Do psychology and sociology actually add anything of worth to our society...

Do psychology and sociology actually add anything of worth to our society? It seems like they are just used to push an egalitarian agenda. Virtually none of the theories in these fields can actually be empirically observed or tested.

pseudo-science

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Meme fields to inflate the diversity of STEM.

Useless soc fag here. Sociology and psych are effectively no joke leftist indoctrination.

HOWEVER, that only applies to the framework / analysis. the statistical aspect, when properly used is extremely useful. All the crime stats, proportions of x group to rate of whatever is all sociology and definitely useful to society, and we on Sup Forums basically base our entire meme repetoire on stat infographs.

Tl;dr useless meme degree with potential for the stat-pill

Psyche major here, it started the redpill for me.

How could the study of other cultures be useless?

Why couldn't we do empirical tests on the effects of stone age societies integrating with modern ones?

Why wouldn't we have a use for comparing the rape rates between kebabs with secular populations?

Counseling and pharma definitely seem to supply a demand if that counts as 'worth'. Whether it is a demand brought about by conditioning is besides the point.

It's like philosophy.

Tons of opinions, zero impact.

Some fields of Psychology are good and valuable like neuropsych, clinical and cognitive. Everything else is garbage. As for sociology, everything ever published in sociology since Weber could be burned and the world would hardly notice.

Sup Forums based on stats?
You can literally debunk 90%of the statements made on this board by using credible stats

>(((credible stats)))

There's some credibility or actual utility to some of the stuff produced by them, but that's not the majority, most of it really is packaged retard ideology.

scientific method isn't universally applicable
scientism is almost as bad as atheism

I think it's fucking retarded how many people don't realize how crucial both psychology and sociology is when it comes to business.

In sales, you're needing to convince somebody else that they NEED you. How the fuck can you convince anybody to put money into you unless you can understand how other people think?

As long as people that have a psych degree don't call themselves doctors, and act as if they went to med school for psychiatry, then psychology should genuinely be respected.

Sociology that's learned in schools is pretty useless, but should be useful when you're needing to worry about economic trends with your business.

But I do agree with the credibility of it to some degree. It really only gives you a broad outline of how somebody (or group of people) might think or act.

If anybody thinks that they can have a pocketbook and check off traits of somebody else to determine their exact thought process, they should be shot in the head.

They are for the stupid hot girls to major in before they drop out and become strippers

Both fields add zilch to society.
Statistics mean nothing when there is a publication bias. There is absolutely no way of knowing what studies are obscured in filedrawer. Hence "peer review" is able to push a narrative by selecting studies that are congruent with their view.
Its nearly all placebo-effect though.
Those fields you mentioned are slightly better, but are also in a severe replication crisis.
Where is that 90% based on?

But the psychological manipulation used by marketers can actually be tested and observed. When they arrange their stores in a certain way to get people to buy more products, than is an observable outcome.

Please don't conflate psychology and sociology.

If psychology is BS then Sup Forums is no longer allowed to talk about IQ differences between the races.

Psychology is an empirical science. I can do an experiment with 200 people in 2 different conditions and show a statistically significant effect in one compared to the other.

It's no different from biology, chemistry, etc. It's a hard science based on the scientific method and quantitative data.

There is a lot of bullshit like """microaggressions""" but that's much more sociology than psychology.

t. psychologist

Neuropsychology, cognitive psychology, and to an extent clinical psychology, are the only useful forms of psychology that will be taught in schools. It is best to study social psychology through the lens of writers like Edward de Bernays, Robert Cialdini, Sigmund Freud/Carl Jung, Jacques Ellul, George Orwell, Noam Chomsky (Manufacturing Consent only), Theodor Adorno, and perhaps a selection of well-studied mass psychology, crowd psychology, and social psychology phenomenon.

Early sociology, like Weber, Durkheim, hell even Marx, is somewhat interesting. At least they try to understand the components of society and the institutions that comprise it. Everything else is just school of resentment/culture of critique garbage. You're only likely to get valuable knowledge of the inner-workings of organizations within society through subfields like business & management theory.

Philosophy can have an impact on improving one's life, some just take it up to answer bigger questions rather than making practical uses of it. Psychology and sociology is just dumbed down philosophy

Former Psych Major here.

Not going to lie when I say 90% of the people going through the field are bluepilled as fuck and its just further indoctrination. However, it really wizened me up to the fact that all these people are mentally ill.

>debunk 90%of the statements made on this board
Made by you? Or is this just another one of the false statments you made on Sup Forums?

Oh wow, a lying Jew. I'm shocked!

Sociology is the study of human populations and gets used a lot in places you wouldn't think. Like civil engineering or advertising. Psychology is the study of human individuals and gets used everywhere.

>oi vey how do we goy the shit out of the largest number of possible consumers?

>clinical psychology useful to an extend
Nearly not. In most cases not better, than a placebo talk with a random person.

>Don't learn the skills needed to make money and succeed in a dog-eat-dog world.

Good goy.

Without clinical psychology your parents would never have known you have autism and got you the help you need.

>what is the bell curve

Yeah I'm responsible for 90% of the posts made here

Today companies tend to use ecconomic Marketing Specialist or use computer programms. The useful things sociollogy can do are easily replaced by statistics, because that's the only useful subject in the sociollogy curriculum.

>to an extent

Hint: blindly accepting methods as they are presented is not the way to go. Keeping in line with the evolution of psychotherapy, formulating your own understanding of the human psyche and how to treat its defects, and paying attention to new developments within clinical psychology, psychiatry, and neuroscience is the way to go.

I always suspected there is only one person behind every Canadian and Australian shitpost.

Yeah. Someone actually needs to gather those statistics. Someone needs to build the programs codemonkeys can code. Those programs don't just occur in a vacuum

Psychology It's human engineering and humans are extremely complicated.

There have been millions of have been hurt and helped by psychology, so there's no clear answer to it's net positive.

And believe me those people are nearly always engineers and programmers, not sociollogists.

I don't believe you.

In theory, they are good, and to add valuable knowledge to society.
In practice, currently, these fields are liberal echo chambers that need to be reformed

Sociology? No, of course not

Psychology? Sometimes, it's mostly the placebo effect but talking to a "professional" does often help people. Understanding specific mental illnesses is also less pseudo-science and can be helpful. A psychologist specializing in the criminally insane for example.

I would applaude this, if you don't believe me and would insteat look into the statistics.

I would say for all intents and purposes that philosophy has had much more of an impact than either psychology or sociology. Philosophy birthed analysis, and propositional, predicate, and multi-valued logic, which was mathematically instrumental to Set Theory and Computer Science, and resulted in actual computers. Compared to that psychology's and sociology's achievements, even if they could be concretely or discretely listed, are small by comparison.

they employ women

Nope sorry Canada is really full of shitposters

Psychology is effective when there is a clear goal in mind. When law enforcement is trying to understand criminals or psychopaths, for instance, or when corporations are trying to understand what makes a human want their products. They will keep trying different things to see which makes people want to buy them the most. That is a kind of science I can respect.

I guess I was just trying to say that in a lot of academia, the goal is to promote egalitarianism and they use these fields for that end.

>What makes humans want their product

That's a good example too, ya.
It's mostly sociology that does that. I've had a fair bit of sociology courses forced on me and most of the professors actively try to play-down biological determinism. I've never had one deny it, but they always play it down.

Sociology is a way of thinking, it's far far more political. While I don't disagree with all of it it's a very wishy washy "field of study"

omfg this nigga is still on lvl 1.

Psychology is how to fight fucking wars, it is not a joke like liberal faggots would have you believe.

Psychology: somehow the responses of 18-27 year old American college volunteers is universally applicable to the whole human race

Sociology: the bits inbetween American history, American geography, American anthropology and American economics is somehow a subject in its own right, and can draw conclusions universally applicable to the whole human race

You could argue they are "useful fictions" with specific applications. Neither live up to their claims the second you step outside of middle class America. I should point out this is not a dig a middle class America, you guys are great.

This. Psychology has potential. See

Not gunna lie, I was always interested in psych, but I took sociology this semester and it was a mistake. The book is the largest piece of shit I have ever seen. Literally a chapter on fat acceptance, one unit on "understanding inequality" and the largest of the 3 is on "sexs and genders". To make things worse the only guy I can tell doesn't agree with it is a literal retard. Florida incase your wondering

Jordan Peterson is opening my eyes on philosophy

Sociology is full meme tier.

Psychologie is only relevant if someone is a psychiatrist, else its wannabe hipster shit.

They give meaning to idiots.
Not science. Meaning.

What should you study if you like reading psychology and sociology but want to actually make money after graduating?

I guess I may have overstated things too much in my OP. I think that psychology is very effective when used for a specific purpose, like to manipulate enemies or trying to sell a product. Those are concrete goals that require lots of tests to work. But in modern day academia it feels like the field is mired in abstraction and it's less about trying to achieve something than to prove the theory of egalitarianism.

Business, economics, finance, law. There are plenty of opportunities to scam people.

Psychology and sociology have been so thoroughly corrupted by (((Marxists))) the only thing they "teach" is hating normal white men.

m-marcus, is that y-you?

It's called economics you ignorant shithead and it's an experimental science that makes predictions.

>When law enforcement is trying to understand criminals or psychopaths
Yes.
>when corporations are trying to understand what makes a human want their products.
No.

Nobody has the right to experiment on their own free citizens without their consent.

And we can see the effects of how good psychology/sociology is by looking at the stiill shocked, tear-stained faces of Leftist in the UK and America.

They pulled out all of the stops on the malignant propaganda machine in both countires to try to subvert elections. They failed.

I'm curious: with one hand Sup Forums will dismiss psychology and sociology, but with their other hand, many Sup Forumsacks will accept studies on race realism.

What's your take user?

>Credible stats
>Only the facts from my sources are credible and any thing else is just fake news spread by rural and suburban retards

See

A psychologist isnt even allowed to prescribe drugs.

Psychology and sociology actually do have a solid basis in hard science, but only if you ignore all the virtue-signslled anti-racist bullshit that is currently so prevalent in the field. Sociology has its Base in the anthropology of the early age of enlightenment when explorers would accurately document the barbary of alien cultures in native populations of the places that were being colonised by white European countries. This infornation was used to further our goals as imperialists because it demonstrated in a scientific standard the fact that we were bringing technological and cultural advancement to these backward and outdated nations.

Psychology of human behavior can be used to accurately demonstrate that a libertarian and capitalist society is the mosy suitable for certain (white) races because it embraces the most basic of human behaviors; freedom and competition.

>Psychology: somehow the responses of 18-27 year old American college volunteers is universally applicable to the whole human race

You're about five to ten years too late. It's easy and cheap to get a nat rep sample online now.

Economics has nothing to do with measuring intelligence, impulse control, sociopathy, etc., which have all been found in higher rates amongst blacks thanks to psychological science.

You're welcome.

Neither is a structural engineer... What's your point?

I studied social psych and sociology in college.

I don't know why Sup Forums thinks that using the scientific method to study our own civilizations is a bad idea or a waste of time. Useful information comes out of this field all the time.

However, Sociology is often leftist indoctrination. I say this being lefty as fuck.

However we had some legitimately redpilled conversation. Do you want to know where I first heard the idea that monocultural societies fair better than multicultural ones? Where I first had a debate about the virtues and drawbacks of multiculti?

Sociology class.

Why do blacks commit so much more crime?

Sociology class.


That said, given the option, I would probably go get a STEM degree if i could.

Any aversion to Psychology or Sociology is strictly to throw dumb fucks off the scent of how extremely important these fields are to ((them)). I won't get into it too much but both of these disciplines are extremely important in business and there are huge amounts of money being poured into them right now so they can better refine methods of controlling the world...and they're succeeding at it. Threads like these are "should I be concerned about these people in my house?" and the people in the house respond "pffft, no what are you a faggot? they aren't even black, just leave and go for a walk and they'll be gone by the time you get back." "Oh okay, thanks for giving me my opinion!"

If psychology hadn't been full of Jews, I think Sup Forums would be less critical.

I also see a lot of criticism in the same way that you should criticise architecture because someone made a shitty building once. Yes, all the """white privilege""" stuff is nonsense but that's a very small slice of the field.

As well as race stats, if Sup Forums really thought psychology was BS they wouldn't be so engrossed with memetic warfare.

as long as you don't (((study))) sociology, psychology and even philosophy in (((university))) but instead actually teach/explore ideas for yourself, they're all good.

Psychology is trying to reverse engineer the brain via observation.
It is bound to fail and is not a science.

Sociology is a subset of Anthropology and is useful.

When you compare and contrast sociological studies with empirical sciences such as neuro-plasticity, then yes it can be enlightening.

>understanding individuals and how groups of individuals relate to each other aren't important skills
Does it hurt to be retarded? Also basic sociology is how Trump manipulated all of you retards into voting for him. It's like the ultimate mindhack discipline.

Because a doctor who isnt allowed to prescribe medicine is useless and a psychologist is supposed to be a doctor for the human psyche.

He is isnt allowed to because he doesnt have any knowledge about the human brain and body, if he is only a psychologist hes completely useless, he only can talk to you, what does absolute nothing.

No, that are normal logic conclusions.
A degree in psychology or sociology is useless.

They are only good for product placement in a supermarket and even that fails all the time so its useless.

Neither one is an actual science and should be relegated to other "feels-studies" or eliminated.

I have to do sociology classes for my urban planning degree and it's fucking hell.

Psychologist =/= psychiatrist

Look at it this way.

Are people who experiment in labs and create new drugs allowed to prescribe them to people?

Most psychologists have no interaction with 'patients'. They do experiments to find new processes etc.

Besides, you can help people without prescribing anything. What should a doctor prescribe for an obese fatty? A ballgag? They just need to help the fatty lose weight. A counsellor or therapist would probably be better than someone prescribing a drug, in this case.

pretty much this but also this
Sociology would have a lot of potential if they weren't such pussies to have common sense. Instead, the use it to justify their Marxist ideologies as truth. If you were to rename modern sociology classes as "social justifications of marxism" it would be indististuigisble.

>normal logical conclusions
Oh, ok. So which of these normal conclusions is true: does absence make the heart grow fonder; or is it, out of sight out of mind?

>product placements fail all the time
Source?

>psychology is not an actual science

- controlled experiments
- statistical analysis
- peer review

What's missing to make it an actual science?

>Most psychologists have no interaction with 'patients'. They do experiments to find new processes etc.

You seem to be unaware that
Psychologists = Counselors/Therapists

Psychology is hugely important. We need to understand how people think. Their motivations, we can figure out why people are leftists. Sociolgy is fully bull shit. They're edging towards cult like thinking. Pic related.

asking people how they feel is not objectively a controlled experiment

you can't quantify emotional states

it is all guesswork

I used to study Psych. The trouble is that feelings get hurt very easily. This makes the search for truth very hard to get funding for.

Come to an unPC conclusion, e.g. Faggots are very frequently the victims of sexual abuse in their youth, disproportionately abuse other people sexually including young children and spread a lot of disease, your career is over.

Study behavior of individuals and groups and correlate it to race, your career is over. If you point out that the studies of such things are extremely consistent over decades and with many different environmental conditions, you will be vilified.

Jews will have to be stripped of all power in society before either Psychology or Sociology can be honest about any conclusion that doesn't support Liberalism.

Look where sociology has taken us 1/2

2/2

>ITT butthurt social workers

WE WUZ SCIENTISTS AN SHIT!

clinical psychology is quite real, things like schizophrenia, you can confirm them with neurology.

>t. s.t.e.m. sperg

>Faggots are very frequently the victims of sexual abuse in their youth

Bullshit.
This is a meme that conservatives spew to try and make it look like gays are pedophiles who convert children to being gay.

The reality is that homosexuals are born, not made.

It is genetic.
It is not a choice.

Stop spreading lies.

Oh, really?
What causes schizophrenia then?

You can't answer it because nobody knows.
The plaques thing was disproven.

My mother is bi-polar. Without psychotherapy and modern psycho pharmacy she would probably be dead by now.

Kill yourself you massiv autist.

>Most psychologists have no interaction with 'patients'. They do experiments to find new processes etc.
Give an example of these processes.

I dont say psychologist are the same as psychiatrists.

The main reason is still to work as a psychologist, who have to know the human psyche. And that is impossible.

If they have to prove someone as mentally capable of decisions and has a healthy mind, as example for some transgender patient that wants an op (wich is a paradoxon), the patient can just lie to them. They have no possibility to prove its a lie.
They cannot debug the human mind or something, its impossible for them to validate thoughts of people.

Talk to people can not cure their obesity, but if they prescribe the right medicines he can correct his brainchemical imbalance what would automatically changes his appetite.

Everyone can just lie them in the face and its impossible to fully predict the human mind.

Understanding how cognitive dissonance works changed my life. Also, learning how narcissists work helped me neutralize several that were in my lufe

Psychologists used to do something.
I say bring using human subjects back so they can figure out more interesting stuff

I don't understand why you keep polluting this thread with your garbage. What you said was utterly irrelevant.

If "talking" did nothing, then classical/operant conditioning, mass media, marketing & propaganda, and meme magic would be totally useless in influencing people's behaviors. Drugs are only one of many methods of changing people's behaviors. Stop being so short-sighted.

^dumbfuck realizes what some1 else thinks about you is subjective...

dumbfuck thinks it's an epiphany....^