens to be the main method of propagation for subhuman dna and the spread of jewish propaganda

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