Is anyone else sad to see that SJWS are a laughingstock now?

Is anyone else sad to see that SJWS are a laughingstock now?

I've been thinking about this since the GamerGate fiasco. I started out initially wondering if SJWs losing all credibility was ultimately good or bad. During the 2016 election, after the deaths of the officers in Dallas, I started wondering whether or not it's better if Trump wins. I obviously didn't make the thread then, because I didn't want to be lumped in with CTR; however, I think the smoke has cleared enough to have a somewhat nuanced discussion on the subject.

Basically, is it a positive change, long-run, that SJWs hold no cultural power and the Right is on the rise?

Sure Trump's good in a number of ways, he's the best Republican candidate to run since Pat Buchanan. SJWs are awful people with awful ideas, and any power they wield ultimately harms society. These things are objectively true, but look at the response from the general public.

Most people really don't care about SJWs outside of the internet. The problem with the new progressives is that they left the incubator of academia early and met the public far before they had proper academic grounding. That resulted in most people ignoring them, and others taking the piss out of them. Most people can honestly say that they've never met an SJW, and many of those that have interacted with them in some form or another haven't really been pushed to the right at all. Instead we get cultural libertarians and the like (Sargon of Akkad, Paul Joseph Watson, etc.) forming a good chunk of the resistance.

These people have also been huge proponents of the Trump phenomenon. Don't get me wrong, part of me is enthused that he won; however, I feel like we're seeing a repeat of the 80s all over again.

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The Left absolutely destroyed society in the 1960s (Sexual revolution, "Egalitarianism," Hart-Cellar Immigration Act, Neomarxism, Postmodernism, etc.). All of their corrosive ideas seeped into the culture and eventually ruined us. Along came the 80s and Reagan, and people had some hope. The problem is that Reagan and his disciples never went far enough. They got complacent, and focused on the economy. The economy improved and the Cold War ended, and the right sat on their hands; they didn't have the sense to go re-litigate those cultural changes.

It seems like the same thing is happening now. A moderate reforming outsider gets voted in, the fringe of the far left is discredited before they can "ripen" & start causing real damage, and a new generation of center-right moderates has been born.

Is there any hope for proper societal restoration, Sup Forums? Or are we just witnessing a pendulum that swings less to the right each cycle?

tl;dr: Would we be better off ultimately if SJWs actually seized power and pushed people to the Far-Right, rather than just milquetoast classical liberals?

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What IF? The Thread.

Here's a What If that doesn't suck; what if Galactus was the nephew of Uncle Ben & Aunt May instead of Peter Parker?

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It's a little more than 'What if' though, user. Maybe this is anecdotal, but it seemed like the actual radical right was doing better back when SJWs were an impending threat.

They're not anymore, and I'm just wondering if anyone here thinks we're seeing history repeat with a complacent right.

>tl;dr: Would we be better off ultimately if SJWs actually seized power and pushed people to the Far-Right, rather than just milquetoast classical liberals?

I honestly believe so. People here will just call me a shill for it. But I'm worried that we elected a right-wing nationalist too early, most of the country wasn't ready to embrace it yet. So instead of an idenitarian renaissance, we will have a big progressive pushback.

And the complaceny annoys me too. I tell people "it's great that Trump won, but we have to keep it in perspective, he lost the popular vote and his voters tend to skew older". And yet they just say "but we won! we have all the power!".

It's true the GOP has all the power right now, but that's moreso because the right people voted in the right places, not because there was some big paradigm shift. In some ways it feels like we are losing the culture war more now than before. When SJWs were a threat, everyone hated them and we were all getting more right-wing, but Trump's victory ended that momentum.

My thoughts exactly. The only thing I was really worried about if Trump lost was the GOPe reestablishing control of the party and implementing a system like superdelegates to fuck over future "threatening outsider candidates" (Honestly, you don't even need superdelegates, just look at what they did to Ron Paul back in 2012).

We'll have to see what happens, but I hope it doesn't end up with Right-wingers thinking 'we won' and then just lying down before the left.

That's my biggest fear. Any thread where I've tried to talk about the dangers of, say, the continuation and acceptance of the sexual revolution, or the fact that feminism is still brewing on University Campuses, I have to deal with people linking to voting trends.

White women broke for Trump 53%. That's fantastic, but it takes a lot more than voting for a moderate paleocon to not be a problem.

It's nice to see someone else has the same concerns I do. I was concerned as to whether or not I fixate too much on concepts like 'accelerationism.'

America is pretty much screwed if you ask me. You're not coming back from liberalism, cultural marxism and feminism. Theyve already damaged society to a point where unless something absolutely drastic were to take place (bigger than trump), your people are going to stay as degenrates.

Having said that, I've noticed same shits taking place in Iran, where im originally from, believe it or not.

>Theyve already damaged society to a point where unless something absolutely drastic were to take place (bigger than trump), your people are going to stay as degenrates.

I was honestly hoping for SJWs continuing to 'ripen' in academia, and hop from the Ivy League to government and media. Eventually there'd have been a much bigger cultural backlash.

Throw in a real economic downturn, and there's a of leverage for proper right-wingers to try and correct the mistakes of the 60s.

You guys are all fuckin idiots
>Wahh were winning now and it doesn't feel like we're losing anymore - that means we're losing wahhhh!!!
How do you even be this retarded

To some extent I agree with this. It really all depends on whether Trump is a success or failure at this point.

It's counterintuitive, I know. Much like Trophy Hunting serving to protect endangered wildlife, or promiscuity tanking birthrates.

The gist is that there was potential to make much bigger and meaningful gains in the future if the left had grown a little more.

Now, like the other user said, we're looking at not only a complacent right, but a potential progressive pushback.

The Far Left is still being coddled on University Campuses, Justice Democrats are planning on primarying establishment Democrats, and what do we have to show thus far? Nothing but a few more cultural libertarians in the mold of Sargon of Akkad.

The mob has gained control. America needs to balkanize at this point. Whites just need to congregate together in one section of the country and secede.

This. Too many on the right have a cuck mentality, they think "let's keep losing just a little more, then people will get fed up and everything will get fixed". Doesn't work like that IRL. Once whites get replaced by low IQ Muslims, niggers, and beaners, it's over. We needed to win this election, and we need trump to act fast to crush the left before they do any more damage.

>Most people really don't care about SJWs outside of the internet.
this is becoming less true every year.
they are a problem that needs to be torn out by the root, and the root is the universities.

lower gov spending and regs si how usa become no1
80s should be repeated forever
the 1880s
1980s were like mildly good but way too much spending
we need to cut gov 99%
remove 99% laws
end al payouts
end fed
end pub school
allow unregualted housign production
factories
fire 99% judges
private cops n fire
end tsa
end nato un etc
end foriegn ais
usa owns iraq and israel

Accelerationism really isn't a 'cuck' mentality, though.

Look at what it took for the NSDAP to come to the fore in Germany. Weimar degeneracy, the KDP hounding people on the streets, etc. Similarly, in Italy, Mussolini prevailed, because Socialists were annexing entire factories in the North, causing all sorts of problems whilst singing "Bandiera Rosa."

In every country where the Far-Right prevailed, things were horrible, and the left was overreaching.

Look at the failures of people like Mosley, etc. Great Britain was largely doing fine (relative to worse off nations) at the time, and consequently the BUF went nowhere.

Plus, do you honestly think America as a whole is salvageable demographically at this point (without drastic action)? Even assuming deportations, we're still on course to become minorities.

A shitload has changed since the 80's. For starters, the right wing is not only about economics anymore, but the alt-right phenomenon also involved the cultural part now.

I don't mean pepe memes and that kiddie shit, but I mean stuff like proper editing, professional production values, good social media presence, high-quality podcasts etc. For example, look at Red Ice.

Left wing is kinda in a tough spot these days, since they have became more entrenched and afraid in 2017 than they were in the Obama years when they were smug and felt invincible. Not only Trump/Brexit, but they invented this Putin-Trump collusion theory that has made them anxious and preoccupied, even to the point appearing paranoid to the normies.

I believe that alt-right ideas will not win overnight, with Trump, not even with the next candidate, and there will be setbacks, but in our lifetimes, in 20-50 years, we will see a huge resurrection of right-wing movements and even some far-right ideas making it to the mainstream. My 6th sense kinda tells me anyway that this alt-right thing is not a temporary phase, but it grows massive in the coming decades and influences the whole right-wing politics in the west in a significant manner.

The 80s sucked. The right focused too much on the size of government and economic issues. All of the excesses of the Left from two decades prior were left completely in check.

sjw was a laughingstock even among leftists for long, though.

Yeah, it was probably too early. That being said, Hillary is a globalist piece of shit and I'm supportive of any damage they take as it makes me happy. Continue to enjoy the ride, it'll still be great.

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Even though the right is not a fundamentally broken concept, it's hard to argue the fact that it houses a very vocal toxic side.

fuck no they absolutely deserve it for all the bullshit the past half decade

The same can be said of literally any group.

Yes, but the alt-right generally tends to be more on the nose with it's method of attacking people.

Substantiate your claims or fuck off.

Literally every group has people that are terrible human beings and unless you can prove in any sort of way that the "alt-right" is worse than any other group then all you're doing is spouting bullshit based on your misguided beliefs.

OP is same paid shills as always

earlier threads were about 'now ethnonationalism will lose its bite'

sage goes in options field to prevent bumps

I posted before Trump won, that it would be bad for the Right if he does badly as President, and the left will get more powerful. That it would be better if Trump lost, and we continue opposition. But this was posted on 8ch, and the responses were retarded. I'm surprised I wasn't banned on the spot, since their moderator kids are faggots.

nothing has changed cent higher regulation and gov spending and even shittier media

Okay, I will admit that that particular statement was flawed, so I'll present another point: the right and the left must co-exist for proper political freedom. Same with the radical left and the radical right.

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the left must be crush and deported for political freedom

That I can agree with. Both sides spend far too much time attacking the other instead of working together on things that actually matter.

>implying I'm a shill when I've explicitly refrained from making this subject during the election and am currently warning against complacency.

Back to r/theDonald, retard.

I don't think Trump will perform poorly. I honestly think once the administration finds footing he'll be able to strengthen the economy and most likely be able to be a two-termer. I mean, the Democrats are currently in disarray what with Chunk Yogurt and the TYT/Justice Democrats actually beginning to pose a threat. It's very likely they might try Warren 2020 to unify the party to some degree. A Politico/Morning Consult poll about a month ago suggests that Trump would win against her.

I'm just of the opinion that we have to hit absolute rock bottom before things improve, and I'm worried that all those Right-Wing gains are doing is keeping us from that spot.

In a sense, it's of the same logic as Jordan Peterson's thinking that the neomarxists have to be neutered and the individual needs to be strengthened. He obviously wants that, and fears the far-right as much as the left, I'd rather enjoy the consequences of a far more radical right triumphing after some serious hardships.

Define the vocal toxic side. Who are you referring to specifically?

Hillary was a complete piece of trash, that's true. I was genuinely concerned about things like amnesty and her inevitable push towards ceding American sovereignty (Goldman Sachs is already theorizing a North American Union, then Hillary envisions North and South America having no borders to people or money, per leaked speech transcripts).

They are, that's the problem. Nobody's going to react harshly against someone like Dave Rubin. Hand the reigns to any run of the mill SJW and people get yanked hard to the right.

I genuinely hope you're right user.

Yes, we have to co-exist with the left to some degree, but the "Left" as it has been from the 20s to present needs to be demolished in its entirety.

It's nothing but neomarxists peddling dangerous social, demographic, cultural and moral changes that ultimately make the nation worse.

Sexual Revolution, Feminism, Open Borders, Non-discriminatory immigration, etc. This needs to be stopped completely, and I'm more than willing to sacrifice "political freedom" to do that.

Black Pigeon Speaks recently did a video about paleocons and alt-righters punching right and I think he and you are spot on. The important thing between all enemies of globalism - ancaps, libertarians, national socialists, civic and ethnic nationalists, primitivists, legit conservatives, classic liberals, and even non-globalist fucking commies - is that we work together to defeat corporate and elite driven gobalism which is the enemy of all of us. And I think, maybe, things have not gotten bad enough for those right wing spectrum anti-globalist ideologies to cohere enough to turn the tide. Factionalization is too real and too exploitable by the left and globalists. With changing demography, that's really scary.