I'm debating a feminist in University next week, help me
POST EMPIRICAL PROOF AGAINST GENDER WAGE GAP HERE
David Cooper
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Sebastian Adams
If you need to ask us, you've basically already lost the debate.
Leo Gray
This
Why did you agree to debate about something you know nothing about?
James Adams
Goyvin McCuck is at it again.
Isaiah Flores
Jace Jenkins
Just ask on candid or something might.Not here.
Colton Johnson
>Debating a feminist
>Thinking you can "win" if you just show them enough empirical evidence
Lol
Charles Turner
Ask her this : why are men still being hired if women are cheaper?
Isaac Anderson
Burden of proof is on her, pressure her to produce evidence and then procede to pick it apart.
Luke Howard
Just Google about it.Why ask us here?
Nicholas Jackson
>open new post on Sup Forums
>ask to be redpilled about feminism
problem solved.
Andrew Moore
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Luis Butler
Why are so many shitty threads being made right now? Did a new shift of shills get on today at noon or something?
William Ward
burden of proof is on her
when she cites some dumb blanket study that combines all jobs and doesn't discriminate on type of labor or hours point that out
you need to actually see what kind of sources she's likely to bring up ahead of time
Christopher Long
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Gavin Perry
This. People who have abandoned logic can only be manipulated emotionally or removed physically.
Luis Reyes
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Samuel Phillips
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Luis Taylor
Because CEOs are white men and evil sexist pigs.
Justin Robinson
Pay gap statistics never account for different employers, different work ethics between people, nor how much women ASK for raises versus men
Connor Perez
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Josiah Scott
Just repeat: sticks and stones may break my bones but words can never hurt me, over and over again
Hudson Clark
watch some based mom, this vid is pretty concise
www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcDrE5YvqTs
Jayden Cruz
James Edwards
its true but its their own fault, women being women like to blame the man though
pic related
James Adams
I prefer option 2
Ryan Watson
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Grayson Gonzalez
You could also expose that gender income parity is equivalent to family income inequality. The effects are conclusively destructive to the family unit. Now who would desire such a thing?
Jonathan Rodriguez
Be a man and help yourself fuccboi
Landon Diaz
if it were true that you could pay women less that men for the same job, women would have 100% employment rate
it is not feasible that employers, "fat cats" as the masses like to see them, all care less about how much profit they make and more about sexual discrimination that could legally destroy their company
Jayden Wright
interesting
source?
>so I can see fig.10 and 11
Nicholas Robinson
Employers are required by law not to discriminate against females. If there is discrimination then they can sue.
If the wage gap was real then you could start an all female company and capitalize on the % difference and undercut all competitors and win the free market.
Jonathan Johnson
Camden Nguyen
There's no way someone who doesn't know what he's saying can pull the same things this guy said right without making everyone flip off.
OP should probably just take some statistics and say that women either study art or stay as housewives rather than studying engineering and stuff, so they get paid less.
Connor Smith
Yeah. If someone needs to ask people for their opinions they've clearly lost.
You either know everything on your own or you don't. It's that simple OP.
Take it from this guy and this fellow here.
Why bother looking things up and getting research? You either know things or you don't. Learning? That isn't a real word in the minds of the enlightened. You're a TOOL OP. A pawn to these two great minds.
Just imagine. You're a peasant, plebeian, nubile young boy waiting to be fucked in the out house by the grinch. Well, good on you pal. Good on you.
John Ross
oh german men.
there is a study, maybe do some googling yourself?
maybe dont be a lazy?
Carson Kelly
Kevin Howard
Women make different life choices. Feminists and SJWs like to demonize this argument, but it's true.
>Fewer women enter the workforce.
>Women tend to choose to leave their jobs in favor of raising children.
>Fewer women follow the same career path as men do, mostly because of the above statement, and usually enter the workforce later, if at all, and usually enter lower-skill, lower-paying jobs.
>Women and Men go into different fields, due to different interests. Women dominate things like nursing and I think biochemistry, whereas men dominate things like Engineering.
Noah Rodriguez
There there.
James Baker
Matthew Russell
Alexander Baker
Who would do the job if they only hired women?
Christian Stewart
OP, get your facts straight but also make the feminist seem like the lunatic in the debate. I assume the debate is in front of an audience. Your goal is to disprove her claims and then dismantle their ideology in a manner so spectacular and civilised, the audience can't help but marvel.
Noah Diaz
This is the right answer.
t. study econ and have discussed it in class
We can account for 95% of the variability in wages, but the last bit is impossible to determine through statistical testing/econometrics.
Ayden Morgan
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For all those who can't speak German, Austria made it law for corporations and companies with more than 150 employees to send all income statistics they have about their employees to the government. The result was that the wage gape is much lower and around 3-5% can't be blamed on materinity leave etc.
Luis Hughes
>every Christina Hoff Sommers video in 4 lines
Adrian Allen
You cant prove a negative. She has no evidence. So you win. Thats it. Ez pz.
Ian Smith
the position of the feminists is that men and women are the same, and capable of the same work, and any discrepancy in pay is a result of sexist discrimination.
so the most important thing is to explain that men and women are not the same, are driven to perform different types of work as a whole, with men doing more dangerous and labor-intensive work. and being as how men are physically stronger and testosterone make them more apt to seek out more dangerous work, that means they tend to make more on average.
Jace Gutierrez
The American "wage gap" or the German "wage gap?"
The American "wage gap" is determined by comparing all wages of all men everywhere against all wages of all women everywhere.
This is a fallacious premise: why would you compare a CEO to a maid? Frankly, why would you compare CEOs at all? Companies all pay their executives different wages for different reasons.
Hell, you also need to control for regional wages as well - DC is not as poor as ferguson. Germany is not Poland.
so in short, the wage gap lacks any solid foundation, and is instead a dick-size comparison. Why use that as a basis for any other further conclusion?
Matthew Flores
There's nothing to debate, bring a chess board and something heavy, repeat what that polish dude said about women being weaker, smaller and dumber thus less paid and the second some feminist call you sexist or some shit then challenge to try to pick up that heavy thing and have a game of chess with you, if you defeat her at both you won, if not you're probably not man anyway and should avoid such discussions.
Jaxon Rogers
And for other types of work, cite other statistics such as the percentage of men vs women who win nobel prizes and other things of the like, which indicate that men produce on a higher level much more consistently than women.
and essentially, women need to step up THEIR game instead of blaming their shortcomings on systemic discrimination.
Evan Williams
Cite the equal pay act of 1963. It has literally been law that men and women must be paid equal for equal work for more than half a fucking century.
Ask her if she believes in equal right or equal outcome.
Joshua Baker
Leftists claim, capitalism is all about money.
If the wage gap would be real (women getting alot less for the same work), companies would hire exclusevily women. They would beat each other up, to get that precious women work.
Capitalism has a way to balance this out.
Samuel Phillips
I wonder how "equal work" is defined, that you have the same job title, or have the same level of production?
Ryder Kelly
The burden of proof is on them.
Also, take this time to redpill them on how kikes in America encouraged women to start careers instead of raising children and did so to increase competition for jobs, therefore allowing them to decrease wages.
Bentley Nelson
You can't debate them, I already told my mom that it's because they take the average wage from all workers and lump them together regardless of job and she just said that it's wrong that women are kept out of high paying jobs. I will admit that the "real" wage gap is indicative of a cultural phenomena where women are less likely to get high paying jobs(not necessarily because of employers not hiring them because they're women) but women will simply see it as them being discriminated against, their's no way around it.
Kayden Morgan
Its more important honestly to help this OP homo with rhetoric because thats where most faggots screw it up.
>say that women make different choices
>if she says the choices are patriarchy, point out that they exist identically in ever culture in existance even in thise that have been destroyed. Add that the more feminist a culture is the less money women make becauee since they are more free they make choices that reflect what they truly want. What they truly want is not to work hard and make good money, undeniably.
>add that forcing women to do things they dont want like math, is ACTUAL oppression.
>say that biological diffetences are known but patriarchy culture theory is unknown.
>point out the god of the gaps fallacy wherein feminism claims anything unknown to be the result of patriarchy .
Henry Torres
If the wage gap is real how come there is not one single case that ends up in court?
Do you mean female cops make less than male cops for the same hours and position? Or people working at burger king? Or engineers? Or college professors? Or pharmacists? And if they do get less for the same, how come no one ever takes the case to court?
And just keep saying "nonsense" to whatever she says and do it in the way Pence did on the debate, it just gets on their nerves.
Grayson Gutierrez
is a good point but their usual counter is that wimminz feel like they should go to certain line of work and that they shouldn't be as ambitious as a man, that they're basically oppressed. My retort would be to say that if they have all the legal and social opportunities to get the job done the same way a man can, then claming oppression and being a victim all the time isn't ambitious AT ALL, and people who keep saying that women are oppressed and systematically discriminated against, even with no evidence supporting that claim, are in fact the ones who are keeping women down, rather than let women do their own thing and make their own choices.
Nicholas Wilson
Watch this documentary its the video embodiment of cognitive dissonance of SJWs gender """researchers""" and real scientists. Just take notes. youtube.com
Cooper Lewis
Women aren't people.
Owen Wilson
>debating a woman
>empirical proof
Women do not listen to facts or reason.
Michael Myers
Aggression and fearlessness are key moreso in debate than in war.
Feminists are like wild animals, never show fear. You'll be pressured to agree to disagree or to concede a few points in order to gain leniency, dont. Dont stop pushing until the enemy has been pushed all the way down
Aaron Parker
Show your mom the same documentary I linked in It redpilled my mom on the topic.
Colton Young
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Caleb Brooks
The best angle of attack I have found is something like this. "Say I'm a business owner. I can hire a man for 100 dollars an hour or a woman for $80 an hour and get the same exact output. Why wouldn't my workforce be 100% women?"
>the patriarchy
"But then my company would be btfoed by a 100% female company offering a better product at a lower price. My shareholders would eat me alive and I would go bankrupt."
Asher Rivera
This is such a dumb position to debate. Its literally impossible to debate because any argument against it at the very least tacitly admits the wage gap exists. Even if its a .00001% wage gap in favor of men its still a wage gap, ergo it exists ergo she wins.
Trying to account for and argue for what causes the wage gap, even the tiniest one, is pointless because youve already lost the debate by stepping on your opponents home field. In order to argue against the wage gaps existence confirms the wage gap. Its that retarded.
I say just dont show up on debate day OP. Its not worth the time and energy
Jose Sullivan
>I say just dont show up on debate day OP. Its not worth the time and energy
don't do this retard, especially if its a formal debate in front of the entire school or some shit. Go out there and redpill some plebs, and keep your cool.
Henry Nelson
>But then my company would be btfoed by a 100% female company offering a better product at a lower price
Every company is engaged in a conspiracy to keep women down, shitlord. If strong empowered womyn started their own company, the evil white men would take it over.
>My shareholders would eat me alive and I would go bankrupt
Your shareholders are just straight white men who only care about keeping strong womyn down instead of making money.
Jackson Turner
>Trying to account for and argue for what causes the wage gap, even the tiniest one, is pointless because youve already lost the debate
So, you are saying that if we disprove the wage gap, then the wage gap wins?
Mason Murphy
No proofs. Where are they?
Isaac Hall
Burden of proof is on you, you support a claim.
Mason Watson
The reason that it is difficult to argue about the wage gap is that far too few people understand statistics...
And women don't acknowledge the fact that most women chose to work in fields that pay less because they don't suck or kill you.
Ayden Ortiz
I emptied a miracle in your mom last night
Liam Martinez
The wage gap doesn't exist.
It's just that women prefer to work in cushy jobs that pay less...
And men prefer to destroy their bodies to earn more money.
Women could quite easily earn more, just become a plumber, trash collector, soldier, fire fighter, etc....
Jobs pay more when no one wants to do them.
Society and men themselves care FAR less about men, than society and women care about women.
Women don't want to work their lives away in pursuit of profit.....
Men have no choice.
Gabriel Watson
I don't need proofs. Your proofs were created why white men and are therefore heteronormative and oppressive. All I need is my emotional intelligence.
Jeremiah Foster
If women were payed less than men and did the same quality of work, why would any business ever hire a man?
>muh entrenched sexism
>muh glass ceiling
Fact: Businesses love money more than dicks.
Logan Allen
gender doesn't exist.
so there is no gender wage-gap.
you're sexist if you think there is.
Brody Smith
Whenever they bring up the 73 cents to the dollar meme, be sure to remind them that stat included housewives who have an effective income of zero dollars and zero cents.
Alexander Baker
Also, women don't understand economics.
Supply and demand is the bread and butter of buisiness.
If there was a job for sitting on a beach, sipping margaritas, you would have billions of applications, so you could pay them nothing....
Hell you could even CHARGE them money for them to sit on a beach sipping margeritas.
People don't work jobs because they WANT to, they work jobs because they HAVE to in order to earn money.
Women prefer comfort over the drugery of earning lots of money, more than men.
When people talk about the "Pay Gap", they don't realize that it's a statistical anomoly, and they also don't realize what a statistical anomoly even MEANS.
They hear the slogan "Women earn less"
Well, they WORK less, on average, than men, so ON AVERAGE, men earn more because they WORK more.
It's not a pay gap.
It's a work gap.
Michael White
>1 post by this ID
>controversial topic
You faggots always take the bait.
Camden Cooper
Also, there is no proof for a wage gap anyway.
Carter Foster
Google.com
Jacob Hernandez
You actually fell for that b8?
David Watson
The "wage gap" is proportional to the "skill gap", women need to work harder and do better in school.
Caleb Gonzalez
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Charles Watson
everytime she brings up the patriarchy, and this is going to come up because it's their explaination for everything, repeat it back to her replacing every instance of white male with jews.
Luis Perez
Women need to start going into the trades...
Welding, plumbing, electrician, roofer, bricklayer, carpenter, etc...
Jobs that no one else wants earn more money, because they HAVE TO.... otherwise no one would DO them.
It's a dirty job, but someone has to do it.... and women don't like getting dirty.
Samuel Rogers
(((Them)))
Jose Ward
>1 post by this ID
Sage and fucking hide
Isaac Perry
>nobody wants to be a carpenter
?
Jacob Torres
Gender equality paradox
Cameron Perez
>Plz halp, I'm a fagut
Colton Long
Women have had choice for a long time. They gravitate towards jobs that don't pay as much. They also might not work as many hours, work overtime as much, take more days off, and be worse at salary negotiation for example.
Lots of factors here. Also women in the workforce devalues labor and makes it so a man can't provide for the whole family with one job. It has destroyed the family unit.
James Johnson
use statistics and logical/reasonable arguments and then say that what he/she is doing is morally wrong
they will only listen once you personally call them out for it
eg: when we give men and women equal oppertunities the m/f distribution among engineers is 90/10
if you want there to be a 50/50 distribution then you will punish men for something they have no control over
what you imply is wrong, punishing people for something they have no control over is evil
Julian Powell
good place to look, is gender gap vs hours worked.
If im not mistaken, 88% of all men on the american workforce works 40+ hrs a week. Its only 66% of all women.
Pretty sure you can find it in here:
bls.gov
Then there is gender-preferred jobs, some are more prone to get hazard-pay, overtime etc. that the wagegap-myth ignore in its entirety.
Christian Jones
Just change the subject and start talking about banking jews instead.
Fuck life
Bentley Cooper
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Jackson Morris
Dumbass Nazi