This is interdimensionl hyperspace quadrant Mbrane chess by Trump r-r-right Sup Forums?

This is interdimensionl hyperspace quadrant Mbrane chess by Trump r-r-right Sup Forums?

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What a joke, GOP has a super majority in Washington and can't get a damn thing done.

Trump doesn't know how to play chess.

Why save Obamacare?

It was born a Dem only law and it will die a Dem only law.

hahahha SO TIRED OF WINNING KEKEKEKEKE

>thailand
>PP in id

what was meant by this

shills are up early today I see.

If the left has no majority then the paymasters of the neocons will simply have them vote the way they want.

That said,they're all going to be voted out by their constituents.

>everyone who disagrees with me is a shill
Retard

except it's not going to die, because straight repeal has been dead in the senate since day 1.

Just another failure of conservatism. It truly is poison.

Is that the new talking point?

Obamacare will never be repealed since mostly GOP/drumpf voters mooch of the system, the GOP got called on it's fucking bullshit hahahhaha

>except it's not going to die
Go tell the CBO and those rate hikes about that. Tell the Dems who will have to continue to support Obamacare about that. Tell insurance companies who have and will continue to pull out of Obamacare about that. And so on....

What is new about it?

Obamacare was signed into law by Obama in 2010 with only Dem support. Dems have protected it and said nothing is wrong since it launched and of course they were full of shit.

Why should Republicans mess with Obamacare now? So Dems can call it Trumpcare and run on Obamacare rate hikes in 2018 and 2020?

>Just another failure of conservatism. It truly is poison.

Not necessarily. Two things happened: the GOP has been the opposition party for so long, about 10 years, that few of them have any clue as to how to DO something instead of BLOCK something.

And then there's the elephant in the room: Trump. His style of smoothly promising the moon and stars did not work. Remember last week or so when he actually said "Nobody knew healthcare could be so complicated". EVERYBODY WHO HAS EVER LOOKED AT IT KNEW THAT. But Trump had been to hundreds of rallies where he promised affordable better health care than the Obama disaster, when HE HAD NO PLAN AT ALL. Just words.

He's not negotiating for a casino guys. He's the president, and he has no clue as to what the president does.

Yeah, and they're ignoring the fact that the GOP has been bitching about it so much people are going to blame them for whatever happens.

Winning is losing
Losing is winning
that's 4D chess

>fact that the GOP has been bitching about it so much people are going to blame them for whatever happens.

1. the gop has been voting to repeal for seven years.

2. the ACA has clear issues.

3. the gop controls the house, the senate, the presidency, and a majority of the state governorships

4. the gop threw up its hands and said WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING.

5. just like vietnam started as a 100% democrat fuckup, Nixon managed to make it his war. the GOP owns healthcare now, no matter what they say. if you disagree, show me what is incorrect about point 3 or point 4. Real legislators can work with a majority because they know how TO MAKE DEALS, WHICH THE DEALMAKER IN CHIEF CLEARLY CANNOT DO.

The worst thing that could have happened for Trump would have been for Ryans healthcare bill to pass.

No matter the reason, Trump dodged an enormous bullet and he still looks good to all of his supporters.

Meanwhile obamacare is not popular with the majority, as costs increase it will become far more unpopular, and it was Trump who tried to stop it, and democrats who stopped him

>Trump dodged an enormous bullet

He promised a thousand times to repeal Obamacare starting on his first day in office. He promised a thousand times that he could make deals unlike career politicians.

You sound like Trudeau saying that your enemies win if you kill them. Trump has failed spectacularly at something he promised a thousand times.

Mexico paying for the wall? Blocking muslims? Will Trump deliver on anything, or will he and Spicer and Kellyanne continue to talk like a character in Alice and Wonderland who cannot perceive reality?

Trump and Republicans just unwittingly shit on their base and shot themselves in the foot for 2018 and 2020. One of the biggest issues they have been running on, repeal and replace, and they couldn't make it happen with a majority. Sickening.

Trump has come out several times talking about how the Democrats refuse to budge on anything, shit his cabinet isn't even approved yet, the people who want obamacare gone will only see Democrats obstructing.

The Bill is shit and this entire healthcare situation is an unwinnable shitshow. If it had been passed Trump would end up looking far, far worse than what he looks like now.

So now we just let obamacare continue to implode.

i cant wait to read in the history books how OBAMACARE was the fault of trump

>The Bill is shit

And that's the point. They had seven years to come up with an alternative. You want to know why Hitler rapidly took over every aspect of Germany once he was chancellor? The Nazis had spent years building their organization on every level.

Trump and the GOP had no plan at all. Trump himself made that comical statement that "nobody knew healtcare could be so complicated".

Seven years of "we have to fix this now!". Seven years, and no plan.

If Trump had a clue and could make deals, he would have pulled together moderates from both parties and would have begun to iron out some of the rough edges of the ACA. but no, we want to repeal the entire thing and start over from scratch.

Morons.

Having the power to make improvements and not being able to use that power will be Trump's legacy. He thought being president would be like running a reality tv show where everyone sucks your ass. Yesterday, FUCKING YESTERDAY, he said "we have learned a lot today about the arcane rules of our government'. What a fucking fraud.

>tries to pass Ryan's Obamacare-lite hoping it will pass
>Democrats did so poorly with healthcare that nobody wants anything even close to Obamacare

Makes sense

>GOP can't come up with an alternative
it is officially a bipartizan law, at least for now

Trump is on record saying he was proud of this bill that you call an "enormous bullet".

politico.com/story/2017/03/donald-trump-health-care-bill-proud-235785

"“I think we're going to have a tremendous success,” Trump said at the White House as he met with his House Deputy Whip Team. “It's a complicated process, but actually it's very simple. It's called good health care.""

He's an idiot, according to you.

Yes, smartass he is playing 7d chess as usual. If you ever read The Art of the Deal (apparently Paul Ryan has not) you would know how this puts him in a winning position. Letting Obamacare fail puts him in a much better position to negotiate an actually decent healthcare bill unlike the piece of shit that Ryan came up with (probably written by the Koch brothers)

The replacement bill being dogshit is a moot point, it doesn't matter how bad it would have been, because nobody had to live with it, hell there are people who think it could have been great.

The people who hate Trump will continue to hate him, the people who support him will continue to support him. I don't believe there are people out there who think think that if Trump tried just a little harder we could have all come together to fix this. Is that what you really believe?


accidentally or on purpose, he got out of a minefield without loosing a leg

Trump didn't write that book. I doubt he's even read it.

>I don't believe there are people out there who think think that if Trump tried just a little harder we could have all come together to fix this. Is that what you really believe?
if that isn't the case then the GOP has been scamming the US public for 7 years

>politico.com
lol

You don't think people see that democrats have a hand in obstructing? At the very least there is a heavy perception that the enemies during the election are doing their very best to sabotage Trump.

He could literally blame the democrats for whatever failure has occurred and it would work because their party is completely hysterical about every single topic.

due to vested deep state corporate interests any attempt at universal, affordable healthcare in burgerland is sabotaged and destroyed

many states have passed laws for single-payer and all failed to implement the laws due to the deep state


>Massachusetts passed a universal healthcare program in 1986, but deep state sabotage resulted in its repeal before the legislation could be enacted

>New York State has been attempting passage of the New York Health Act, which would establish a statewide single-payer health plan, since 1992. The New York Health Act passed the Assembly three times: once in 1992 and again in 2015 and 2016, but did not advance through the Senate after referrals to the Health Committee.

>California attempted passage of a single-payer bill as early as 1994,[62] and the first successful passages of legislation through the California State Legislature, SB 840 or "The California Universal Healthcare Act" (authored by Sheila Kuehl), occurred in 2006 and again in 2008.[63] Both times, Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger vetoed the bill

In 2009, the Hawaii state legislature passed a single-payer healthcare bill that was vetoed by Republican Governor Linda Lingle. While the veto was overridden by the legislature, the bill was not implemented

>Vermont canceled its plan for single-payer health care

>The Minnesota Health Act passed to establish a statewide single-payer health plan but was
Dr Ron Paul talks about his work at free hospitals and how everything worked great.

r. Paul replied:

"I practiced medicine before we had monopolies at hospital. And the churches took care of them. We never turned anybody away from the hospital. The reason the cost is so high is It becomes a special interest, it cow-tows to the insurance companies and then the drug companies."

thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/item/10000-practicing-the-medicine-he-preaches-the-free-market-charity-of-ron-paul

how many times has trump said:
"I could let it fail, but I said no, because I care about the people" and
"we're gonna repeal and replace folks"
so he's either lying to normies and playing inter-dimensional underwater chutes and ladders or is a fucking incompetent liar.

He's an incompetent liar.

>If the Dems didn't pass such a shit bill, a replacement wouldn't be needed.
>Try to replace a shit bill with another shit bill.
>RUSH to get a shit bill passed.
This whole ordeal was a shit-show from the start.

I will take the liar part and incompetent too

whenever he did anything during the election campaign people said shit like this. About how he's failing and he would never make it, about how "this isnt part of some big plan that will let him win in the end, nothing is going to happen, he's doomed to fail".

Im going to say now what I said then


wait for it

No OP, it's Trump being an idiot pointing fingers like a bully and not being a leader.

>What a joke, GOP has a super majority in Washington and can't get a damn thing done.
False. It takes sixty votes to bring a bill to the floor of the Senate.

The American government spends more on healthcare than any other country @ 17% of GDP. Funny how we have privatized healthcare, and our government still spends more on healthcare than every other single payer government in the world. The facts are stunning. Now lets look at private expenditures such as premiums, copays, etc... The US pays 5x more than the next country, which is Canada. Interesting, I thought private companies were more efficient than government? That doesn't sound efficient to me. We pay the most, and receive the worst care. Does privatization still sound like a good idea guys?

Except he's not failing, he's actual failed is over they are moving on, he lost the vote he failed they go to tax reform now

That's what happens when the government agrees to pay for services from private companies. The problem isn't privatisation itself, it's that they aren't truly operating within the constraints of the free market.

We see the same with education. University's can charge ridiculous amounts thanks to subsidies in the form of loans. The student doesn't have to consider if paying X dollars at A university is better than paying Y at B because the government picks up the tab and they can both charge Z.

If Uncle Sam is paying for Tyrone, why would he care how much it costs and why wouldn't the provider jack up the price to whatever they can?

wait for it

it's not untrue. this was the best plan they were going to get to keep it on life support for a while longer instead of imploding in the short term. and not a single one of them voted for it.

Nothing to wait for its a dead bill, he needs a new one, it failed

Err pretty sure it's just a simple majority of those present

wait for it

if he takes on big pharma, I will become the biggest trump cuck ever. but knowing his laissez faire approach to big corporations, I doubt it will happen. He's been talking about getting drug prices down and how ridiculous the prices are, but doesn't address the core issue at all, and is instead trying to promote more regulation that any smart company will find loopholes like they've been doing for years.

Like arguing with a dindunuffin abbo same stupid response repeated without logic.

its part of a plan mate

you have to be patient

and


wait


for


it

No this is just fake news and misunderstanding a system by a opposing leaning foreign press

It is not.

> suggesting that government meddling isn't causing the high costs

They wrote the bill in order to use the budget reconciliation process. That allows them to get around a filibuster and get a vote on the bill simply if the Senate majority leader brings it up, and then pass it with a simple majority.

They only needed a simple majority in both houses of Congress, and then the President's signature. They failed to even get out of the House of Representatives. But even if they had passed the House, the bill was dead on arrival in the Senate. They could afford to lose 22 house reps and 2 senators. They lost more than 40 house reps, and at least 6 senators had said they wouldn't vote for the bill.

I suppose his dumbest of supporters, those who still stick with him, will believe his retarded shit and fellate him at his next feel good event rally.

>tfw you realize a kiwi annex burgerland would solve everything

>Repeal Obamacare

>Invoke the 10th Amendment

>Begin to divest federal involvement from Healthcare

>States build their own healthcare plans

>Liberals in liberal states are in charge of their own healthcare plan

>Conservatives in conservative states are in charge of their own healthcare plan

>States are free to import what works into their own healthcare plans, get rid of shit that doesn't

>Everyone wins

I would love for this to happen, but the reason why Liberals will never go along with it is because their own state plans will end up in FAILURE, and everyone will see that Liberalism is a crock of shit.

>This is interdimensionl hyperspace quadrant Mbrane chess by Trump r-r-right Sup Forums?

No, he's just an idiot.

>GOP has a super majority in Washington and can't get a damn thing done.

Republicans saying "repeal and replace" is like a drunk that secretly hopes his friends will hold him back when he tries to take a swing at somebody.

Their plan is utter shit, but more importantly Obamaacare is a remarkably conservative piece of legislation.
It's America's best chance for avoiding real socialized medicine.
It's a great boon for the healthcare industry, and it ensures that even the working poor (and their small-business employers) have to help pay for health care in America instead of just going to the emergency room or relying on a spouse that works for a fortune-500 company to cover the family health care.

Both Mitt Romney and Ronald Reagan had similar plans, and if Obama wasn't a black democrat, Paul Ryan would fight tooth and nail to defend the ACA.

>>States build their own healthcare plans
>poor, sick, elderly people move away from poor-ass red states that want to throw them under the bus, become burden on responsible blue states with governments that serve the people, not he national mega-corporations,

FTFY

>but more importantly Obamaacare is a remarkably conservative piece of legislation.

No it isn't. A conservative approach is putting it back on the states.

I agree, it's kind of frustrating and disappointing and I can imagine how the thousands of people at the Trump rallies in September and October would have felt if they could have seen, six months into the future, every one of Trump's major policy initiatives being blocked by representatives of a supposedly defeated party and culture (and by that I mean not only the Democrat "progressives" but also the old GOP swamp-dwellers that he defeated already in the primaries).
But thoughts of Steve Bannon have led me to go back and read Lenin for the first time in many years and there is a lot to be learned from that vile old totalitarian's jubilation over everything that appeared, to most people at the time, to be terrible setbacks for the social transformation he claimed he wanted to see.
There is a core team of Leninists at the heart of Trump's administration, which we can still at least hope includes Trump himself. If their nerve doesn't fail them, the immovable resistance they will always meet will very quickly drive things to the tipping point and the social shift we saw in the weeks leading up to November will seem like nothing in comparison to what comes then. The libtards are right in saying that Trump's is not a "normal presidency" and thank God it isn't. Precisely because the political establishment refuse to allow even that slight deviation from "business as usual" that the Trump presidency MIGHT have been, they are going to force it into being something a lot more than just a slight deviation.
Of course, we have some very dark weeks and months waiting for us between now and then.

"I tell you naught for your comfort, nay naught for your desire,
Save that the sky grows darker yet, and the sea rises higher.
Night will be thrice night over you, and heaven an iron cope.
I teach you joy without a cause, yea faith without a hope."

>blue states do something that works
>red states have problems
>red states simply import blue state policies to fix their plan
>everyone wins again

FYFFY

>No it isn't. A conservative approach is putting it back on the states.
There's nothing inherently conservative about "muh small government", and the original American conservative party (the Federalists) were pro big-government.
Modern republicans cry "10th amendment" at the drop of a hat because they've more or less been the minority party for nearly a century, and they're tired of seeing the federal government do things the Democrats want to get done.

Besides, in this case a state-level approach is bound to be disastrous for obvious reasons:

>here's nothing inherently conservative about "muh small government", and the original American conservative party (the Federalists) were pro big-government.
>Modern republicans cry "10th amendment" at the drop of a hat because they've more or less been the minority party for nearly a century, and they're tired of seeing the federal government do things the Democrats want to get done.
>Besides, in this case a state-level approach is bound to be disastrous for obvious reasons

Completely irrelevant and speculation.

The Constitution is clear.

No, red states would dump their problems on the blue states at no cost to themselves.
State-level healthcare would be a total disaster.

>No, red states would dump their problems on the blue states at no cost to themselves.
>State-level healthcare would be a total disaster.
>implying Obamacare isn't

You don't know that at all. Where is your evidence to back it up?

>The posts in this thread
This is actually a legitimate shill thread rather than a troll im impersonating a shill thread

Neat

Also don't forget to sage

What is 'crying' 10th Amendment - suggesting to Leftards thst it exists, is the law, and reiterates that the fed gov is of limited enumerated powers... cuz Lefties hate limits to the power of the state?

Fuck you for being dumb.

T+C4E/ld is talking out of his ass.

Guarantee Trump is working on a healthcare bill in the background.

Good opportunity for him to oust Ryan as well, but I honestly doubt it will happen. Trump will unfortunately try to stay on the old GOP's "good" side.

Why is she blowing on Pepe's belly button?

Pretty sure he doesnt know the rules.

You are forgetting the insane levels of opposition Trump faces every minute of every day. Leftists will eventually do themselves in

The one thing I love about these threads is that it proves how shitty liberal arguments really are.

Their arguments are based on pure emotion and FUD.

It's just more evidence that they're afraid to put their money where their mouth is because they know their policies suck in practice because socialism is a fucking joke.

>BBC
>Drumpf is finished! Here's fake news article #4593 to prove it

> It's just more evidence that they're afraid to put their money where their mouth is because they know their policies suck in practice because socialism is a fucking joke.
Except that when liberals get control of government, they do actually try to do things. For example, medicare and social security. Even if you don't like them, they were something liberals wanted, and when they got into power they enacted them. Conservatives, on the other hand, screamed and howled when medicare was created, yet in the time since then when they had power, did they repeal it? No. And now, after they shouted that they would repeal Obamacare for seven years, when they were finally given the chance to do that, they choked. When it actually mattered, they couldn't follow through.