Why can't we just copy Canada's healthcare system? It works well for them

Why can't we just copy Canada's healthcare system? It works well for them.

the reason starts with n and ends with iggers

No, it's fucking garbage

>Why can't we just copy America's democratic government? It works well for them.
You can't just transplant the whole system. America needs to make its own reforms.

Our system is much better, m8.

Why bother copying it? We give it to just about anything that walks in anyways

i never had to pay real for health services, it's great in Quebec but epidemic of fatass is making it non viable on the long term... we are taking care of people who can't even take care of their own health. thats problematic.

Not really. You'd be much better off with a free market system. Why do you want to pay for chain smoking obese people's healthcare?

Really? Forcing doctors to work on government mandated schedules and rationed healthcare with extremely long waiting periods and high costs are your ideal situation? Who wants to become a doctor in such a country?

oh ya who doesnt like giving birth to children in an ontario hospital that reaks of curry and piss

Yeah the only thing that could make america truly great is if everyone had to pay for 7 year olds' tranny hormone therapy like we do here.

>hey, you're the guy that needed that one life-changing surgery, right? it'll take around 6 months to 3 years, see you then :)

>hey, you're the sick guy right? i graduated in the bottom 10% of my class, but its okay because we aren't competitive in medical school here unlike the states. everyones a winner! :)

>hey, you have something wrong that no one can identify, right? well heres a list of doctors by alphabetical order because doctors arent ranked based on reputation or skill in canada because they are all paid and make the same amount of money. cheers :)

Because you are only 60% white and for a system like we have you need at least 80% white

You guys are cute

Our health care system is crumbling under the burden of overweight/obese aging population combined with endless spending on immigrants and their anchor families further complicated by health care reforms and funding cuts that gut the few remaining parts of the system that work well.

My friend sat in the ER with a broken arm for 8 hours before he saw someone.

Does this happen in the USA?

I'm fine with this

/thread. The problem with nonwhites, mass immigration and the welfare state means that the people who use healthcare the most don't actually pay into it.

You know their healthcare system only "works" because they have to hop the border for anything over a common cold?

Their healthcare system relies on ours.

nuggets?

>bonjour! you're in the ER in terrible pain right? 8 hours is really quite fast here in le ceneda, arent you grateful? :)

>le nigger meme

The hospital wait times are so long in Canada that by the time you get to see a doctor they already found a cure for fucking Ebola

yes, plus we get a ridiculously huge bill for it

>literally would have been faster to drive over the border to fix his arm

kek

Depends. If you walk into the ER you have to fill out a clipboard of papers then wait to be seen. Problem is the nigger with the "funny feeling elbow" walked into the ER too.

Mate, if you honestly think the freemarket is the solution, than your head is stuck so far up your own arse that you could massage your own prostate with your shoulders.

>niggers
>meme
do you know where you are?

Nice meme.
If I remember correctly, it's illegal to do hormone therapy on children.
When I was 13ish I broke my arm and waited for a pretty long time for treatment. I don't think it was 8 hours though.

Every Canadian complaining about healthcare in our country has never had anything serious enough to see the value of our system. If you're in legitimate need of urgent care that can be dealt with by the professionals on staff at the hospital you're in you'll be treated. All these faggots who went to the ER cuz their fucking noses are bleeding don't know wtf they're talking about

My uncle lives in Canada
He was told he needed a new liver and had 6 months to live
the waiting list was 2 years
he drove down to Michigan and got a new liver

>I broke my arm and waited for a pretty long time for treatment
well did you pay for it?

>It works well for them
It works so well that a shitload of canadians cross into the US for medical care because it would take eons to get it done in canada

Not even.. you broke your arm and waited 8 HOURS..? WOW 8 HOURS! literally 1/3rd of a fucking day for someone to correct a broken bone in your body. It wasn't as if in 9 hours your arm was going to fall off and you'd die..

Why not? It worked before. It can work again. We're paying more for healthcare now then we did 60 years ago. And why should I have to pay for someone else's healthcare?

It can, if you go to the emergency room of an "urban" hospital. You might have to wait half-a-day as all sorts of gunshot patients and kidney-failure diabetic fatasses and lardball heart-attack victims are wheeled in ahead of you.

USA has better survival rates for cancer than us.

If you aren't a welfare bum and can afford good insurance the USA is the better place to be.

Free market always turns into fucking olygopoly or duopoly.

Just look at the fucking internet providers in america. Wow what a nice free market, so many choices.

Nothing ever works because ((they)) abuse the system
Communism is shit.
Free market is shit.

I have had 2 serious problems before you braindead faggot. I have lost 2 years off my life thanks to misdiagnoses/being put on non urgent list when they should put me on urgent list. Then they say "sorry our mistake" Now its probably done many many years off my life. Fuck this country. They also ration their supplies like kikes.

here you wait 30 minutes...

What was your population 60 years ago compared to now?

Your healthcare should be cheap after the (((DAY OF RAKE))).

>2 years off my life
>implying you wouldn't be dead already if your problems were actually serious enough if you lived somewhere that medical help wasn't easily accessible

nigga you retarded?

Brokes bones can literally cause internal bleeding which can require amputation or cause death

>Free Market
>Has to compete with local governments who have franchise deals over the poles.

Pick one. Sure as fuck isn't free market.

Some places in Canada you can been seen instantly. The idiot who waited 8 hours was probably in a hospital with A LOT of other people. If you were in a hospital with a ton of people you might have to wait 8 hours to be seen over a non-threatening injury too

No it does not, we wait months and years, people die while waiting and it costs us billions per year piling debt

I used t work in a hospital

"Survival rates" are misleading, because they depend on "diagnosis," which is sometimes a sham in the US (seriously; a doctor in Michigan was sent to prison recently for falsely diagnosing hundreds of people with cancer so that he could make money off of their 'therapy').

It's more useful to look at overall life-expectancy.

I was in intense pain everyday and bedridden and they put me on nonurgent list by accident

Are you fucking stupid? Who is stopping doctors from opening smaller private clinics?

The entire population of Canada is less than the population of California. Trying to perform these experiments at the federal level just fucks over everyone.

>olygopoly or duopoly
Who cares? They pay far less for internet than we do. If several companies rise to the top because their more efficient and have better prices more power to them.

Proportionally more. Not in aggregate.

they're*

it does not

Last I went to the ER I went with chest pains and shortness of breath and it took around 15 hours to be seen due to the number of people going to the ER for shit like "My baby's ear is red"
t.Canuck stripeposting.

MD here. We have socialized medicine here in Bananaland. It is worse than Canada, but not by much.
Anyways, it is shit
Private healthcare all the way

I don't know why healthcare isn't socialized!

Do people really want to go bankrupt if they have a heart attack?

Like, what the fuck? Do people really care about some Jew doctor's profits? You should vote in your best interest!

>our system is better
Is that why I sat in a hospital for 11 hours with a pinched nerve and dislocated shoulder from a car accident? But it's ok because a nurse gave me band aids and alcohol wipes for the gashes on my face.

Waiting 40 years is not what I consider well.

We're practically bankrupt and it takes roughly half the state budget

Its fucked either way . Just tried to enroll in Obamacare and I dont qualify for shit. My state hasnt expanded coverage, medicaid wont cover. Its fucking worthless. All the leftist faggots on here I hope you realize that I as an unemployed white male can not get medical assistance through supposed medical assistance programs. What the fuck is the god damned purpose then? I dont have any conditions or anything.

I don't really care about global economies, but this graph shows the GDP % healthcare spending in pretend USA over so many years. It also proves you cunts are fucking retarded and that putting lead in water supplies is not a good alternative to fluoride.

Internet and healthcare are totally different, you fucking mongoloid retard.

The reason why we dont have a "free market" of Internet providers is because of infrastructure costs, local governments, and limited space.

For example, here in NYC (Manhattan specifically) we have basically 1 Internet provider (time warner/spectrum), with Verizon slowly creeping in. The reason for this is because the cost of creating underground Internet infrastructure is extremely costly, just in maintenance alone. Add in government licenses and contracts and all that garbage and you have companies not wanting to expand to certain areas, or it's just too expensive, because you would never recoup those expenses unless you had nearly 100% of the market share.

Now go back to your socialist little hell hole you call a country, because clearly you know nothing about capitalism and "free market"

Neck yourself.

-Happy American

The reason health insurance is so high is due to insurance policies doctors need to take out in case of a malpractice lawsuit. If congress used the state to reduce the cost of these malpractice suits directly or if they totally eradicated them entirely we wouldn't need all this stupid bullshit.

Compare US' spending on defense and international shit like NATO to Canada's. Not possible with our budget without significantly raising taxes.

There are 300 million Americans.

20 million or some that are illegal.

It isn't the same at all. Just go get health insurance. It's not that difficult.

I agree. So long as fat people, smokers and drinkers are denied any form of healthcare. Same for prisoners convicted of violent crimes.

This is what OP is unironcally arguing for. Let that sink in.

No it's not, it's absolute shit.

That's why my insurance will send me to the states for PROPER treatment if need be.

Didn't you guys just lose 11 trillion to some black budget crap?

You guys could give every person and nignog free healthcare if you stopped letting your leaders build personal underground utopias.

NO IT FUCKING DOESN"T!!!
WE HAVE THE WORST HEALTH CARE SYSTEM EVER WITH WAITS OF 10000000000000000000000000 DAYS FOR ANYTHING BECAUSE EVERY FAT ASS AND SHIT SKIN CLOGS THE SYSTEM.
IT"S FUCKING AWFUL AND TENS OF THOUSANDS DIE IN WAITING LINES
WE ALL GO TO THE USA FOR HEALTH CARE AND SURGERY

t. crybaby who goes to the ER every time xe has the tiniest booboo

Canada's healthcare works when triage isn't jammed up with white fuccbois trying to get their hypocondriac nonsense validated

>mfw someone says they have "fibromyalgia" near me

this is actually massively incorrect and the unrelenting uncaring bureaucracy that is the canadian administratum and its provincial subsidiaries is incredibly hostile to foreigners

emergency aid will be administered but that's about it

ive never not been seen instantly because i only go to the ER when i am literally fucking dying

a broken arm can wait 2bh, that is hardly a life-threatening injury

but sorry you had to wait 8 hours because there were 248071568 american refugees and native hamplanets

Yeah, my ex works as a neuro nurse in Buffalo. She said the list of Canadians waiting to be admitted/operated was bonkers. Like literal months long for people with brain issues.

our military spending is fairly proportional to any other country of similar size/population and we have one of the best paid militaries in the world

7 months to get an mri, 6 months to see knee specialist, 4 months waiting time for surgery.

that's not a systemic issue, that's an "there are literally not enough MRIs to go around" issue

all that would happen in a private market is that you'd wait less because many people would not be able to afford it at all and would wait literally forever, never getting treatment

when people bitch about waiting lists, its usually for shit like titty exams and people clogging up ERs with booboos solveable with "splash some alcohol on it and eat some asperin"

a cultural shift towards being able to do first-aid yourself for minor injuries (instead of getting stitches because you fell off your bike and scraped your knee) and leading healthier lifestyles overall (so people don't have to have triple bypasses all the time) would help more than decentralizing/privatizing the healthcare system

>Brazilian """education"""

Canada does not have a huge population of layabouts.

It's also very hard to immigrate to Canada.

>leaf healthcare far superior
get fucked dumpfys

But you pay for three years.

Here you wait and you pay.

Private system motherfuckers, they don't own you shit.

>Canada
>healthcare

I thought our healthcare system was good, because one time I had an anaphylactic allergic reaction to some shellfish allergy (deadly allergic reaction for you non-med plebs), and was immediately pushed to the front of the triage, got treated, no problem.

But if you have any non-serious medical emergency, you can expect to wait anywhere from 10-20x as long (or more) as the Americans. If we had a 85%+ white country without welfare bums or druggies I wouldn't mind keeping our healthcare system, but as it is, our tax dollars subsidize other people's bad life choices.
> Feels MAD man.

You think that's bad? Just wait until you have some chronic life threatening illness. If you don't have private health insurance by the time you're 40 you're out of your mind. Our "healthcare" system will just make you comfortable as you slowly die.

>If we had a 85%+ white country

lmao what its not blacks and arabs clogging up the ER, its hipster whites who insist on going to the doctor for every little thing

whens the last time you heard a nog say "uh oh I got a cat scratch, better go to the doctor to get it treated"

>but as it is, our tax dollars subsidize other people's bad life choices.
this will never not be true of any system that involves the gubment paying for something. your taxes go to the "bad life choices" of others like not using correct tires on roads leading to extra maintenance from damage due to studs or snow chains or even skidoo treads, or parents not homeschooling their kids and necessitating a public school system. or even just regulatory agencies to make sure business and industry don't cut corners on workplace safety -- simply installing a rail is cheaper than requiring a body of people to tell you to install a rail, that you then still have to install either way, but people are shitters so you need that regulatory body.

it is, however, probably still cheaper and better than leaving it to the private sector. I'd rather have cheap-to-free healthcare but have to wait than have no healthcare at all because I'm poor

>Just wait until you have some chronic life threatening illness.
yeah like fibromyalgia, boo hoo poor you stupid sa goon shitter

>Why can't we just copy Canada's healthcare system? It works well for them.

Socialism is not a productive system. When something is socialized, it becomes a black hole, a productivity sink, where capital is thrown into, never to return.

Socializing healthcare will gradually destroy it until there is nothing left.

Indians are having great success with affordable, free market healthcare.

It is a systemic issue.

I can have an MRI within 48 hours at a private clinic, all covered by private health insurance.

The Canadian healthcare system died years ago.

You've definitely never had a broken arm or leg.

Why should I listen to the opinion of some shitskin poorfag who doesn't want to pay for their own healthcare? Opinion discarded.

>Just wait until you have some chronic life threatening illness.
yeah like fibromyalgia, boo hoo poor you stupid sa goon shitter

>I can have an MRI within 48 hours at a private clinic,
again, that is because the waiting list at a private clinic is necessarily shorter because it's so expensive. there is a barrier to entry.

and its not like there's no private sector in canada, you can already just go get a private consultation if you really want one. eliminating medicare wouldn't change that. if anything, it would probably fuck up private clinics since people who can afford it but are willing to wait would suddenly have to go to the private clinic, enlarging its wait list