How does one reconcile the belief races should not mingle and that race-mixing is absolutely haram with the fact that there are many genuinely nice, hard-working and intelligent non-whites?
Excluding deserving nonwhites from white societies on the sole basis of race seems shallow, even though it's obvious white people should be the majority or at least solely wield political power within their own countries.
very few on Sup Forums actually believe this. they just pretend to be super racist so as to deter reddit users from posting here.
broadly classifying any group of people is immoral. just bc some races tend to have lower IQs doesn't mean you shouldn't judge them individually at first.
Allow it but keep it at a minimum, is a good way. That's how it's normally done. You don't need 100.0000% white-white marriages to keep a healthy level of homogenity; in fact, that's probably not a good thing.
for every non white who is a bit okay, you could have 5 whites who are really okay.
In world with limited space and resources, there is no need to prefer anything else but your own race over anything else that is worse off.
Just because there are some outliers doesn't negate the masses of third worlders are human shit. You have to view it on a macro level
By looking at how ethnic conflict is incredibly common around the world. It's just not worth the risk, and we even have people in our own countries calling for our death and killing us.
Just because this generation is good doesn't mean the next one will be. Just look at the % of zealotry, crime and terrorism in the second generation of migrants.
I don't have a problem with hardworking nonwhites. But they should stay in their own countries.
If you actually need specialists or scientists then you pay them a lot of money to teach you how to do something so that you yourself have the ability to reproduce the knowledge and after that they can gtfo honestly. But I wouldn't care if there were 5% immigrants in sweden. Everyone else are redundant people that we don't need or want here. I know there are a lot of brown people who aspire to prove themselves in the west, but the hard truth is, we don't really need you and it is not our duty to provide you with this playground for your little dreams. Sweden hasn't done anything right, though, since you can't call any non-white or non-east asian immgrant hardworking so I would like to tell you, hardworking immigrant this, but I can't.
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Why did you come to a white country if race doesn't matter? i'm sure there are plenty of nice hard-working people in China and India
>genuinely nice, hard-working and intelligent non-whites
We're being exterminated but some of the people taking part indirectly in our undoing are nice!
yeah, let's not focus on our survival but how "nice" some fantasy people in OPs head are. And sage.
Daily reminder that all the American posters here supporter civic nationalism are not white. America is 40% subhuman.
Subhuman shitskins detected.
Guys you're trying to justify it to yourself, but the reality is you're human garbage and we don't want you in our lands. So kys pls.
When I say 5% immigration it would probably be 100% white. I am an ethnonationalist.
Because as soon as they get into positions of power they try to advance their group and get more of their people in. Every other group is ethnocentric.
Chinese and (((they))) are probably more dangerous than Africans for that reason, easier for them to get a food in the door.
No. Those non-whites should go to their own country and people and try to make it better, rather than staying in the ethno-state
We need a philosophical debate to resolve the micro vs macro situation, as another poster has suggested. And I'm a white man.
Asians are actually superior to whites, and in that case we should not pollute their genes with ours.
is that why the only two 1st world Asian countries are white colonies?
Damn those grade A genes...how can whitey even compete
I don't care how great they are. Our people are unique and have a right to exist.
I unironically believe this 100% but it's mostly personal.
Why destroy the identity and heritage of a person for the next 5 - 10 generations (if you purebreed from thereon out) and just throw out thousands of years of heritage out of the window? Other europeans is another thing since we are all basically the same both ethically (phenotypically) and culturally but breeding with an african is something that I would by no means approve of
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Home is where people speaks your language and looks like you, anybody who goes against this most essential principle just don't have the balls to advocate ideas that may backfire socially or just never knew the joys of living in an environment with homogeneous population and customs. I can't blame those who grew up in chaotic melting pots, it's the only reality they've experienced, it's only enraging how they expect to push their subjective perception down everyone else's throats.
>calls others shitskins
>spain
You all look like muslims, even to a mongrelized nation like America you only seem sorta-white
why kill all (insert a race here) if you can select breed the best persons of each race and sterilize the criminals and such?
>Home is where people speaks your language and looks like you, anybody who goes against this most essential principle just don't have the balls to advocate ideas that may backfire socially or just never knew the joys of living in an environment with homogeneous population and customs.
So you're against pet ownership?
>why kill all (insert a race here) if you can select breed the best persons of each race and sterilize the criminals and such?
Because ethno-nationalism is a gib-me-dat ideology.
"you look like me, therefore you must give me preferred treatment, or you're a traitor!"
not if the country is united for the common good and the weak are sterilized and marginalized
The white race should have its own living space comprised of Europe,North America,South Africa amd Australia.All shitskins would need to be deproted or killed and no subhumans would be allowed to live in our living space.
Likewise we would let their living space alone,if they are too many for too few resorces that is their problem.
>united for the common good
aka "love thy neighbor", and not "love people who look like you"
you are right
which kind of nationalism is this?
>which kind of nationalism is this?
It's not any kind of nationalism, it's basic Christian teaching.
>So you're against pet ownership?
I'm afraid to answer because i can hardly tell if you're making such comparison seriously.
You can't get over the fact for those outside of cosmopolitan environments the way you look is something to include in the list of things that keep the community together. You simply can't. I can accept new worlders' civic nationalist views, why can't you accept old world's ethnocentric one (which preexist any political definition one could think of) without labeling it as racist?
was just about to say
>the cuck religion
>I'm afraid to answer because i can hardly tell if you're making such comparison seriously.
Yes, I'm being serious. Dogs don't look like you; are you comfortable around them?
>why can't you accept old world's ethnocentric one (which preexist any political definition one could think of) without labeling it as racist?
It's not bad because it's "racist", it's bad because it's a gib-me-dat ideology. see:
In the USA, the people making the most trouble are niggers. Niggers in the USA are all mixed race people because of white men putting babies into their slaves and the popularity of free mixed race prostitutes in the south. Mixed race people are more messed up. Black people used to have their own community and churches, schools, towns, and neighborhoods and it helped them a lot... People from those areas were more likely to be hard working, law abiding citizens.
The problem is that in mixed race and culture areas, people don't know how to act and our society demonizes using social pressure to get people to be polite to one another in public, rather than just doing whatever they feel like if it isn't breaking any laws, and that's the legacy of white hippies in America, who were influenced by the CIA. This makes it hard to teach people to follow the better angels of their nature and encourages selfish individualism instead of service to your own people and community. Black people picked that up and used it to form modern black culture.
I'm not a supremacist, I'm a nationalist. It frankly doesn't matter to me if there are good nonwhites, they can be good in their own countries.
Racemixing is haram because it dilutes the unique cultures that have formed among the races. Multiculturalism erodes social trust and traditions, and makes us all culturally poorer.
I actually have a great fascination with other race's cultures, and I would like to see them preserved as well as my own.
This isn't to say all cultures or people are equal, just that everyone deserves to enjoy their own culture. West is Best, but that doesn't mean everyone should live like Westerners.
with the fact of like shit like immigration rules laws, walls, borders, coutnries, laws, shit like that
>Yes, I'm being serious. Dogs don't look like you; are you comfortable around them?
Because dogs don't play in the same league as humans, duh? Why am i comfortable around plants?
>It's not bad because it's "racist", it's bad because it's a gib-me-dat ideology.
No. If you don't give preferential treatments to your own people you simply don't feel an attachment to it. It's natural to want the public housing you pay to go to your own group first, just like between two equally prepared individuals you'll tend to employ the one who belongs to your group.
>How does one reconcile the belief races should not mingle and that race-mixing is absolutely haram with the fact that there are many genuinely nice, hard-working and intelligent non-whites?
For the same reason you exclude people from your family even if they're genuinely nice, hard working and intelligent. Your family, like like your nation, is define by blood.
>Excluding deserving nonwhites from white societies on the sole basis of race seems shallow
It's not. It sounds shallow to a modernism-progressivism-diversity infected mind. It's perfectly logical for a sane individual.
>white people should be the majority or at least solely wield political power within their own countries
This sentence makes no sense whatsoever, especially the last part. A country and its government is a reflection of the people who live within its borders. You can either have a white country, with white rules, white culture, etc, or you can have a diverse country. The moment a white country cease to be overwhelmingly white is the moment is ceases to be a white country, as the diversity fights to have a say on how things should be run. No society will ever be 100% native as there will always be that 0.something% of foreign influence, none is arguing this. Non whites are either numerically insignificant, therefore irrelevant, or they're not: if they aren't then at some point inevitably someone like a filthy, traitorous, corrupt politician will start to pander to them and their supporters, even if they can't vote. And the only way back is to physically remove (de facto) all non whites.
Demographic is destiny.
>very few on Sup Forums actually believe this. they just pretend to be super racist so as to deter reddit users from posting here.
Speak for yourself.
Oh ok, when Tyrone is putting his glock at me sideways, I'll be sure to treat him as an individual.
How's your gated white community?
>How does one reconcile the belief races should not mingle and that race-mixing is absolutely haram with the fact that there are many genuinely nice, hard-working and intelligent non-whites?
What exactly is there to reconcile? Usually shills at least try to find some inconsistency, flaw or paradox. They'll fail, but at least they try.
>very few on Sup Forums actually believe this. they just pretend to be super racist so as to deter reddit users from posting here.
I absolutely, literally and non ironically would not oppose a global genocide of dindus.
>How does one reconcile the belief races should not mingle and that race-mixing is absolutely haram with the fact that there are many genuinely nice, hard-working and intelligent non-whites?
Because the world is a big place. Genuinely nice, hardworking, and intelligent non-whites can go be genuinely nice, hardworking, and intelligent in their own countries. Lack of ethnic and racial diversity means no ethnic or racial conflict. Intelligent non-whites moving to white countries prevents their home countries from lowering poverty and therefore leads to more non-whites moving to the west.
I think it's fair that people of radically different race, culture or religion can visit and even live in white countries for long stretches of time (say up to 5 years or so), and vice versa, but they shouldn't be allowed to become citizens or be allowed to have kids during their stay. Exceptions to this rule would be countries not based on a particular ethnic group, like America.
>"you look like me, therefore you must give me preferred treatment, or you're a traitor!"
Wrong. It's more like: "you look like me, behave like me, talk like me, are genetically similar to me, live in the same area as me, and are on average less of a threat to me than everybody else out there, therefore must unite to make each others life less shitty".
There can be libertarian ethno-nationalist countries. But there can't be libertarian multi-racial countries as you can be your dumb fat fucking burger ass that as soon as the diversity outnumbers you they'll force things their way. And no constitution has ever stopped an mob of people to get things done their way if they really wanted to.
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it is simple, i believe europe should be for europeans, but places like america should be for everyone
good non-whites in europe should be given immediate american or canadian citizenship, and in exchange we deport illegals back to mexico to shore up the republican base.
>How does one reconcile the belief races should not mingle and that race-mixing is absolutely haram with the fact that there are many genuinely nice, hard-working and intelligent non-whites?
Whites have those qualities too. Non-whites will never be white.
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America is the home of the descendents of Europe. I don't think of hyphenated-americans as americans. I think of them as hyphenated. True americans are white and of european descent.
The non-whites, asides from the nigs who were brought here because of slavery, shouldn't even be here. That's how I can reconcile my belief.
If they're so fucking great, they should be in their country of origin making it less shit instead of coming to mine and demanding I respect them.
Bait as fuck, I only expect such cuckoldry from a leaf and an (((American)))
They can be nice, hard-working and intelligent in THEIR OWN FUCKING ETHNO STATE.
WHY DO THEY HAVE TO BE IN WHITE PEOPLES COUNTRIES BECAUSE THEY'RE FUCKING NICE???? completely brainwashed. Feel sorry for you.
Even if they are nice, they are not here to be nice. They might be polite to you while you meet them at school/work/wherever, just like I am polite to anyone I meet. This doesn't make it a good thing to begin with.
why did you guys have to go into their countries though
america was for the natives, india was for the indians, and africa was for the africans until the brits decided to take over the world.
you can't trek around the world without getting mud on your shoes. britain for brits is fine, but places like canada, america, and australia should be for everyone since those indigenous groups cannot obviously be nationalist anymore.
So arabs have a right to australian clay because muh abos? That is some stupid shit right there.
>america was for the natives
America didn't exist until we made it, fag.
So everyone has a right to Africa because we all came out of Africa, right?
I have never met a single non-white "American" who identifies as an American. I know two people who's family came here in the 60's and they still identify with their country of origin, lol.
Yet I know two first Generation Polish guys who identify as Americans.
Americans are really just a bunch of different Europeans in one. Screw off with the African-Americans (They don't even call themselves Americans) and the South Americans. We had true diversity until a bunch of third worlders started to populated.
>dude the native americans
There are around 5 million of them left, and I bet that a majority of them are mixed and barely natives. This country was founded by white european men, not a bunch of third world immigrants.
American culture is near dead and now we have a bunch of identity politics thanks to immigration from South America and killing segregation. We were fine but thanks to black "culture" replacing American culture and Mexicans not integrating we are fucked.
No more identity, no more success, just a bunch of shame, identity politics, mongrels, third world "culture", poverty (thanks to letting in a bunch of poor people rather than letting in only smart ones), and a dying majority.
That's beautiful Liberal voter but...
why don't those "genuinely nice, hard-working and intelligent non-whites" remain in the foreboding nations where they were born and improve there own people?
>genuinely nice, hard-working and intelligent non-whites?
Not in Sweden, there isn't.
I guess someone else got the cream of the crop.
>many genuinely nice, hard-working and intelligent non-whites
Good for them, why aren't they're nice and hard working in their non white countires?
Nigger
this, i only want white countries to stay 100 percent white, i don't give a flying fuck what's going on to other races outside of Europe. They can all be gone tomorrow due to some virus that only attacks non whites for all i care.
deserving what you leaf ?
The only race-mixing I view as remotely acceptable is white and Asian. For eugenics reasons, I hate anime and weebs.
africa is not a nation, but a collection of nations. if you want a british britain, and only brits allowed to live there, then i think the same courtesy needs to be extended to every other nation. though in some nations this has become impossible. native americans are 1% of america, they obviously are not going to have ethnic nationalism outside of a few reservations, and even that is quite substandard to having your own country. so it means that places like america need to reflect on their immigrant heritage and be a country for everyone.
here is the problem i have with this logic. you say you want europe to be only for europeans? ok that is fair. but america is not the european homeland, europe is.
when you came here, you gave up the right to ethnonationalism because you are living in another ethnic group's territory.
>white and Asian.
You're being too moral. Do you think any of the other races would care about us if we were a minority? Do you think when Sweden becomes majority Muslim they're going to "reflect on their immigrant heritage" and treat the natives with respect?
>because you are living in another ethnic group's territory.
They were fucking conquered. What part of this do you not understand?
i think america is a special circumstance because our nationality is defined by values instead of ethnicity. this has to be so because as whites we are not native to the americas, but rather moved here.
ethnonationalism would only make sense from the indigenous people. so yes, i can fully support a swedish sweden because that is their indigenous homeland. but an american america could only go two ways, either we gave it to the natives or accept ourselves as a country of immigrants.
like i've said before, ethnic nationalism makes sense for europe and i support that due to history. but it doesn't make sense in america, canada, or any of the new world because these were not european lands.
right, but i doubt you would feel the same way if sweden got conquered by muslims or whatever. i still see people on here angered that turkey has constantinople, even though that was taken by force.
listen man, if you care more about europeans than americans, perhaps you should do some ancestral research and obtain european citizenship.
>i doubt you would feel the same way if x happened
But it didn't. Stop speaking in platitudes.
>perhaps you should do some ancestral research and obtain european citizenship.
Perhaps you should gas yourself, kike.
not a good idea
a non-response, per usual
ethnic nationalism is never going to work in america, because there is no "american" ethnicity besides a few southerners checking off the box on the census.
America was 88.5% non-hispanic white in the 1920s
>source: en.wikipedia.org
I think that's plenty enough to form an ethnostate
Also, the American settlers weren't immigrants, they were settlers.
There's no such thing as "ethnic nationalism", it's just nationalism.
>How does one reconcile the belief races should not mingle and that race-mixing is absolutely haram with the fact that there are many genuinely nice, hard-working and intelligent non-whites?
Define "many". Also why do you think there's anything that need be reconciled?
>Excluding deserving nonwhites from white societies
There's no such thing as a deserving nonwhite. It is our sovereign right to decide who to let in.
All you're doing is giving hypothetical scenarios because you have nothing else to go on, and now you're saying I'm giving non-responses.
It seems your skull is too thick for logic to enter.
In friendships and personal relationships you can take whatever view you want, but such emotional thinking is harmful at a political level, that's when you start pandering and dishing out the gibs, so I want our governments to be as selfish about our race and culture as possible.
it may have been very white at one point, but it was not ethnically the same by any stretch. we were always a nation of multiple ethnicities. "non-hispanic white" is a weak identity, compared to say german, french, or english.
they may have been, but arguing over technical definitions doesn't change the fact that they came here from their ethnic homelands.
please tell me what an ethnic "american" is. it's quite clear there is no such animal unless you go back to the native tribes. and even then they were not uniform.
the moment your ancestors left europe they gave up the right to ethnonationalism. this country is and will be for everyone, our nation is based on values.
>very few on Sup Forums actually believe this. they just pretend to be super racist so as to deter reddit users from posting here.
Speak for yourself, faggot.
>it may have been very white, but it was not ethnically the same
... what?
I completely, whole-heartedly and un-ironically believe this. I think you're in the minority here friend.
Look at this pic. This was what Germans had once.
They could have it all.
they can go be nice and intelligent in their own country
diversity is a net negative for western societies, homogenous western cities would be safer, better, happier
>please tell me what an ethnic "american" is
Any mixture of European ethnicities who swear no allegiance to Europe and only to America, also known as "whites". Also, there was a select population of former Africans we also made citizens due to the forced nature of their migration and bondage, which also makes a "black" American ethnicity. That's it. Easily definable. If you aren't from either of those groups, you don't belong here.
>unless you go back to the native tribes
THEY AREN'T NATIVE
They migrated and conquered the land from the previous ethnic group: clovis man. There may have been some hominoid that was native to this set of American continents at some point, but we have yet to find any such evidence.
what i meant was, europeans are white, but they are not all the same. america was a mix of different european ethnics.
american just means someone who was born here or moved here legally.
>with the fact that there are many genuinely nice, hard-working and intelligent non-whites?
I do not want Whites with bad genetics (therefore I favour eugenics) and at the same time I do not want to live around intelligent non-Whites. The reason for this is that racial heterogeneity naturally destroys social cohesion which leads to indifference at best, but often to tension and conflicts and not seldom in civil war. If there is a resource conflict (collapse of welfare, financial system) it is particularly probable that a civil war will erupt. Different racial groups stick together and follow their own interests at cost of the other races.
t. some fucking mudskin
literally kill yourself
>american just means someone who was born here or moved here legally.
You are absolutely wrong.