Thoughts on Sir Oswald?

Could he have saved Britain if he had more time? And what are your thoughts on his wife?

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Diana, Lady Mosley (1910 - 2003)

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A gentleman and a scholar.

Certainly. But let's just say for a second he had more time. Before anti - fascist sentiment had really kicked in. What would the world look like today?

An interesting character. Would be interesting to see how the world would have turned out if he would have become Prime Minister. I suspect England would have never declared war on Germany and neither would have France.

He's well spoken, well educated and fought an extraordinarily similar battle in the streets of England to what Hitler and his SA did in Germany. The power of England under his control would have probably created a renaissance that would have surpassed the rest of the world.

There's something eerie about watching his old interviews he had years after the war ended and he could more openly talk to the public. Like watching a man who was existing in the wrong timeline. He deserved much more respect than he was given in his life and jeered and treated as a joke when he has always fought for what is best for England and his people.

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Comepletely agree. The smear against him even to this day is so blatant and disgusting. He's not even respected for his service in the First World War. That frost interview is a perfect example.

It pains me to watch this. He was just trying to preserve his people and save his nation, now England is slowly rotting because of a bunch of Pakistani's.

It eerily reminds me of us. If only we had listened to George Washington when he told us to remain neutral and stray away from the 2 party system.

>tfw no 10/10 aristocratic fascist gf

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>wants peace
>wants to stop the exploitation of 3rd world countries
>commies start ruckus
>blackshirt responds by throwing them out
>mosley says we can't start unlawful and should abide the law
>one of his faggot members starts the anti-semitic shit even though mosley was against it
>government bans political uniforms
>subsequently thrown into jail along with wife (lovely and intelligent btw)
>commies still out and about rubbing their greedy jewish hands
>WWII breaks out

fucking brits

>>wants to stop the exploitation of 3rd world countries
This is why i dont like him

He's to left wing for me

ITT, kids who know nothing about what they are talking about.

>British Union of Fascists
>left wing

Are you two serious? Who do you think the exploitation of the 3rd world benefits the most? I'll give you a little hint: it wasn't the white working class of the 20th century.

Edit misread yours sorry -->

>Reminder that he was voted worst Briton of the 20th century in a BBC History Magazine poll
I was going to post this interview. He's like an IRL character from Camp of the Saints. You can see a shocking difference between pre and post-war Mosley. Before it he's trying to rile people up and win but afterwards he seems to have accepted the Blackpill and only keep up appearances in case the 0.00001% chance of the country waking up and wanting him comes to be. Which of course it never did. I'd imagine that if a new politician with his charisma and sense were to emerge now making the same speeches they'd do very well for themselves. It took a while, but Britons seem to be fairly well aware now that globalisation is a pretty shit meme.

np m8

Lady Mosley was something else
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>no fucks given when she told them she admired Hitler

Yea! You'd be hard pressed to find any girls like her in the world today. I doubt any still exists. She was just pure class.

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THE GOVERNMENT OF THE WORLD IS THE FINANCIAL GOVERNMENT.

THE POWER OF MONEY, AND OF MONEY ALONE.

Too soft on the tories and the jews

He was right about literally everything and got jewed into prison so they could launch the war against Germany.

With him in England could have stayed out of WW2 like Sweden.

Poland would have caved to German demands for Danzig, without Britians promise of security, they would have to negotiate with Hitler. France would not have entered the war either then.

Eventually Hitler. May have defeated the Soviets by taking Moscow and beyond by 1944. True negotiated. Stalin deposed from the inside.
Many new client states of of Western USSR.

But this is all predicated on Sir Oswald Mosely having come into a position of power. The only way his movement could have gained enough seats to swing the Tories into a Coalition is major shift in world politics.

Say like the USA falling to a socialist revolution in 1933 at the height of the depression. This was impossible due to the march of progressiveness, putting most working class into the democrat camp with the New Deal.

But only something like that occurring, in conjunction with the spanish revolution and the french communist left agitating; would create a red scare great enough to be open to fascism and swing right.

Britain would have retained its Empire quite possibly for the rest of the 20th century.

He could have taken over a main party, other than that no he'd never have accomplished anything.

Based on an ATHL timeline

Love the guy, he got me into fascism.

If Hitler wasn't a tard who tried to take over the world Mussolini and Franco's regimes would have lasted and Mosley would have eventually gotten to power.

Oswald a gent, GENT!

It was actually Mussolini who tried to take over the world

Whats interesting is the stuff he talks about is relevant today. As if he were a person alive now discussing it.
It's also super grounded in reality and relevant to ordinary people unlike every other political group i've ever heard.

Dude...you should read Hitlers tabletalk. It will literall blow your mind.

I doubt he wanted the world. There were plans to populate the conquerored eastern territory with hardy peasant-soldiers (wehrbauer) who would be able to resist future invasions from the Far East and insure the dominance of the Germanic settlers over the surrounding Slavic populate, among other things. Certainly had they gotten the lebensraum they deemed necessary, they may have gone for more. But it's up for debate I'd say.

Thats the power of the leftist msm they have always gloated over their ability to destroy peoples credibility by owning all means of communications and rewriting history and the narrative of the country.
You really are in a different timeline when dealing with leftists because there is no connection to reality.

This is really the only problem I have with Mosley. WW2 was generally horrible in how it worked out, but who can say any alternative could have gone better? Say that it was only delayed, and led to a conflict between bigger and more consolidated powers using cold-war era weaponry. Hitler seems like the type who would have used nukes for sure.

Why would Hitler have nuked Britain which he admired if it didnt even declare war on him?

You are committing shitty-timeline justification

This made me really sad. Especially at the end that faggy interview constantly telling Mosley that he failed and that he's a failure, when it's clear he's lived his life really caring about his nation and his people. He lived his whole life trying to do good, and he's finally an old man, waiting for his nation to call on him while he's still sharp as a tac, and some young little faggot has the nerve to tell what looks to be a kind old man that he's a failure. who the fuck can do that? It seems symbolic of the young smug left telling the old spirit of the west that it's failed.

Why did the japs attack pearl harbour , why did germany rocket Britain...

Don't worry Mosley didn't fail. As long as people like you appreciate it.

I'm saying that if war weren't declared when it was who's to say that it would never have happened? Britain and Germany were both ambitious countries with plans for empire-building. A clash doesn't seem impossible, even if they did have governments that liked each other. And the Nazi's zeal probably could have led to last-minute nuking. These guys were pushing out children to fight the Soviets in the end, I think that that's a good sign that in desperate enough times anything would have been considered viable. But then again maybe if nukes were created in peace-time they'd never have been used at all.

Shame about all those East-asians who would be faced with an unopposed genocide without American intervention though. No WW2 means that colonial powers get to keep colonizing. Fine for us, but if you're a Chinese you get 731'd and nobody's even left to make a movie out of your agonizing death 50 years later.

Did all of this happen before or after Britain declared war on Germany? (And arrested Rudolf Hess for daring to bring a peace offer in person and sentence him to life in prison and murder him before the prison is torn off )

Hitler thought it was idiodic of the Japanese to be at war with the Chinese. You assume Hitler had a say in what the Japanese do. If he had they would have attacked Siberia.

A Britain under Mosley would have at least aided the third Reich with materials or even with volunteer Legions.

Britain would have ruled the waves and Germany the lands.

Hitler wanted to transform the Reich into a republic after his death because he was aware that the system he build depended highly on his person and that he couldnt just be replaced. Thats why he also decided to not procreate.

I see your point. It's hard to say, even in hindsight, what may or may not have been. I think now it's our job to remember heroes like Mosley, and to carry on their legacy. So long as their ideas and theories are not consigned to the history books, then the spirit they kindled will live on.

Japan attacked America first.germany attacked Poland and would have known the UK would be dragged into it.
If the UK had not have involved itself it would have been attacked by the Nazis because that was the Nazis intent to take over Europe.

>Italy taking over Greece
lolno, they got their shit pushed in Albania by them. If anything Greece under Metaxas would openly ally with Hitler seeing as how there would be no need to upset the Brits

>you assume Hitler had a say in what the Japanese do
Where? I think you're the one assuming here. I know that China was their idea, and I'm saying that without the greater conflict in Europe Japan could have probably kept the conflict up and eventually exterminated huge numbers of Eastern and South-Eastern Asians without foreign opposition.

And a Britain under Mosley would have aided Germany in which conflict? How far do they push in this hypothetical scenario? Just what they feel was always German, or do they try and crush the USSR?

>the spirit they kindled will live on
It's dead Jim.

In crushing the USSR.

Hitler considered the whole war with Britain and France unnecessary.

While it was of course a huge satisfaction for him to win over France once war became inevitable he would have rather not had that front.

France and Britain only got attacked because they declared war over Poland, a country they didnt give a rats ass about and which only existed because of the stupid treaty they themselves instated.

Why do Brits and French politicians have a say in territory that was stolen from Germany and where Germans are mistreated by Poles?

England gave Poland a blanco assurance that they will defend it no matter what. That emboldened the Poles to be aggressive towards Germany.
Pilsudski died too early.

This whole muh Germany wanted to conquer all of the world and kill everyone who is not a blue eyed and blonde haired meme needs to die already. Its literally american propaganda comic tier.

Of course the 'kill non-Aryans' meme is just a meme but were there genuine colonial ambitions in Nazi Germany? Because the world can only have so many colonial powers.

The UK wanted to be dragged into it.

Lets imagine the following: England "lost" WW1, gets harshly punished in the treaty of Potsdam, and Ireland is completely given to the Irish.

Now Irish start to kill and mistreat former British citizens on their Isle.

All of that happens while Germany encourages Ireland to not give in to your approaches of negotioation to find a peaceful soltion and assures Ireland that no matter how provocative their politics towards you are that Germany will back them in case of war.

Colonial in the sense of a part of European Russia, yes. But not in Africa.

Hitler talked about it in private and said that the climate south of Italy is no good for Germanics and he didnt want to go there.

>The UK wanted to be dragged into it.
Absurd

the whole, if you brown/dark hair hitler would kill you is basically pleb tier thought here.
even when you look at hitler, and all those in high command were not muh blonde hair

No reason to hate them. Just remove them from Europe and the West because Jews are immigrants

It seemed fairly likely that a war was going to take place between Poland and Germany. Promising to intervene on Poland's behalf while making no serious efforts to avert the oncoming conflict was a pretty blatant effort at starting a war. Mosley (remember the thread started about him) was saying this from the start but (((other))) voices proved stronger than his.

>a part of European Russia
And then they stop forever and devote themselves to sausage-craft and putting a man on the moon? That honestly doesn't sound completely absurd to me but it seems far too neat to be possible.

Of course Britain cared about Poland, thats why they protected it from the Russi- oh

>Germany starts attacking nations left and right
>somehow its the UKs fault

>tfw leftist but agree with this man.
>tfw he got even better at speaking in old age.
What did he do to be hated like this? Last video I saw of him the interviewer was a complete disrespectful weasel and Mosley answered gracefully to every single of his traps. He seemed pretty based desu.

You mean the Russians that Germany was allied to before making a pole sandwhich? That Russia?

>And then they stop forever and devote themselves to sausage-craft and putting a man on the moon?

Basically.

Thats how the German soul works. Endless growth and expansion is despied here.

Germans are inherently socialist ( not in the sense of Marx but in the sense of Spengler).

Hitler explained how he imagined the Reich after his death, I have it here in a book, I could translate it for you if you stay in the trhead and keep it alive

Then why were the Nazis endlessly expanding?

>somehow
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Versailles

I don't see your point.

Which book might this be?

By that logic we shouldnt we have declared war on Britain when they started to conquer 1/4 of the landmass of this planet?

Oh we didnt. This arrogance cost you your Empire and your race.

Its beyond me how somebody could be as deluded as you are and even after witnessing first hand your miserable failures of WW2 defend your actions.

Nazi apologist. Pathetic.

Not an argument famalam.

You are delusional. Its ok your idiotic people are paying for it to this day.

Pham why do you do this to me? My only interest is dialectics.

Hitlers Tabletalk by Dr. Henry Picker

Picker was a jurist and historian and a son of a district administrator of Wilhelmshaven wo was friends with Hitler.

He was also one of the top 36 jurists in the third reich.

He was a guest of Hitler for 2 years and wrote down every conversation that was not related to politics of the day Hitler held with him and others at dinner and other private occassions.

This happened before Stalingrad so its even more interesting since Germany was still on the winning side.

I don't really see the point in arguing with people that think Germany was not in the wrong. That the UK was the culprit its reverse logic.

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Thats ironic considering your flag

ad hominem

Its not ad hominem.

jew cock sucker. Pathetic

At least today British, French and Russians are dying in pain. I couldn't be happier

>wrong
I haven't used that word on either side. I'm not trying to finger a culprit or champion a certain side. I'm trying to better my understanding of the past to get a better grip on the world as it is now.

It's also not an argument. All it is is a waste of thread-space.

Kill yourself kraut. To keep the thread relevant Mosley hated Hitler for the holocaust.

Brace yourself, the Holocaust Deniers are going to enter the thread shortly

its quite satisfying to see what they have became. Still sad

The whole conflict happened because Anglos cant imagine that a people is as honest and good hearted as the German people.

They just can not imagine that life does not revolve around the stock market

They are already here.

pic related is your true master, Anglo.

Even though while the holocaust didnt happen, considering how evil the jews are it definetely should have happened.

Yes it does

Why do you think everything is so cheap?

Manufacturing economy=trash

>The whole conflict happened because Anglos cant imagine that a people is as honest and good hearted as the German people.
When war was declared the first casulty was a British man murdered in cold blood by Germans on a train.
When Germans played cricket at the time they insisted the sport was gay and they wore spikes on their uniforms.
Really nice people.

>as honest and good as the germans
Is that a serious statement? Gas yourself Jerry, your people caused the two largest conflicts in human history.

>The whole conflict happened because Anglos cant imagine that a people is as honest and good hearted as the German people.

EU exists. You can't pretend to be honest when that happened.
>inb4 the Jews

Why Whites should care about the holomeme? Jewish casualties are not our problem. Are Jews native to Europe? No. Who cares then?
I honestly cheer on the British and Russian death even more than on French one. Half of the native French are not White anyway and not so pro-vet like Brits and Russians

I think you're right in a sense.

Anglos were secular and materialistic, playing the game of world trade and realpolitik and doing very well under that paradigm.

I think Britain couldn't cope with the German spiritual nationalist idealism, and saw it as a threat to their world. Which indeed it was.

Anyone know what kind of officer tunic he's wearing? I've been studying WW2 era officer tunics, and I can't seem to identify Mosley's. Is it a police tunic?

You cant deny something that never happened.

Its a WW1 officer uniform not WW2

Nice bait Brit, fuck off

Looks to me like the Serbian subhuman caused the WWI.

Stalin isnt native to Europe.

Why should we care? One Austrian degenerate drunk's life worth more than all of Africa

how close was he to getting in charge

No. Gavrilo Princip was only one small spoke in the wheel that led to WW1.

Now we get to see the result of that british policy every day.

It is astonishing to me how Anglos on Sup Forums would still defend Churchill and his deeds.

It seems they would rather go extinct than to question their jewish overlords.

What happened ot the Saxons on Albion? What curse was put on you?

Indeed he isn't. Georgian semitic subhuman

fuck you fascists, the left will rise again!

The UK lost its Empire fighting the Krauts. It cost a lot of money fighting off bitchkreiging nutters.

Silly yank cunt.

I am not denying WW2, than is an undeniable fact that we have PROOF of.

6 million jews on the other hand? With countless pieces of evidence disproving this notion?

Swallow that redpill lad.

You guys realize social darwinism is bullshit pseudoscience right??

Serbian rat didn't allow to inspect it's lands to find our terrorist. Their fault. Sad that only 30% of Serbian male population died in the WWI. Should have been 100%

Not without capitalist viagra.

As opposed to saving semi-dead newborns and not sterilising because muh feelings