Reminder that if you are a Nasoc you are a part of lefty Sup Forums...

Reminder that if you are a Nasoc you are a part of lefty Sup Forums. And therefore you need a powerful authoritarian government to re-distribute your wealth and enforce you ethno state.

That is a violation of the NAP.

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fuck off.
Reported for retarded

well natsoc is centrist moreso than leftist
so idk about that

But it still requires and authoritarian government.

>NAP
only weak people think aggression is wrong

Yes this is true, but the OP said it makes you a part of leftypol which is just false

Absolutely nothing wrong with socialism, as long as its the nationalist kind of socialism. Ancaps and Libertardians need to off themselves since their whole ideology is globalism.

I disagree

Nonsense, how could an individualist ideology be globalist. We aren't trying to fuck up a countries demographics or make them dependent on a single country for trade. Or have the UN rule over us.

Our ideology just has a small set of similar properties to globalism, but that is it.

Nah Triple H, you're just as shit as the rest of the tardians. A strong authoritarian government is NEEDED, people are stupid and need to be controlled otherwise they'll do the same shit they're doing now. What they're doing isn't because of government influence, but because of corporate influence, 'sex sells' etc.

And whats going to stop stupid and/or greedy people from runing there government.

I enjoy the memes and the general idea of Ancapistry, but surely you guys don't think an unregulated free market would actually work right? There's nothing in place to prevent monopolies. And once a monopoly, or even an individual, gains enough power, what is their incentive to care about the NAP? They'd just be a pseudo-government.

Reminder that if you are ancap you are willing to allow people to sell their property to authoritarian ethno-states, thus allowing them to take over your society without even having to invade.

By keeping only ideologues in power. Failing to do that is what led to the fall of the USSR, Nationalist Spain and many others.

fuck the NAP. your cuckonomic system is of "freedom" is what brought the niggers and Mexicans into this country in the first place.

But they have the freedom to also fail, and if our economy was truely free with no wealth-redistribution they would die off without welfare.

lack of money wouldn't kill them off, it would only make them breed and evolve to become more insidious. You know who profits of of unrestrained capitalism and banks? jews.

You.
I like you.

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reminder that ancaps are autistic white genocide enablers actively working against white civ

do not fall for the ancap meme friends, i know what i'm talking about

How does having less money make them breed more? Because most Africans in America, Europe, and Sub-Saharan Africa are given welfare or forgine aid, and are allowed to keep breeding without consequence.

>You know who profits of of unrestrained capitalism and banks? jews.

Sure, but so do I, and so do you. I could care less if Mr Goldberg is able to scrape a few shekels off of me because of an interest rate. But banking is a necessary evil. It allows those with little money to be able to get a loan and pay it off over a period of time.

Without banking investment would fall and with it would go a great deal of new small businesses.

>By keeping only ideologues in power
lmao that worked out well for you didnt it? lol

There are no monopolies in the free market. Monopolies are incompatible with a competitive market. That's why they only exist through the power of the state.

All ancaps are poor, rich guys, known as capitalists, are pro-governmental.

Well.... they could actually form from very aggressive price gouging and then buying out competitors.

Standard Oil and the USA was an example of this.

Sup Forums is an eternal alliance of multiracial white supremacist libertarian National Socialists

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It actually did until Gorbachev, who was the opposite of an ideologue, took over.

Right... and they maintain their "monopoly" by providing a better service or product than any other potential competitor. No one will complain about this "monopoly".

FPBP

>my personal idyllic ubermensch will get into power and will make statism efficient

ever noticed how the poorest people have 12 kids? that's because they are living in a high fatality environment. high fatality environments encourage people to have more kids to ensure they aren't putting their eggs in one basket. it's been that way in sub-Saharan Africa for years, there really is no "starving" them out.

this dude has common sense.

Except everyone who realizes that they also fund shitty left wing movements like BLM and feminism with all the money that they make. They essentially use to money they make to destroy your ancap utopia.

I dont want to invoke memes, but where are the proofs?

>what is burden of proof?
>what is boycott?
They don't have government handouts in a free market. They can't stop alternatives built by people who don't want to associate with them.
You still have not grasped how freedom of association and exclusion works in a free society.

that is just untrue

natsoc is right leaning

They already were in power. Shame they opposed each other.

Libertarians are traditionally left wing. The redefinition of the left-right divide on "muh free market" is retarded.

Consolidation of power into the hands of a few is a very natural process. The free market doesn't exclude the fact that the more powerful company will relentlessly buy out/drive into ruin its competitors until it is the last man standing. That's... the entire point of the free market; to be the most successful there is.

States are the ones that set up trust-busters; they didn't cause monopolies, they broke them.

>That is a violation of the NAP.

And I should care why?

Cool opinion bro.

Thank the state for the wonderful and competitive ISP market you have there.
Thank the state for the wonderful and competitive medical insurance market you have there.

It's like you love being fucked in the ass.

Why would someone boycott them?
>burden of proof
Lies with you, as it was you who have stated that monopolies cant form in free market.

>That is a violation of the NAP.
So is putting people in gas chambers ...

see
>That's... the entire point of the free market; to be the most successful there is
And the only you can be successful in the market is by appeasing people through voluntary exchange otherwise there would be no voluntary exchange. How difficult is this?
>they didn't cause monopolies, they broke them

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulatory_capture
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_welfare
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bailout
mises.org/library/myth-natural-monopoly

In a free market anyone can produce anything freely and try to sway the customers to buy the stuff they produce instead other people's stuff.

In the state market you have to jump through a fuckton of bars and hoops just to be allowed to produce.

PS: This is pure common sense and it is not our job to educate you.

>because they don't agree with what they're funding
>Lies with you, as it was you who have stated that monopolies cant form in free market.
>I am the one that has to prove that X doesn't exist
>what is burden of proof?
Here you go you fucking retard
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophical_burden_of_proof

Build roads faggot.

But snek, how will we gas all the marxists without a strong central government?

Check my private roads bitches.

You'll have to defend yourself once they violate the NAP.

States monopolies are fairly common, they have a monopoly in law enforcement for example, many cases of private security doing law enforcement exist, it's a ridiculous thing to deny.

State it's never all reaching.

Nice try at false flagging, /leftypol/

Try to make general purpose processor on par with Intel's ones then. The only thing that keeps AMD alive on this market is that if it dies - Intel will be ravaged by the government. Producing shit isnt as easy as oppening a bakery, you need shit ton of money and time.

>monopoly in law enforcement
you are the reason we can't form a natsoc coalition. we are divided by so much outright stupidity. btw only jews thrive on ancap system

Wrong.

The only thing that keeps Intel in such position are patent laws, which are a state-sponsored monopoly.

There is no such thing as intellectual "property".

How would you provide reasonably priced internet in an ancap society? It costs an unbelievable amount of money to lay the lines for internet connections

also my captcha was a helicopter

That ancap meme is still a thing ?
>anarchist
>capitalist
>strong government

ancap toucan will wreck you.

So? You can prove that there cannot exist a rational number that is equal to square root of 2.
Burden of proof is appliciable if it was I who has stated that X exists, but I did not, on the other hand you stated that X cannot exist.

>don't tread on my froot loops

Are you trying to say that in ancap society Intel will have to open their patents, publish schemas and sources? And what will happen if they dont do that?

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No positive action can be forced from anyone without a state.

Stop playing dumb and purposely misrepresenting my statements.

>what is reverse engineering

> thus allowing them to take over your society without even having to invade.

Yeah, that's great nobody has to be killed or have their shit taken. States can be a function of the market economy, People would have more choice in their government.

>tweet tweet, don't bring up streets

Are you literate, spaniard? I never said "the state can't take control of an industry" that's happened many times throughout history.

I said that monopolies aren't contingent on a state's existence. You'd have to be a moron to think that without a state greed and the desire to rule others would just disappear.

Wrong; at the start obviously you have to be an upstanding citizen (or whatever the equivalent would be in ancap land) but as you gradually acquire more and more power, you'd lose sight of what really matters and start jewing solely for profit, not the actual quality of your product. Watch "The Lightbulb Conspiracy". As for your links, again, I understand that the modern state is heavily involved with the corporations in crony-capitalism, but your error is thinking that this was always so. I know US history probably isn't your thing, toothpaste, but read about Theodore Roosevelt and the trust-busters of the early 20th century.

>mises
They think the US deserved Pearl Harbor and that the oceans should be privatized lmao

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>Nasoc
Nigerian Army Special Ops Command weel crush you infedel, we r de tru NASOC

>You'd have to be a moron to think that without a state greed and the desire to rule others would just disappear.
You'd have to be a moron to think that feels can alter the laws of economics.

>monopolies aren't contingent on a state's existence
If they develop they are not enforced monopolies, they'd actually need to provide a decent service.

>greed and the desire to rule others would just disappear
Can statists stop strawmanning like crazy?

T. Edgy college student who took one economics course and listens to ayn rand on youtube

How is libertarianism /leftypol/. You could not find a more right winged ideology.

shit meme ans shit bait, f a m

grow up man

WE WUZ OPERATORZ AND SHIET

It's not feels armadabro, it's human nature

>there cannot be monopolies in a free market!
>wrong, here is an example
>well, but they deserved to be monopolies!

How does one maintain anarchism?

>be me
>live in an-cap state
>buy land
>buy slaves
>recreational micronation
>Make it NatSoc so I can make a profit while doing it
>Keep buying land
>realize I have a empire

This desu

You can't; states naturally arose from tribalism and they would do so again. Humans are naturally hierarchical creatures.

Hoppe libertarianism was always the final redpill. People who are so incompetent that they need an authoritarian state to direct them are pathetic cucks who would never survive in any harsh environment

NatSocs are anarcho capitalist though.

Natural monopoly is a situation where market power will be concentrated (or atleast should form) without government assistance.

People can also break the law and gain advantages that lead to high degrees of market power. And without the government effectively forcing people to not be able to collude you end up with a virtual monopoly anyway. You can argue that the government not constructing them is akin to government assistance but if you are seriously suggesting we could have no government and function you are actually retarded and don't understand human nature.

The fact that you even call it monopoly instead of referring to it as varying degrees of market power shows you are just spouting off other people's opinions.

Also if there isn't a state powerful enough to control people then the enormous monopoly will just step in and take its place. United fruit company.

>Hoppe libertarianism
You mean monarchism?

bumping to spite this man from texas

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>worship Pinochet
>hate Hitler

Hitler was the superior ancap you morons.

> violation of NAP

aggrevate this dick, bitch

Hierarchy doesn't disappear under ancap.

Of course. We already had anarcho-capitalist though. We just called it "feudalism." It was pretty cool but fairly inefficient.

AM I BEING DETAINED!
AM I FREE TO GO?!
I NEED TO SEE YOUR SUPERIOR!

An caps are faggots.

This is the result of unregulated capitalism:
youtu.be/ONsmJAyFAAw
How does the NAP explain the deaths and property damage caused by these innocent property owners simply using their property for whatever purpose they wanted to, like storing extremely dangerous industrial waste.

A natural monopoly isn't a real monopoly because they are always subject to indirect competition. Which means that you could have a monopoly in a railroad line between A and B but you couldn't raise ticket prices to infinity because alternative services exist that limit your leverage. The same applies to pretty much everything.

In fact, I dare you to find a "natural monopoly" that does not suffer indirect competition.

>market "power"
>implying the CEO of Pepsi can send you thugs to force you consume his drinks
>implying you pay taxes to Facebook
Shit meme. That's why I know you're baiting. (or terribly misinformed)

Those idiots are the exact opposite of ancaps. They are the same cretins that think a piece of paper is going to save them. At least actual ancaps realize the nature of the state.

An caps wouldn't care.

Ancaps are essentially monarchists. Property rights are the only thing they believe in.

>China fell into the “mostly unfree” category, according to the Index of Economic Freedom for 2016. It was ranked 144th and scored 52.0 on the index behind other developing countries such as India, Brazil, and Pakistan. Some think it strange that a superpower economy such as China falls into this category.
Keep pretending state failure is somehow evidence against ancap though.

>Not real capitalism
Where have I hear this type of reasoning before?