Why is Christianity considered redpilled on this board?

It seems to me that it got carried by the greatness of Europe and that it would be nothing without Europeans.

Christianity is great because of Europeans, Europeans are great in spite of it.

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>muh jewish desert religion

>Why is Christianity considered redpilled
because it's true.

>Europe got carried by the greatness of Christianity and that the entire world would be nothing without Europe being Christian.
Fixed that for you.

You can ignore autists bitching about how Europe was so much better when everyone outside the walls of Rome lived in a mud hut, while everyone inside it had a decadent life.

The earth is six thousand years old and evolution isn't real?

i'm not a young earth creationist.
what's true and defensible is the death burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

I fixed your garbage image

>Pagans motivated Europe to aggressively expand throughout the world for economic and religious reasons

Said no one ever.

>this crop job
looks more like you broke it

>Christianity is great because of Europeans, Europeans are great in spite of it.
Well said.

>a book

You should learn more about Christianity, guess what the Bible is made up of.

>Autistic pagan worshipping a 2003 drawing of a frog can't even crop an image.
>Ignores the documented evidence by the Romans that proove his existance.
But go ahead throw a tantrum about how "is a fake durr", keep us entertained.

Yeah I didn't learn enough about Christianity in a Christian household, going to church every sunday, having my nursery primary secondary schools aswell as college being Christian aswell as all the research I have done after the fact

fuck off
just because you put more names on it doesn't make it reliable
there is literally no evidence that 1 guy didn't write the entire new testament
this is my protest

t. ahmed

No, the fags go to hell part

Also the bible doesnt even say this 2 things

Except for the bible itself, obviously, achmed ali mohammad al sissy bin sodomized.

Christianity helped protect knowledge during the dark ages. hence why latin is still relevant.

>the research I have done
>there is literally no evidence that 1 guy didn't write the entire new testament
nice research

>Citing "religious" education institutions.
>Thinks they taught anything of value about Christendom.
As if the British government would let them teach the truth about stuff like sodomy.

>implying that Christians were friendly to merchant.

It's not. The majority make fun of adults who still believe in fairy tales and bedtime stories. They're just a very vocal minority hoping that if they pretend to believe it hard enough maybe they can save the west by forcing their values unto it. Those people are retarded.

Well said OP.
Christcucks getting so defensive, lol.

becauses mommy told them to suck jesus penis

...

Satan is the way. Get out Russian shill.


Go 'redpill' some other goym.

compelling evidence you have there
do some research instead of bothering your intellectual superiors

>jews are gods chosen people
1 John 2:22
Rev 2:9, 3:9
1 Thess 2:14-16

Because it is the Truth.

Friendly reminder that Yeshua is a Judean Yahwist who hated the Pharisees (Who would later become the Jews after the creation of the Talmud)

Anyone you see who calls Jesus a Jew is not only lying, they're most likely a Jew trying to turn more people against Him out of their own hatred.

t. kike

anything of value about Christendom is an oxymoronic statement user

and the only reason you don't learn as much as you otherwise might is because most of the stuff they don't teach you is pants on head retarded noah's ark tier
they teach you the slightly less retarded myths

>it got carried by the greatness of Europe

oh, you wanted evidence, here you go:

1: Christ is a historical figure. he died via Roman crucifixion. This is a historical fact. (see 1 in pic related)
no one walks away from roman crucifixion, it's a 3 step process.
if you survive the scourging and crucifixion, the third step is the deathblow.
they need to pry someone off a cross, so they would smash their head in or stab them through the heart with a sword or spear, or set them on fire, or let wild animals rip them apart.

2: We have firsthand and secondhand eyewitness testimony claiming he visited them in person after his death.
it's written in Paul's epistle to the corinthians.
>inb4 USING THE BIBLE TO PROVE THE BIBLE TRUE? UGHHH CHRIST-TARD
hold on, it's written in this epistle, but it originated much earlier, secular scholarship corroborates this (see 2 in pic related)
>3 For I passed on to you as of first importance what I also received—that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures,
>4 and that he was buried, and that he was raised on the third day according to the scriptures,
>5 and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve.
>6 Then he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers and sisters at one time, most of whom are still alive, though some have fallen asleep.
>7 Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles.
>8 Last of all, as though to one born at the wrong time, he appeared to me also. (1 Corinthians 15:3-8)
notice that He's appearing to groups, that rules out the 'hallucination hypothesis,' because hallucinations are subjective to the individual.
this creed is also dated to around the month year of Christ's crucifixion by secular scholarship as well, so that rules out the 'legend hypothesis.'

3: These people suffered severe persecution, torture, and death for holding this view.
which is not something someone who is unsure or knows that what they are professing is a lie is going to do.
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Nobody ever spoke truer words.

>consider themselves redpilled
>follow a brow man's religion
wewewewew

so,
options ruled out as irrational:
A) the eyewitnesses were all lying
B) the eyewitnesses were all hallucinating the same thing at each occurence
C) the myth of this event evolved over time (legend hypothesis)
D) Christ survived the crucifixion

options left:
E) the event actually occured
F) ? ? ?

only reason to deny E in light of the overwhelming evidence supporting it, is the circular reasoning in pic related
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>what is pagan Europe

>worshiped Yahweh
>practiced Jewish tradition
>genealogy traced back explicitly to Abraham and David by the Bible

He's totally not Jewish though. :^)

well said, how can we save the west without it?

Also, What moral systems were in place for European paganism?

>1: Christ is a historical figure. he died via Roman crucifixion. This is a historical fact. (see 1 in pic related)

You know that all of these people are CONTRACTUALLY OBLIGED to hold this opinion, right?

The Colloseum is as representative to Europe as this is to Africa.

>muh superior african civilization

>CONTRACTUALLY OBLIGED
???
look up some of those names in the citations, i don't think any of them are christians

you posted no evidence that the bible wasn't written by 1 person, I never disputed that Jesus the mortal man didn't exist

also as a fun side note I looked up the guy from the very first citation and found this
After periods of teaching and research at McMaster University (1977–79) and Vanderbilt University (1979–82), he was appointed in 1983 to the Chair in New Testament Studies in the Theological Faculty of the University of Göttingen. Following a series of historically critical publications culminating in the publication of his book Der große Betrug: Und was Jesus wirklich sagte und tat (The Great Deception: And What Jesus Really Said and Did) in 1999, in which he argued that only about five per cent of the sayings attributed to Jesus are genuine and the historical evidence does not support the claims of traditional Christianity, the Confederation of Protestant Churches in Lower Saxony called for his dismissal from the Chair of New Testament Studies. Lüdemann stated that his studies convinced him that his previous Christian faith, based as it was on Biblical Studies, had become impossible: 'the person of Jesus himself becomes insufficient as a foundation of faith once most of the New Testament statements about him have proved to be later interpretations by the community'

It's good that you recognize his authority on the subject, so 'wtf I hate christianity now' right?

Miracles defy the laws of physics. They are literal magic. They cannot operate unless they defy what we understand as universal.

You are defending magic. Stop that.

You are entirely correct. See pic related for Dr. William Pierce's well thought out summary.

The old ways are gone because we were all told to follow the messiah when he came.
Christ was foretold in Europe. He really is the Son of God as prophesied.

Yet somehow those are still better huts than most of the world ever made

Who said anything about being obliged to be a Christian? (Though that's certainly true in many biblical studies departments)

Exactly.

>WE WUZ ROMANS AND SHIEEEET

No. You destroyed Rome, brought on the dark ages and were only saved by Christianity. Real great lol.

In what way exactly?

>atheist historian is atheist
good job, i'm only talking about the crucifixion/resurrection right now though

>unless they defy what we understand as universal.
how would we ever understand anything new with this mindset?

what's this contractual obligation you're talking about then?

rly makes someone ponder..

more room to fuck sheep?

>Europeans are great in spite of it.

Not necessarily. Europeans needed a unifier that extended beyond language and nationality. One that groomed a shared sense of law and value. Christianity was this unifier.

oh so his opinion on biblical matters is only appropriate when it fits your narrative? interesting

but your crucifixion blog is irrelevant to the points I made so this is quite appropriate in response

>Christianity unified europe
>europe was at constant wars with each other for 2000 years

I can't imagine how many wars would have happened if they weren't unified

Everyone in this thread is now aware that JESUS DIDN'T ACTUALLY EXIST.

Pic related.

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The National Alliance is not a religious organization, in the ordinary sense of the term. It does, however, have to concern itself with religious matters, because religions influence the behavior of people, society, and governments. The doctrines of various religious groups — Christians, Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, et al. — deal with the temporal as well as spiritual matters and therefore often conflict with National Alliance doctrine.
Christian doctrines are of much greater concern to the National Alliance than the doctrines of other large religious groups, because Christianity is the most influential religion in the United States, Europe, and the rest of the White world. Most members of the National Alliance come from families which are, or a generation ago were, at least nominally Christian, and very few come from families which practice or practiced, Islam, Buddhism, or other religions. Furthermore, the history of our race for the last thousand years has been inextricably bound up with Christianity. The National Alliance really cannot avoid taking positions regarding Christian beliefs and practices, despite the complications this causes our work.

CHRISTIANITY ignores racial differences and promotes egalitarianism and racial mixing.

part 1

The immediate and inevitable fact which forces us to come to grips with Christianity is that the mainstream Christian churches are all, without exception, preaching a doctrine of White racial extinction. They preach racial egalitarianism and racial mixing. They preach non-resistance to the takeover of our society by non-Whites. It was the Christian churches, more than any other institution, which paralyzed the will of White South Africans to survive. It is the Christian establishment in the United States which is preeminent in sapping the will of White Americans to resist being submerged in the non-White tide sweeping across the land. Most Christian authorities collaborate openly with the Jews, despite the contempt and abuse they receive in return, and the rest at least follow Jewish policies on the all-important matter of race. The occasional anomaly — a Catholic bishop in Poland speaking out angrily against Jewish arrogance, a few Protestant groups in the United States expressing sympathy for oppressed Palestinians — does not invalidate the rule.
We are obliged, therefore, to oppose the Christian churches and to speak out against their doctrines. But we do not, as some groups have done, accuse the Christian leaders of being false Christians. We do not say, “We are the real Christians, because we stand for the values which the mainstream churches stood for a century ago, before they were subverted.” We do not reach for our Bibles and point to verses which seem to be in accord with the policies of the National Alliance and contrary to the present policies of the Christian churches. A diligent Bible scholar can find in the Judeo-Christian scriptures support for — or ammunition against — virtually any policy whatsoever.

part 2

>oh so his opinion on biblical matters is only appropriate when it fits your narrative?
no, only when they're relevant to my argument.
please note: if i had posted Christian historians you would've been in a pants-shitting rage

>the points I made
what point? that through your 'research' you came to realize the new-testament was written by one dude?
let's pretend there's warrant for this belief and it isn't something that's not held by even the most marginalized fringe of secular biblical scholarship.
would it make a difference to my argument?

Beyond the immediate conflict between us and the Christian churches on racial matters there is a long-standing and quite fundamental ideological problem with Christianity. It is not an Aryan religion; like Judaism and Islam it is Semitic in origin, and all its centuries of partial adaptation to Aryan ways have not changed its basic flavor. It was carried by a Jew, Saul of Tarsus (later known as Paul), from the Levant to the Greco-Roman world. Its doctrines that the meek shall inherit the earth and that the last shall be the first found fertile soil among the populous slave class in Rome. Centuries later, as Rome was succumbing to an internal rot in which Christianity played no small part, legions of Roman conscripts imposed the imported religion on the Celtic and Germanic tribes to the north.
Eventually Christianity became a unifying factor for Europe, and in the name of Jesus Europeans resisted the onslaught of Islamic Moors and Turks and expelled the “Christ-killing” Jews from one country after another. But the religion retained its alien mind-set, no matter how much some aspects of it were Europeanized. Its otherworldliness is fundamentally out of tune with the Aryan quest for knowledge and for progress; its universalism conflicts directly with Aryan striving for beauty and strength; its delineation of the roles of man and god offends the Aryan sense of honor and self-sufficiency.

part 3

Finally Christianity, like the other Semitic religions, is irredeemably primitive. Its deity is thoroughly anthropomorphic, and its “miracles” — raising the dead, walking on water, curing the lame and the blind with a word and a touch — are the crassest superstition.We may have fond memories of the time before the Second World War when pretty, little girls in white dresses attended all-White Sunday schools, and Christianity seemed a bulwark of family values and a foe to degeneracy and indiscipline. We may cherish the tales of medieval valor, when Christian knights fought for god and king — if we can overlook the Christian church’s bloodthirsty intolerance, which stifled science and philosophy for centuries and sent tens of thousands of Europeans to the stake for heresy.
We may even find Christian ethics congenial, if we follow the standard Christian practice of interpreting many of its precepts — such as the one about turning the other cheek — in such a way that they do not interfere with our task. But we should remember that nothing essential in Christian ethics is specifically Christian. Any successful society must have rules of social conduct. Lying and stealing were shunned in every Aryan society long before Christianity appeared. Our pagan ancestors did not need Christian missionaries to tell them how to behave or to explain honor and decency to them — quite the contrary!

part 4

Historians may argue the pros and cons of Christianity’s role in our race’s past: whether or not the unity it provided during a period of European consolidation outweighed the loss of good genes it caused in the Crusades and the bloody religious wars of the Middle Ages (and through the Church’s policy of priestly celibacy); whether the splendid Gothic cathedrals which rose in Europe during the four centuries and the magnificent religious music of the 18th century were essentially Christian or essentially Aryan in inspiration; whether Christianity’s stand against the evils of self-indulgence — against gluttony and drunkenness and greed — was worth its shackling of the human mind in superstition or not. One thing already is clear, however: Christianity is not a religion that we can wish on future generations of our race.
We need ethics; we need values and standards; we need a world view. And if one wants to call all of these things together a religion, then we need a religion. One might choose instead, however, to call them a philosophy of life. Whatever we call it, it must come from our own race soul; it must be an expression of the innate Aryan nature. And it must be conducive to our mission of racial progress. Christianity, as the word is commonly understood, meets neither of these criteria.

part 5

The fact is that, completely aside from the racial question, no person who wholeheartedly believes Christian doctrine can share our values and goals, because Christian doctrine holds that this world is of little importance, being only a proving ground for the spiritual world which one enters after death. Christian doctrine also holds that the condition of this world is not man’s responsibility, because an omnipotent and omniscient deity alone has that responsibility.
Although some Christians do believe Christian doctrine wholeheartedly, however, most do not. Most instinctively feel what we explicitly believe, even if they have repressed those feelings in an effort to be “good” Christians. Because of this many nominal Christians, even those affiliated with mainstream churches, can, under the right circumstances, be persuaded to work for the interests of their race. Other nominal Christians — especially those who stand apart from any of the mainstream churches — have interpreted Christian doctrine in such an idiosyncratic way that the contradictions between their beliefs and ours have been minimized.
For these reasons we want to avoid conflict with Christians to the extent that we can. We don’t want to give unnecessary offense, even when we speak out against the doctrines of these churches. We don’t want to ridicule their beliefs, which in some cases are sincerely held. Some of these people later will reject Christianity’s racial doctrines. Some will reject Christianity altogether. We want to help them in their quest for truth when we can, and we want to keep the door open to them.

part 6

Members who want to study the subject of Christianity and its relationship to our task in depth should read Which Way Western Man? by our late member William Simpson. The book’s initial chapters describe the spiritual odyssey of a man of exceptional spiritual sensitivity, who was far more intensely a Christian than nearly any Christian living today and who eventually understood the racially destructive nature of Christianity and rejected it.
A more concise study of the difference between the Christian world view and ours is given in Wulf Sörensen’s The Voice of Our Ancestors, which was reprinted in National Vanguard No.107.

part 7

Without understanding the role of Christianity in western culture you are unable to add to the discussion about the future of Europe. The crucial role of Christianity is not some obscure pet theory, it's observed fact. The results of turning our backs on Christianity was accurately prophesied repeatedly and not just by Christians. This is the subject that consumed the life of the "antichrist" Nietzsche.

Neo-pagans seem to have no understanding of how Christianity worked so there is no hope in those sort of movements recreating that success. Anyone who does understand also understands that recreating it is pointless and impractical. We already have the way forward. It's through Christ.

Civilization:
youtube.com/watch?v=w6qYjisp51M

>JESUS DIDN'T ACTUALLY EXIST.
>(((richard carrier)))
pic related

Are you on here 24/7 Icelandic pseudo intellectual?

Varg actually believes this.

The religion of my ancestors must be carried on regardless of the veridicity of its assumptions.
Christians made Europe great, not vice versa.
Universities exist because of Christianity.
Our complex and sofisticated philosophies and schools of thught exist thanks to Christianity.
The best art masterpieces in the world and the aestetic doctrines were inspired by Christianity.
Our family values are strictly connected to Christianity.
Cultural marxism, femminists, and sjw refuse Christianity and aim to destroy it.
Only Christianity can unify the white race against shitskins.
I could go on but you edgy kids have the compulsive need to feel like their smarter and egostand the world. So believe in whatever bullshit you want to believe keep go on making your souls deaf and blind. Satan laughs at your pretentiousness. I pray for every white to wake up and embrace the cross.
Be fit, no porn, no fap, no degeneracy, no drugs and attend sunday holy mass. Then we'll win.

Weak immaculate males cling to Christianity in hopes they'll be saved from their own impotence.

But it's not happening.
Enjoy the slow decay.

Nice infographic, but

Tacitus didn't mention Jesus
Josephus didn't mention Jesus
Pliny the Younger didn't mention Jesus
Seutonius didn't mention Jesus
Mara bar-Serapion doesn't mention Jesus directly, just mentions a "King of the Jews" (could be anyone)
etc etc etc

are you saying christianity motivated europeans to be aggressive invaders? another proof that christianity is just another bloodthirsty kike religion like islam

Wasn't the history of Christianity covered by The Life of Brain.

Europeans were much more in tune with reality and nature when they had pagan deities. Often they would not even believe those deities are true gods but just use the gods to represent an abstract goal and use that as a method to focus on the goal. Once Europeans began following the Asian Jewish religion they suffered more than not. Some argue that it brought about a commonality between warring Europeans but that is nonsense. There was still war afterwards and before xtianity Europeans still engaged in trade and cultural sharing between each other. Christianity is a religion for the weak who are too afraid to face reality or human nature.

>tacitus didn't mention jesus

“What benefit did the Athenians obtain by putting Socrates to death? Famine and plague came upon them as judgment for their crime. Or, the people of Samos for burning Pythagoras? In one moment their country was covered with sand. Or the Jews by murdering their wise king?…After that their kingdom was abolished. God rightly avenged these men…The wise king…Lived on in the teachings he enacted.” --Tacitus

>Josephus didn't mention Jesus

“Now around this time lived Jesus, a wise man. For he was a worker of amazing deeds and was a teacher of people who gladly accept the truth. He won over both many Jews and many Greeks. Pilate, when he heard him accused by the leading men among us, condemned him to the cross, (but) those who had first loved him did not cease (doing so). To this day the tribe of Christians named after him has not disappeared” --Josephus

>Pliny the Younger didn't mention Jesus

“They (the Christians) were in the habit of meeting on a certain fixed day before it was light, when they sang in alternate verses a hymn to Christ, as to a god, and bound themselves by a solemn oath, not to any wicked deeds, but never to commit any fraud, theft or adultery, never to falsify their word, nor deny a trust when they should be called upon to deliver it up; after which it was their custom to separate, and then reassemble to partake of food—but food of an ordinary and innocent kind.” --Pliny the Younger

>B-but the bible is evidence of Jesus!

Nice argument, but unfortunately the earlies surviving Christian writer, Paul, explicitly denies any knowledge of a living Jesus (it's Galations 1:12 I think, read it and weep.)

Saged.

>Seutonius didn't mention Jesus

“Because the Jews at Rome caused constant disturbances at the instigation of Chrestus (Christ), he (Claudius) expelled them from the city (Rome).” --Seutonius

>Mara bar-Serapion doesn't mention Jesus directly, just mentions a "King of the Jews" (could be anyone)

“What benefit did the Athenians obtain by putting Socrates to death? Famine and plague came upon them as judgment for their crime. Or, the people of Samos for burning Pythagoras? In one moment their country was covered with sand. Or the Jews by murdering their wise king?…After that their kingdom was abolished. God rightly avenged these men…The wise king…Lived on in the teachings he enacted.” --Mara Bar-Serapion

i think "After that their kingdom was abolished" makes it pretty clear. but whatever.

>Tacitus
Can't see the word Jesus there anywhere, m8

>Josephus
4th-century forgery, as almost everyone knows

>Pliny
Can't see the word Jesus there anywhere, m8

First post utter FAGGOT POST. Parroting.

Saged

>Seutonius
FFS, as almost the entire planet now knows, someone scratched out the original name, Chrestus, and wrote an I over it, to make it look like Christus.

>Mara bar-Serapion
Still can't see any mention of Jesus, m8

20 years ago the exact opposite position was a favored atheist argument.
>Christianity is a barbaric idea that promotes ethnic tribalism
20 years later
>Christianity is a weak idea that doesn't promote ethnic tribalism enough

The scientific method itself emerged out of the Christian tradition of scholarly research and the Christian idea of reaching ultimate truth.

>B-but the bible is evidence of Jesus!
wow, finish reading the infographic, there's like 20 words on it altogether. holy shit you millennials.

>explicitly denies any knowledge of a living Jesus (it's Galations 1:12

>I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ. (Gal 1:12)
wow, paul believed Christ was God, amazing. christianity BTFO

You clearly don't know who Dr. Pierce is, or when this was written.

You worship a dead Jew. Get your shit togheter.

the exact same argument christards make about atheism

>atheists are cuck beta liberals and makez u invite refugees!

*subject changes*

>atheists are sociopath totalitarians just like stalin!

Yeah, "I received this information by revelation" means "I saw it in a dream".

You know that dreams aren't real... right?

>Can't see the word Jesus there anywhere, m8
that's because i posted the wrong thing, oops
my bad!

“Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular.” --actually tacitus

>4th-century forgery, as almost everyone knows
yeah there are some 4th century forgeries of josephus' writings, that wasn't from one of them

>Can't see the word Jesus there anywhere, m8
do you see the word "Christ" there?

I guess I should tell you that it was written 25 years ago and Dr. Pierce was the founder and mental center of one of the greatest natsoc movements in america, since you probably won't look it up yourself

>You know that dreams aren't real... right?
Dreams are dreams.
Dreams exist.
Dreams are real.

>"I received this information by revelation" means "I saw it in a dream".
that's wrong though

but either way, afterwards what was revealed was corroborated to him by the other eyewitnesses, see -----> ( )

Like Mohammad had a dream about Islam.

You know dreams aren't real ... right?

Really activated my almonds

If europe made christianity great, and it isn't the other way around...then why is the least christian nation in europe, sweden, the least great nation in all of europe?

>FFS, as almost the entire planet now knows, someone scratched out the original name, Chrestus, and wrote an I over it, to make it look like Christus.

if you look at the context, it's clear he's talking about Christ/Christians, and not some dude named crest
>“Because the Jews at Rome caused constant disturbances at the instigation of Chrestus (Christ), he (Claudius) expelled them from the city (Rome).” (Life of Claudius, 25:4)
>“Nero inflicted punishment on the Christians, a sect given to a new and mischievous religious belief.” (Lives of the Caesars, 26.2)

...

Jesus is both Chrestus, a righteous man, and Christus, the Anointed One.

Reminder that most Christians are actually sub-Saharan Africans and smelly South/Central American mestizos. All this claptrap about Europeans living in mud huts before Christianity is just Pedro Sanchez and Kunta Kinte projecting their own lack of civilization before (and after) Christianization.

japan is even less christian than sweden and they still have no refugees