How can anyone think the Confederates were right to try to break away from the US?

I'm not a cuck. I respect southerners and I like southern culture. But slavery is just objectively wrong.

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Lincoln did nothing wrong. He was against slavery but he wasn't anti-white. He wanted to send the negroes to Liberia once they were free.

they weren't fighting for slavery, they were fighting for state's rights

States' rights to keep slavery

>Slavery is just objectively wrong
On the terms that is objectively wrong, I agree. Still a pretty effective means to punish someone in lieu of capital punishment, if you're some fag against the death penalty

There are no wrongs or rights, just interpretations and opinions.

Is California confederate? They want to keep their illegals to keep prices down because they'll work for practically nothing and can be threatened by presenting deportation back to a 3rd world.

Don't believe Satan's lies!
Slavery was only big deal in the US civil war because both sides knew that abolishing it would cripple the south and their ability to rebel against the Union.

Lincoln himself even said that he didn't abolish slavery for the blacks, but instead did so to hurt the confederacy.

The north weren't attacking slavery.

they were niggers who the fuck cares if you wrong them

>moral relativism

Wew lad

Slavery is natural. There is no equality. We followed natural law once, and there was order. Now we have progressivism and no tradition.

Most people are meant to be slaves on this earth.

So you think once the southerners had set up their own free country, they would have abolished slavery? That they only kept it because they needed it to be able to rebel?

Not specifically to be able to rebel... it was just the source of their wealth, plus the slaves themselves were people's owned property.

niggers deserve worse than slavery desu

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>how can anyone think the colonies were right to break away from England
It's the same thing, really.

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fuck off, at least it isn't racemixing crap

>largest trade partner of the south was Bongers
>bongers at the time hugely anti-slavery
Yeah they probably would have, do you think they would be keeping slaves into the 1950s?

Wasn't about slavery you fucking dumbass. It was about state's rights, slavery was already dying anyway and it only served the 1% richest slave owners. The Civil War enabled the north to create an all encroaching federal government that is a tyrannical leftist government, think of it as the United States version of the EU

For the sake of argument, let's say that secesion was over slavery and only slavery. And the reason for declaration of war was only to end slavery (neither are true but bear with me for this mind experiment) At the time of the Civil War the United States Federal Goverment was less powerfull than the EUs central goverment in Brussels. Each State was an independent nation under a mutual defense and trade compact known as the Constitution. That's why when addressing the country as whole it was said "the United States are" not "is"

Ok. With that in mind going to war is then the equivalent of say Brussels declaring war on the UK because Scotland wanted to remain. Or more aptly declaring war on Poland because abortion is banned there and therefore in the eyes of Brussels "violating women's rights". The issue becomes should a central authority without the enumerated powers impose it's will on anyone it doesn't agree with.

Now that all being said. Saying "Slavery" is the primary cause is silly. Also you must separate the reasons for secession and war. Each state had its own grievences for secession (yes some had to do with slavery in part) and Lincoln had his own reasons for going to war.

This. They were fighting for state's rights. Slavery was a dying enterprise in the South shortly before after the Civil War started.

>what is the Tariff of abomination
>what is the Virginia and Kentucky resolution
>what is concurrent majority
>what is nullification
>who were the Hamiltonians
>what were the northern backed banks
>what is fuck off and let us be

Because they have the right to choose what they want to do, and considering all of the other white peoples came to the conclusion that it's immoral I don't see why the American south wouldn't either, especially so considering there was already a large group of abolishtionists in the country

No it was completely about slavery. Read the Confederate's fucking constitution and they doubled downot on slavery and the place of the negro man in society.

Odd that most of them only reached the conclusion that slavery was immoral when their economies were industrializing and slavery started to become obsolete for them.

A constitution isn't a declaration of independence you fairy faggot.

The Confederate constitution banned the importation of slaves user. In the union that was only done under an act of Congress that had to be renewed every few years.

>break free from US
>makes a constitution similar to the US
>"what's the difference between us and them?"
>first page of constitution supports slavery 120% until the end of time.

>"b-but we're getting bullied by the north. This has nothing to do with slavery!"

What right did the North have to force Southern States to remain in a country they no longer wanted to be in. Secession is peaceful separation. It is totally in line with the founding father's idea on how the United States should function.

Every other slave holding nation on Earth was able to abolish slavery, peacefully, and without war in due time. It would have undoubtedly happened with the South as well, since slave economies cannot compete with modern free market economies. Eventually, the white voting population of the south would have came to the same conclusion as the rest of the world - that it was time to end. At which point, the government would pay the slave owners to free their slaves. As long as the North didn't send escaped slaves back to the South, slave owners would be looking to be bought out anyway as more and more slaves left and sought freedom north.

>thinks the US was something they were supposed to have to "break free" from
>understandably doesn't have a fucking clue about why the civil war happened

Because people of the south were inbreeds and you can't simply "reach an agreement" with inbreeds without violence.

>since slave economies cannot compete with modern free market economies
What do you mean by modern free market?

>I found these on wikipedia guys t-they're relevant right?

>he thinks the civil war was about slaves and not state sovereignty.
Good goy

Nothing in particular

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Fuck those faggots you get banned for questioning the Holocaust over there

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Also, friendly reminder that that the Westernmost battle of the Civil War occurred in Santa Clara.

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The Confederate government was studying Russia who recently ended their serf system and was extremely interested in replicating it in the south. The long term goal was to abolish slavery and slowly help the former slaves start their own farms. The yankees conveniently forget to mention this when they wrote the history books.

Imagine a USA without the shitty foreign policy. Essentially what a Confederate victory would have brought.

>yes dumb yeoman die to defend shlomo's right to own niggers good goy

I'd argue that keeping nigs in the US was the greatest mistake you've ever made

wut

The Confederate government didn't survive long enough to put together such long term plans. It spent all but four months of its existence in a desperate war for survival.

>implying it was just Schlomo owning niggers

Fun Fact: Karl Marx himself heavily supported the union, wrote letters to Lincoln, and sent Marxist volunteers to fight in the Union Army.

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>slavery is wrong
No it isn't. Especially slavery of the uncivilized races.

Of course there were no official plans but we do know there were discussions about it and some interest in it among Confederate politicians. I also imagine if the CSA survived we would've seen people like Robert E. Lee become President who would've supported such a plan because Lee himself didn't like slavery.

I don't know why everyone forgets this. There's even people who think Lincoln abolished slavery to make it less appealing to the French and British to help the Confederacy.

Lincoln wasn't even on the ballot in many southern states
He wasn't an option and yet still won the election
That'd be like if California and new York alone got to pick the president for the rest of the USA

post sauce

Imagine you have a bully whose bigger and stronger than you and everyday he takes your lunch money because he can, you can handle it by turning over and giving him what he wants or you can double down and say fuck off guess which one makes history

tbf the Democratic Party did fragment and field two candidates that year

>inb4 Trump is the new Lincoln because of the Bernie-Hillary split

The north wanted a new workforce. The south wanted to keep their free workforce. Lincoln said REEEE and wanted to abolish slavery, and influence the south black slave population to leave the south and cripple it. People seem to forget that living space and wages in the north were barely better for black americans.

It wasn't only about slavery, no war is ever about one issue.

For the slaves it sucks

But the world is the law of the jungle, might makes right

i think the north was far too lenient, and should ve hanged all those traitor fuckers

Which is why the Confederacy deserved to lose :^)

War was about tariffs. North wanted import tariffs on British industrial products, in order to protect the small northern industrial centers. South didn't want tariffs since almost all of south's cotton was sold to UK.

Slavery was an incidental issue. Lincoln 'freed' the slaves in only southern states, but not in northern states like Maryland. The idea was that it might cause a slave revolt and destabilize the south.

The north had a much worse form of slavery called wage slavery - where the slave has to worry about his own lodging, his own food, his own old age. In south, all of that was taken care of by the employer.

Its not surprising to see a leaf entirely miss the point. Have you taken into consideration the jew -> england -> civil war connection?

And why Canada deserves being a protectorate of the US :^)

>being this delusional
Almost every single souther state constitutional convention named Slavery as the main issue that caused secession
it's funny because Lincoln promised to not do anything to interfere with slavery were it was legal but retarded southern hicks didn't give a fuck either

>War of Northern Aggression

>Most people are meant to be slaves on this earth.
Let me guess... Your not one of those people right?

So many Dixie threads recently, should we just start Dixie/pol/?

More like traitor/pol/

This is why Canada deserves to be overrun by mud races

kek

>this coming from a faggot who sucks the dick of a country founded on treason against the British Empire

I'm totally ok with slave labor instead of prison sentences.

5 years hard labor probably builds character and might give niggers a skill set they could use before they're locked up again from committing another crime.

The British Empire losts it's legitimacy to rule over the colonies because they were not giving the same rights Englishmen had to the colonists not to mention no parliamentary representation and mercantalism. The north never interfered with any southern state's right to do anything Lincoln even promised to not touch slavery in the territories were it was legal
So try again fucktard

>The north never interfered with any southern state's right to do anything
Except govern themselves
Go back to England, faggot

The civil war was for the control of the greater cotton market Negroes were just the machinery the British pushed for war then they captured the market with the Egiptian Cotton

...which lincoln had no intention of ending

>got 600,000 white Americans killed
>nothing wrong

but you hate muslims for having tradition

people really need to learn what doubling down means

This is very true, it is without a doubt the worst possible mistake

They would've never surrendered then. It would've just transitioned into a guerilla war.

>USA breaks away from UK claiming oppression

>Proceeds to oppress the southern states the same way but worse

>Kills them in greater numbers when they try to break away just like Americans did before

One burger under dog

The civil war was not about slavery.
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The UK started to make massive amounts of cotton during the war anyway. So much that the king cotton plan was a complete failure.

>Proceeds to oppress the southern states the same way but worse
The southern states were not oppressed at all they even had their fugitive slave law and pro-southern supreme court their idea of oppression was the north not liking their slavery bullshit and not annexing Cuba and central America to expand slavery

Slavery is wrong
But so is tyranny, which is what the North did
Both sides were fucked up, and the wrongs of the other don't justify the wrongs of either.

>He was against slavery
>Worst Ally actually believes this

Wew lad he was a power hungry dictator, he didn't give two fucks about slavery.

>Implying they would have any reason to care if the north liked their slavery bullshit unless the north was interfering
>Implying that seceding from the north's union would have brought them any closer to having Cuba and Central America annexed

Yes slavery is objectively wrong and the north American slave trade cursed us. But thinking it made any kind of sense for 600,000 White men to brutally slaughter each other for the purpose of freeing an eternally ungrateful subhuman dindu tribe is a fucking joke.

There wouldn't be niggers in the US if not for slavery

>thinks civil war was about slavery

lol public education folks

The south threatened to cut off the north of supplies, they would have starved to death. It was about cotton. Cotton was the backbone of the south and the country trading to Britain and the world. It started when Lincoln used the navy to block the trade of cotton in the south.

"In fact, the federal government and northern capitalists were well aware that restoration of cotton production was critical to the financial recovery of the nation. Cotton exports were needed to help reduce the huge federal debt and to stabilize monetary affairs in order to fund economic development, particularly railroads."

They destroyed cotton producers then knew they needed their wealth to reconstruct and pay for America's infrastructure and debt. Fuck those northern fucks. Essentially they enslaved cotton plantation owners to fund their shit.

They died primarily to save the country Jefferson Washington and Madison created from being destroyed by illiterate southern tards

They franchised the dindus and doomed us to this multikulti egalitarian hell we currently live in. Kys.

faggot the war wasn't about slavery it was about state's rights so your thoughts are moot until you educate yourself.

saged as bait.

Oh those poor innocent cotton plantation owners how dare Lincoln implement a blockade on the assholes the fired on fort Sumter and waged war against the legitimate national government

>they enslaved cotton plantation owners

pure pottery