Communism general

Hello Comrades. This general is for the discussion of Marxism-Leninism, the ideology of revolutionary socialism and communism.

Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage.

What exactly is communism according to Marxist-Leninists:

>Communism is a stage of society in which the productive infrastructure is socially owned, and goods are produced not in order to sell for profit, but in order to meet a social need.
>Communism in it's full form is a stateless, classless society that follows the maxim "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need."
>To achieve such a society Marxism-Leninism teaches us that we must replace the capitalist state, which is controlled by the capitalist class, by a socialist state, which is controlled by the working class. Then, a period of class struggle follows in which the capitalist class is liquidated by the working class. When the capitalist class has been completely vanquished, there will be only one class, the working class, and eventually the functions of the state will become indistinguishable from the functions of the society as a whole, and the state as such will 'wither away' as Marx said.
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/

ML uses a philosophy called dialectical materialism, see here:
marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1938/09.htm

It is recommended that you read some of the critical works of Marxism-Leninism so you can make an informed assessment of the ideology.

Resources:
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/sw/
marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/sw/
marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/decades-index.htm
marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1884/origin-family/
marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1914/mar/11.htm

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Get a job pedro

>from each according to his ability, to each according to his need

Do you need your smartphone? What about your car? Do you need such a big home when others have nothing? Could it be that you're just a fucking loser with a massive ego making excuses for why you're a complete loser?

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Saged.

Saged again because fuck marxism.

name one successful marxist state.

failing that, name one marxist state that had a higher standard of living than the present day USA - since you believe capitalism is failing, should be easy.

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Holy shit are Ukrainians that poor? That's insane. Like Belarus I get but fucking Ukraine?

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Why do you think Ukraine are the niggers of Europe.

You igonore posts like this , and just go on shitposting.
Its the sheer laziness of what you do hat bothers me. You dont have a job, you generally plan this bullshit with a couple of other fuckheads and post the same shitty pictures, cut and paste the same crap from wikipedia and ignore the same reasonable questions everytime. With no job you should be doing a better job than this.

fake my country is not that rich
Netherlands, germany, denmark are weathy than us

He's a bot, you know.

communists want to destroy anime

they admit they want to literally MURDER the great people that create anime

they're anti-humanist and anime is about humanism and humanist feels

they think being kawaii is a bourgeois construct

We need to kill every single one of them to save anime.

Meh Eastern Europe is still a shithole because of Communism, that's what I'm tryna prove.

If only that were true. He cant even figure out how to use a proxy.

Why do socialists think they will gain anything from taking over the means of production?

Why are they stupid enough to think their personal material wealth will somehow increase when in reality it won't?

This is probably the biggest hole in socialist theories yet hardly anyone here talks about it.

>communist revolution
>take every last penny from capitalists
>divided up amongst everyone it works out to about $500 per person(yes that little)
>go to spend that money
>prices increase because no new consumer goods are produced in this situation
>workers are in the same exact situation they were the revolution but now the economy is completely destroyed

OR

>communist revolution
>every consumer good the capitalists own is split up and given to the workers
>it's such an extremely small amount of goods that not even 1% of workers will be able to get any of this

OR

>communist revolution
>money is abolished
>workers take over the means of production completely
>the same exact quantity of consumer goods that was being produced under capitalism are again produced
>the working class has to work JUST AS HARD and JUST AS LONG as they did under capitalism to produce the same amount of shit they were previously consuming
and this scenario is forgetting about the economic calculation problem and the fact economies like this never work.


Either way you go about this there's no getting "MUH SURPLUS VALUE" back. 99.5% of the consumer goods the working class was producing was already being consumed and owned by the working class, not the capitalists. The capitalists own only extremely small amounts of consumer goods(houses, cars boats, tvs, food, porn, medicine) compared to what the whole working class owns.

>implying lefts care about your propaganda

>actually objective facts about the physical world are propaganda

lmao you ACTUALLY think you can get your "surplus value" or "full product of your labour" back

AHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA

You have no argument and it must really upset you.

You people are truly a cult and you don't even try to deny it.

GUISE

THE CAPITALIST SYSTEM WILL COLLAPSE ANY DAY NOW BECAUSE UHHHH

CAPITAL ACCUMULAT-
Oh wait that was debunked in the 1800s, okay then.

By AUTOMATION!!!
Yeah that's right we're actually dumb enough to use the "automation destroys jobs argument" because it's all we have left.

Welcome to the Communism General thread, here we discuss:

>How to live on cow shit and pick out nutritious parts of the fecal matter to live another day
>How to properly live in a society where dissent is punished, and how to hide your own thoughts
>How to climb over an electric fence, and maneuvering around burnt corpses stuck to the fence
>How to pretend you're dead after the firing squad misses you in the line of people
>How to cope with having the government taking away 98% of your crops and how to live on the rest for a whole year
>How to boil boots and make boot soup
>How to deal with your wife leaving you for another man and how to cope with the fact she has been fucking this man for months while you love her
>How to turn that anger into love for communism
>How to raise and love a child who isn't yours
>Gloating about how we are so different because we have a fringe ideology!!
>How to notice when one of your friends is OD'ing on heroin and how to help them

Making fun of Communism and our glorious economic system is NOT tolerated and may be punishable by death.

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Communism is a Jewish plot to raise totalitarian dictarorships

still decides to post on pol

>commies coplain about surplus value
>except even if you are 100% right(which you aren't), surplus value is required to invest in new capital to employ more people. You'd still need to extract surplus value from the workers to merely put other workers to work. You need to extract some amount of wealth for the system to merely manage it, because if you don't, society would collapse.
Meaning, best case scenario, in a revolution that takes all your commie theories seriously, you won't be able to get any "surplus value" from your revolution.

Well, but of course, the problem with calculation, the lack of incentives, and the lack of a financial market would be enough to collapse with your society anyway.

Does this sound like propaganda to you? Why are you so undialectical comrade?

These threads only prove that communists have no argument whatsoever.

These should be refereed to the official redpill against communism threads.

also diaLELtical materialism is pseudoscience on par with scientology.

Keep posting here, based HUEHUE

Marxists get really upset when you destroy the fundamental ideas in their bullshit theories.

That's the kind of shit we should stick too.

Honestly this.
>the low energy spanish shitposter
>the one colgate fag
>the one burger who vaguely tries
These threads are great.

REMEMBER TO EMBRACE HELICOPTERISM

The way I've always looked at it as a left is sturdy hell vs weak heaven. I'd rather it did collapse than it be as it is.

All you need to know of sick commie bastards is this:
> the theory of the Communists may be summed up in the single sentence: Abolition of private property
youtube.com/watch?v=qTYSv_YQOVo

Marxism is for faggots. Pic unrelated.

How is it that you could be so entitled to think that you own the very earth? And I bet you don't even own land, go rent shit for eternity and pretend you're not acting like the left.

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My problem with communism is the lack of goal for people, people have no reason to work as hard or discover/create new things, for me the best way to do it is to put strict laws on working conditions, reduces taxes for businesses, taxes income a lot more and put a tax on inherited money and estate. And create nationally owned businesses, to provide people with an alternative.

>too intelligent to pretend to be retarded to avoid jews killing you

Who are you to tell me I don't own shit?
In soviet russia land is dead because it didn't belong to noone for a century. You faggots don't even have a bit of remorse for what you did.
You savage culture didn't invent honour, you don't know what it is. You're like bitches even when you're male. Shame on you, uneducatable scum, you don't own shit, so instead of finding yourself something you'd better forbid others from their ownership. Look at those countries you destroyed, go live there, enjoy, suck on it

>posting 2 dialectically opposed things
Why?
Communists hate anime and claim they want to destroy it because it's capitalist and bourgeoisie as fuck.

There's nothing more kawaii than throwing marxists out of helicopters.

I know I'm replying to a bot though.

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wrong pic

both pics are good です

YOUR IDEOLOGY IS A SHIT.
PEOPLE MUST BE DIFFERENT

WE MUST BUILD A LIFE, BUT NOT A FUCKING SYSTEM

Oh god it's Spaintard again with his tired, retarded thread again...you do know this shit just gets hidden as soon as we insult you yea? goodbye fgt

sage

If Communism has proven to be good at anything, it is population reduction. Pic related.

meh, I already know that any commie that replied would talk about how great kibbutz are and mention that one socialist republic that existed for like 3 years and managed to not shoot a bunch of its citizens. then probably lies about how amazing cuban and soviet medicine were.

Many fled only to live in misery of constant pretence, many more didn't manage.
We call what happened here "negative selection" - there're two ways to become better then the others: 1) you become better yourself, 2) you make others worse. (jews cannot become better because they're entitled to their holy shit scripture, same with mudslime who are another religion to control those who repel christendom.

>get born into world
>everyone fighting over land
>now you have to too
>wish there was a government that protected you from such animals fighting over resources
It is not who I am, mister egotistical, it's what I'm not; an animal chimping out at anything that trespasses into my nest. You are the savage.

At least they seem in shape

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>many fled
Not so smart.

gud 4 da ecoonmeeee tho

>I want to destroy all of society, culture and the basic senses of humanity that pervade moral philosophy throughout history, all because it falls short of my heavenly vision of a true utopia

And thus the leftard reveals his true mindset. A nihilistic, destructive trance void of any good, virtuous, beauteous or constructive thoughts. A desire to destroy, decay, erode and decompose society from the top down and the ground up simultaneously. After all, men are only truly equal once they have reached the black, hopeless nihility that awaits our supposedly godless spirits at the end of our Earthly sojourn.

>then probably lies about how amazing cuban and soviet medicine were.
their healthcare was fucking atrocious lmao

it was so bad they had a separate system just for high ranking members of the party

If society survives then it survives. If not, why let the hell evolve to be stronger?

Jordan Peterson would probably agree with this statement.

Dialectical materialism is pseudoscience.

I can't believe they actually believe this shit.

If you think your life is hell you should kill yourself before those around you, and escape to the universal equality of death's embrance.

Presumptuous to think you know what happens after death.

Remember to sage low-energy /leftypol/ threads!

I fixed it. Use this one instead.

>no economic or social theory is obliged to come up with correct predictions
well, isn't that fucking convenient?

bbbut you murdered all the employers
< it's okay, because now the labour force builds monuments and a wall to keep people in.

He absolutely would my friend.

hey retard, posting pictures automatically bumps threads and overrides sages

kek

It's too late he already bumbed it :3

And the next left thread will probably be better regardless.

>hey retard, posting pictures automatically bumps threads and overrides sages
This was never proven in a court of law.

Чeм дaльшe oт мocквы тeм мeньшe coвeтcкoй влacти
The further from moscow, the less the soviet state. (a poorly translated soviet proverb)
And you would live a live of a scumbag instead, not caring of becoming a scumbag yourself? You so smart!

What is the problem with government owned companies ?

Everything the government touches becomes overpriced, half-assed, and late.
Why would you want the government to run anything important?

Have you been in one recently? Those long queueues and fuck-you attitude? Now imagine every employee is as useless as a government clerk.

Communist societies suppressed religious expression and theistic thought. I am not presuming what happens after death, I am presuming what you think happens after death based on what you've exposed of your philosophy.

And, if it's presumptuous to say that there is equality in the afterlife, either in existence or nonexistence, you then suppose that the possibility is there that socioeconomic inequality is by fiat a moral good due to the arbitration of a supreme deity. Such suggestions are of course usually sent to the gulag or shot in the back of the head and rolled down a hill in your ideal society, almost like the ostrich sticking its head in the sand: "If there is nobody alive to voice their opposing interpretations of morality, our interpretations must be, as a consequence, undeniably true."

I had to fork out 100 dollarydoos for a fucking fingerprinting at a police station. The cunt took 5 fucking minutes to do.

But communism worked so well for your country

Cause the government wouldn't put horse meat in lasagna of feed fish to cows, cause it's less expensive. The government is for the people privately owned companies are for more profit.

hahaha, fuck you

Actually famalam, I'm a militan agnostic. People with faith in anything piss me off. You don't know.

go die in gulags

Yeah our railway system is government property and it's one of the best.

This wasn't the case before democracy tbqhwyf.

>Cause the government wouldn't put horse meat in lasagna of feed fish to cows, cause it's less expensive.
No, the government would run both those things by so many bureaucracies that all demand payment for doing nothing that the end product would be 300% more expensive than anyone can afford.

Who is those who make all the work? Is it a private company under competition or is it a state owned company backed with state capital? I didn't check it, but I'm quite aware it's the former. You wanna know how I know it?

Not funny mate, haven't you seen Hard to Be a God?

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Then we should change how the government works. Government is the safest way to do things.

In your aggressive neutrality and lack of faith you've adopted one of the most dogmatic and faith-based ideologies imaginable, which promises an eternal paradise on Earth in exchange for works and lifelong faith in communist doctrine, and it's for your own good that your questioning mind be sent to re-education camps so you can learn the virtues of being a good communist, so you and your family too can experience the paradise that awaits in time when the eternal process of "collectivization" is complete the world over.

We should prohibit government as a crimnal structure. What they do is terror and racket. You don't notice it because too many business people put those clerks in place every day.

It's not about faith, it just makes sense.

I checked and it was no build by a private company. The private sector wasn't intrested

No the government is the spine of the country without it the whole thing crumbles, taxes a needed to run a moral society. it's not racket if you don't want to be taxed go ahead and leave the country.

But it is, and it doesn't. You in your current state of mind are inseparable from the rabid evangelicals who claim to not just believe, but KNOW that god is real, and in their ignorant haze they produce arguments about various physical phenomena and historical events which to them make perfect sense, and due to their mental biases will always forever be superior to any alternative theories or hypotheses. The problem with communism, like religion, is all its doctrine is based on several foregone conclusions about worker "exploitation" and the virtues of collectivization, and because they are foregone you can never discuss the affluence of the working class in the West as an opposing point, because no matter how affluent they are, they are still being "exploited" because their labor is bought by a private corporation in a negotiated contract, rather than by the state (which communists falsely see as being interchangeable with "the people") and in absence of contract.

Nice job, clerk. Now tell me what company actually produced this train.

is this it lads?
will the rampant capitalism we are starting to see through the trump administration lead to seizing of the means?

>if you don't want to be taxed go ahead and leave the country.
oh really? if you don't want to pay the racketeers go ahead and leave the market.
(as if there's a place on this planet where they don't milk us no matter if we want their services or not)

I don't fucking know, and what ? The company is government owned, never pretended like everything in it was, I wish it was but it isn't. The trains aren't build by the state and what ?