Are these institutions actually socialist?

Are these institutions actually socialist?

No, fire departments are a necessary evil because if my neighbor's house catches fire and he has nobody to put the fire out my house may catch fire.


Highways are largely privately built and contracted through the state.

The other two yes.

>under 50 and liking social security
I hope no one honestly falls for that Corrupt pyramid scheme

Fire Departments are not socialist, they are paid for a service. That service is the same as insurance. If a fire happens, they stop it, if not they still get paid.
Public Schools are not socialist, you have the choice to send your child to a private school and no longer pay taxes for public schools.
Highways are not socialist, I pay taxes so that the road I use to go places is repaired. The taxes are done by county, not state or country.
Social Security is socialist, it is also completely useless and I would not ever like the idea. As it's a waste of money.

Public schools are fucking shit
Public highways i dont give a shit about, should be toll based though.
Social Security is a fucking scam. Learn to save money or die young. Either way, not my problem.
Fire departments, dont particularly give a shit.

FDRs been dead for 72 years, and he's still fucking up America

Because it relies on new payers to pay off older payers
A Ponzi scheme in a nutshell

Fire Dept in most swiss towns are run by citizens. We donate our time to the fire brigades. It's more tribal than socialist though.

Fuck socialism. Its for retarded thieving retarded jelous poorfaggos

>Are these institutions actually socialist?
Still in high school bucco?

ITT: Children who still suckle at their parents teats complain about "socialism".

Thanks for the laugh trumpcucks

If you honestly think you're ever going to see a penny of what your or I have paid in you're very Naive.

You pay taxes for public schools no matter where you send your kids.

Fuck Social Security, we should gut it right now so we can fuck over boomers for once instead of letting them suck it dry and then leave us with nothing after they die

They're social programs but they aren't the only important thing in socialism.

They have literally nothing to do with socialism. Fire departments, public schools, and highways are just government services and social security is something created specifically as an alternative to socialism.

>Learn to save or die young

I can actually get behind this. With the savings vehicles we have available, today, social security for the elderly should be unnecessary. Rather than taxing the fuck out of people, straining it through endless adminsitrative costs, and then giving a little bit back at the end, it would be far more prudent to simply let people keep their own money.

The American government has effectively mastered the art of taking $100 from you, giving you back $10, and then saying 'See, without us, you wouldn't have that ten dollars."

Aren't highways the polar opposite to mass transportation like metro and buses? That pic is fucking bullshit.

Social security is the blight of western civilization.

It's a pyramid scheme that requires immigration to keep it from collapsing. It's also one of the main driving forced behind low birth rates among whites because children aren't required to provide for retirement.

>t.Britain
Private school and Home schooler parents get tax credits for either program.
You still have to pay the taxes, but you also get more money back than you put in during refund season. As you are saving the government a shit ton of money. Most states also offer tax credits for both programs.
Educate yourself retard, before making such a stupid fucking comment again.

other than social security, no

I hate all those things!

All of the above would work better if it was privatized.

>Rather than taxing the fuck out of people, straining it through endless adminsitrative costs, and then giving a little bit back at the end, it would be far more prudent to simply let people keep their own money.
The American insurance system is fucking stupid, though. Pharmaceutics companies continue driving the prices up because they know insurance companies are sure to reimburse it, which leads to charges continuously growing, putting even more burden at the end on the sick person. And if they don't have a good enough insurance plan, then paying the fee upfront will put them in debt for a decade if not more.

If you're talking about simply getting rid of insurance companies and paying any hospital fee with one's own money, then that means the poor are basically guaranteed not to be able to be hospitalised.

No. Public service spending is not inherently Marxist, Republicans constantly accusing it of being so was one of the biggies that led to do many people thinking Marxism is good, as well as why actual Marxists were able to go largely unnoticed by the public.

Democratic Socialism is not Social Democracy. People like Sanders make the line blurred because they are Marxists who pretend to be Social Democrats.

Keep the Fire Department.

Schools and Highway construction should be privatized and handed to the most competitive bidder. Lower infrastructure taxes and better quality work at twice the construction time guarenteed.

Social Security needs to end. It's literally theft of a younger generation who would rather invest in their own retirement plans than be forced to pay into a shitty system that WILL eventually collapse.

Government subsidies literally guarantee that a provider of a service will be paid, no matter what they charge.

When a provider does not have to ensure affordability to draw clients, they simply won't. Don't you find it interesting that the three most expensive aspects of American life also happen to be the ones most heavily subsidized? Meanwhile, unsubsidized plastic surgery can now be done on your lunch break and have you back in the office in time to finish your fucking McRib.

When it doesn't have to be affordable, it won't be.

>Highway construction should be privatized and handed to the most competitive bidder.

We do this in California.
It doesn't work well because the construction companies are never taken to task for shitty work.

Most construction companies able to low bid end up folding within a year or two, and CalTrans is left holding the rubble and held accountable for something they didn't design or build.

>having a basic society means you have to accept black women with clipboards in your life 24/7

>Government subsidies literally guarantee that a provider of a service will be paid, no matter what they charge.
The same thing happens when going through a private insurer, though.
I mean, sure, if your healthcare plan doesn't cover your sickness, the service provider (hospital) won't win any money, but at the same time, your citizens are going to get heavily indebted.

>When a provider does not have to ensure affordability to draw clients, they simply won't.
Except it already happens. See how healthcare costs in the western world are the highest in the US. SIngle-payer healthcare simply makes people pay less overall.

>Don't you find it interesting that the three most expensive aspects of American life also happen to be the ones most heavily subsidized?
Which ones, exactly? I'm not really well-informed on government involvement in America, sorry.

Housing, healthcare, and education are overwhelmingly subsidized, and also, coincidentally, all three sectors just happen to have endlessly ballooning costs. Endless money from government sources inoculates these sectors from market forces; they no longer need to provide better service at lower cost to draw clients, because the value equation is skewed.

They get paid whether the client can afford it or not, and the client doesn't think their services are overpriced because, almost universally, the actual costs are muddy to determine, and often not known for sure until after the services are rendered.

Kind of, what liberals wont tell you is that a free market exists above it.

We have the option of public or private.

Socialism is when the public option is the only option.

How the fuck are highways socialist? Its the most capitalistic and industrious icon on the face of the earth next to the skyscraper.

Exept the first, its a necessary military-like force to figth disasters.

>social security

Who the FUCK likes social security that isn't a boomer faggot? What a fucking scam. Just let me keep my money.

this.

Insurance companies set up fire stations so in fact the ppposite

>The government funding basic services is 'socialism'

Pinochet was a socialist
Mussolini was a socialist
Franco was a socialist

Government utilities aren't socialist unless you are defining any gov agency as socialist

I would go so far to say democrat socialists aren't really socialist except some crypto commies in their ranks. Still on the authoritarian side though

>Housing, healthcare, and education are overwhelmingly subsidized, and also, coincidentally, all three sectors just happen to have endlessly ballooning costs.
Pardon me if I seem ignorant on the issue, but how is housing subsidized, for example?

Also, when you talk about education, do you refer to high school education or post-secondary? I assume you mean college-level.

What I do know is that education costs in France are extremely low, despite having quality education.

When you talk about "overwhelmingly subsizdized" healthcare, do you refer to medicaid?

Aside from social security, libertarians agree with all that. We aren't AnCap.

A better argument you could make is that many states are overtly socialist - in a number of states, for example, the sale of hard liquor is completely controlled by the state government. Private grocery stores, gas stations, etc. cannot legally sell liquor. Only government-owned ABC stores can. This is the case in Virginia, which may surprise you if you've ever been there, considering how utterly shitty our infrastructure is. You'd think the liquor sales revenue might go to something useful like, say, roads that aren't covered with potholes.

Are they in collective ownership? If yes its socialism.

the first fire departments in Ancient Rome were private businesses

>Highways

>regards any common effort as socialist

most retarded pic ever

they come up with good ideas though before the facts like restaurant taxes, then whne that goes crazy enough for them and teh bootlegger money stops coming in, they come up with, tourism taxes.. like anybody cares

Fucking this. Some tards in brit/pol/ think the welfare state is fine and the problem is with immigration, without realising these programs depend on an ever increasing population. You tax people more, they have less disposable income and they end up having fewer kids than the previous generation. Only way to keep it going is to bring in third worlders that have no problem with their birth rates.

No. Socialism is the public ownership of the means of production. Check out pre-Thatcher UK for an example of real socialism: the phone, gas, oil, coal, steel, auto, shipbuilding, aerospace, and railroad industries were all government-owned.

I beg your pardon

>they have less disposable income and they end up having fewer kids than the previous generation
How are these two at all related?

Free helicopter ride for you, OP

No. Highways and schools are privileges. Food is not.

>protecting MUH PRIVATE PROPERTY is a necessary evil
>making sure old people have enough to eat isn't necessary

WEW

>Highways are largely privately built and contracted through the state.

Not in all states. Some have in-house construction.

no socialism is a social construct; therefore a concept, and not a valid fucking point

By your own logic Social Security isn't socialist because you have the option of working a job that doesn't pay into SS.

>Highways are largely privately built and contracted through the state.

to the same people and the workers dont get state paid wages ..?

Social securities can be paid by companies, as pensions.
Public schools are pure shit and highways can be paid by investors. Smaller roads probably wont

Of course not.

It's retarded liberal logic. You steal a bunch of people's money blow at least half of it on you bureaucratic machine, steal some more for your corrupt dealings as a politician. Then you throw some pennies back at the plebs you just robbed through shitty public works/institutions and if anyone speaks out against it you just claim they hate the thing you spent those pennies on, instead of being robbed and then given a cigar out of their own box as we say in Holland

>And the reason 90% of Western populations fall for this shit is in the top right corner btw.

If socialism is defined as a stepping stone to communism then no they are not. But I think it is more useful to define Socialism as anywhere not on the extreme ends of the collectivism continuum between Anacap on one end and Communism on the other extreme.

There is nothing socialist about Fire Departments or muh fucking roads, that shit dates back to the fucking Middle-Ages when kings subsidized a royal fire-fighting organization while roads were frequently made by the military.

Public schools, especially in Burgerstan, are a complete garbage and waste of massive amounts of money and "Social Security" just fuels the poverty for the parasite class.

10/10 bait, made me respond

wtf i like socialism now, ty agitprop

That's probably why your fire departments are voted as one of the worst in Europe.

>taxpayer funded programs only started in the mid 19th century

That's why Rome always burnt down isn't it?

There are a lot of socialists on this site desu

>requires immigration
This is so stupid. They force it down our throats that the world is over populated, scare us that we will ruin our lives by having children, and birth control for every female.

Then they tell us that our birth rate is to low and we should rely on low iq immigration to fix the Ponzi scheme they set up. You can't expect me to believe that a huge population that hands over a majority sum of their income back to their home country is going to foot the bill for this.

(((They))) really pulled one over on us this time didn't they.

Highways are fascist. Read your history.

>only genuinely good thing you listed
>cancer
>"muh roads"
>cancer

I don't know how it is for everyone else but in Salt Lake City where I live, the ambulance is also part of the fire department and the 10 minute ride I took a few months back cost me about 1900$.

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Yes, but there is no good reason for them to be. A fire department can fall under the purview of a private security contract with an insurer along with other property protection services. There are already private highways, Social security was a mistake and private schools vastly out-perform public ones. People treat the government like its Santa Claus or something. We'd be better off without it. Pic obviously related.

well the first fire departments were more of a clever scheme than a public service. Marc Antony (probably fucked up the spelling) got super rich off of it. it works like this:
>pleb's house catches on fire
>show up at the scene with your firefighters
>offer to put out the fire in exchange for payment (in the form of the property said burning house is sitting on)
>pleb agrees because they are panicked and can't think rationally because their house is on fire
>put out fire
>since you now own the property, evict the pleb
>you just snagged a house at pretty much no cost
>sell it as real estate
it's very clever but also scummy

>this woman was a JEW
Why are you fucks always right?

Hello Ben Shaprio

Metaxas was a fascist and he introduced Social Security to Greece in the 30's.

That's how it is here in Phoenix.
Firemen are first responders.
Just drive yourself to Urgent Care unless you are bleeding to death or having a heart attack.
Calling an ambulance is way too expensive.

Socialists are so starved of none of their experiments working that they call anything remotely related to social spending "socialist"… if we follow their stupid logic we have been living in socialism for longer than the fucking stupid political theory was even born.

>all these famously shit systems are socialist
rly makes u think

Raising children costs money, white people aren't irresponsible so they don't have children they can't afford.

Theres nothing wrong with socialism in a homogenous society of civilized white people.

this is an internet websdite not a socialist one. it becomes socialists,when spies run it

The word "socialism" feels useless these days. It has gone through so many different definitions that it means nothing at all. Better to just throw the word in the garbage, and talk instead of how you want to spend tax dollars and for what purpose.

They're "socialist" to fringe Americunt AnCaps/Republicans/Neocons/Kosher Conservatives

Not socialist to anyone else

It's like dealing with rural Afghans, who think Weather Forecasting is sorcery (seriously)

Pic related and important

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