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1700
>architecture at its best is pure perfectionism
>art is unbelievably detailed and aestethically pleasing in its shapes and colors
>musical chords are complex to an insane degree and composing music requires an extraordinarily smart and creative person
>the general mindset among people is forward-thinking and living with meaning


2017
>architecture is always as boring and simple as it can possibly be
>art consists of splashes of paint on a canvas and literal garbage
>music is monotonous, to the point where it's almost numbing, most artists are entirely talentless and the lyrics are nothing but a vessel to encouraging to foul behaviour and hypersexuality
>humans are dumb as fuck even though we have all of the information humanity has ever gathered right in our pockets
>nothing matters to anyone anymore, expect branded products and social media

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I've researched the history of Western civilization from the time period of the 11th century to today, and what becomes more evident the more I study is that up to the 18th century human creations became increasingly creative and more complex, and after that century things started losing their artistic value.

What has happened over here? Why has legitimate creativity dissapeared, only to be replaced with stupidity and laziness? We have technical tools which are flat-out unimaginable to people in the 1700's and before, yet we use these tools to meaningless vapidity. It's paradoxical, and almost frightening to imagine that we live in such an exhausted society.

Thoughts?

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last bump :(

people are too busy replying to the same garbage threads to respond to a genuine discussion

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Yeah I kinda figured. This place has gone to shit

also, humanity has always experienced great periods of flourishment with great periods of decline

i blame the victorian era for fucking a lot of shit up

You can't even buy headphones typically anymore that allow you to appreciate classical sounds

People stopped believing in God and tradition, thus became nihilistic and careless

Not the reason

Large amounts of modern art is done by or paid for by jews

I hope Im wrong, but maybe its because theres nothing new we can try

All art and music has been played out due to extreme over saturation of artists. Therefore no more great people will arise

Astute observation, comrade.

Not sure what your point argument is though. I feel like this is sort of the essential grievance of Sup Forums.

Traditional art and architecture is an expression of mans highest values and virtues.
Modern art and architecture represents nothing.

also, big factor:

the decline of monarchs:

when you're a king, you don't mind spending a shitload to build a fantastic building..
vs.
you want to build some building and maintain as much profit as possible

what a lot of people don't realize is that building those classical buildings, even then, was expensive as shit...
but you saw a lot of state-funding buildings because the king viewed it as an investment

good luck getting your local congressman to approve something that doesn't pad his pockets

I think that because we have such amazing tools it causes culture to suffer. If everything is fast and convenient it causes people to get impatient. If they can't finish an art project in a couple of months at the maximum they get bored. Back in the 1700s there wasn't anything as fast paced and entertaining as video games for example, so they were ok with doing art projects that took a long ass time.

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19th century was the peak tho
Tolstoy, Dickens, Turner, Wagner, the impressionists, Kierkegaard and Nietzsche, etc

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your descriptions of the two eras betray the fact that you are a pleb

I say that as someone who does think the 18th century had a healthier attitude about art and architecture

>be richest muslim nation
>control holiest site in the religion
>build vegas casino-style hotel looming over it

modern art

>Musical chords are complex to an insane degree

You don't know anything about music

Animators are the hardest working artists we have left.

They removed God.

Art was a celebration of beauty, and truth = beauty = God. The Jews removed God from the public sphere, and that is why we have modern art that represents and symbolizes nothing, but celebrates the ugly and profane.

Don't even get me started on the Catholic Church.

Back in the two world wars, the only populations of males who did not serve were the mentally ill, the cowardly, the decrepit, and the criminally inclined. White genocide isn't ongoing, it's almost over. Most whites that made whiteness great lost their genes to war. That's why mental illness, leftism, and degeneracy are so common nowadays. That's why neo nazis look like literal üntermensch that would be first to the chambers. Thus, if you can't trace a relative to a survivor of the world wars, I would say you have no place in the ethnostate. Sadly, there are few of us left.

Nice argument you fucking moron.

The bourgeoisie took over and since then society has been run by bankers and industrialists who's only goal is to extract as much labor from the population as possible. Ideologies such as economic "progress" make everything about achieving abstract metrics of well being that completely ignore human nature.

We are slaves to intellectual systems that came out of the enlightenment and industrial revolution.

Please, get started on the catholic church go in depth, I think your onto something.

Explain

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>musical chords are complex to an insane degree

lol

>1700
>musical chords are complex
They literally just invented tonal music, are you retarded? Try again 200 years later.

Secular art existed alongside religious art for literally the entire history of the earth. They didn't remove god, they just created new styles to be different.

the 1700s is when people expected the arts with high expectations. In 2017, the bar is so low it makes you trip walking through the door.

thats the simplified version

>tfw admire the 18tg century
>tfw classical musician
>tfw we'll never return to an era of brilliance and sophistication like the 18th century had been
at least opera and the like are still preformed some with period setting. also reacting and companies lik James Townsend and son are great for well made period clothing also comfiest channel on YouTube desu

Vatican II. Freemasons. Modernists.

They have removed beauty from religion. The Catholic Church sponsored some - no, not some - THE most beautiful art Man has ever created. Today, this is where they worship.

>Secular art

Fuck me thats chintzy, and to think Europeans used to take pointers on architecture from the ME

My favorite, just the toccata though.
youtube.com/watch?v=WNZ1AEuJ3lM

2 words
Liberal democracy
Or, being equal and "free" leads to the retardation of everything.

I think art has two main features: meaning and effort.
Old art had both. Modern "art" usually has only an illusion meaning without any effort.
Why? Because without effort you can produce a shitton of junk and kikes attach a meaning and price to it.
In old time you could objectively judge the value of an art piece.
Nowadays only Mr.Shekelschteinbergovits from Oyveygevaltovitz foundation who has a phd in art criticism from Columbia university can determine value of art. If you disagree with Mr.Shekelschteinbergovits you're just an uneducated brute. If you want to understand art you should get a phd at a good school too, just pay half a million of dollars and Mr.Silverberg will teach you.

It's simple; people had more time and energy to invest into whatever they did, there weren't clock crunching deadlines, there weren't distractions such as TV or internet (people then could devote themselves completely to a project), imaginations hadn't been poisoned by 'modern culture' and people didn't just take pride in their work they literally made it their purpose in life

Back then if you were bored and had the skills you built timeless masterpieces, now we build timeless memes, same shit different toilet

1700
>architecture requires certain shapes because thats all our building materails can handle. they just happen to be very ornate and pleasing to the eye.
>Art strives to be detailed because photography hasn't been invented yet.
2017
>reinforced concrete and steel mean we don't need to waste material making arches and bricks and shit. can basically make whatever shape we want.
>photography took over the role of traditional art so now art is about aescetics and expression rather than replicating reality.
Fixed it for you OP

Ebin wrong generation you got there in music

Those two seconds after 1:01 are so insane

To add onto this, you can either strive to have equal beginnings or equal outcome. No in-between. Trying to do so is contradictory.

if I wanted an argument I wouldn't have it on Sup Forums. but here you go.

statements like "music is monotonous, to the point where it's almost numbing" are either obviously untrue or so subjective as to be meaningless

even if you are troubled about the rise of nihilism in the modern world, as I am, "nothing matters to anyone anymore, expect branded products and social media" is still obviously not true.

other bits, like "art consists of splashes of paint on a canvas and literal garbage", describe only a small subset of modern art and cannot possibly be sufficient as an attack on all modern art. there was some awful art in the eighteenth century, too.

one really ought to hesitate before generalizing about the differences between two eras. even if you think you can see the difference clearly, you are likely to fail in defining it.

I do think that our modern art forms are in many ways deficient. But when people who know nothing about them make childish and stupid attacks on them, it makes the defenders of these arts feel justified, and seems to support the belief that all conservatives are uncultured idiots. For the same reason, I can't stand Paul Joseph Watson's videos.

A bad advocate will spoil a good cause.

I blame it on the lack of Faith. Any kind of Faith, be it in a god or simply in an optimistic future or even the decency of humankind.
To create great art we have to be inspired by great ideals and symbols. However today we made great effort to destroy everything we belived in. Today apocaliptic views of the future are common, true belivers of the great religions are rare, most people still hold up to it by tradition, and concept like civilisation and superiority are falling appart.
The art of a society is inspired by what this society belives in, and in our case we don't belive in anything anymore, so our art in basically inexistant. The few exemple of modern good art are basically unknown by the majority.
If we want great art again we must belive again in something, preferably in something positive that inspires by itself transcendant and perfect art.
That's what is think at least

your inbreedery... and the jeweing of the sultanate of helsinki.

should have lost to russia when you had the chance

Why can't we have threads like this more often desu

>what a lot of people don't realize is that building those classical buildings, even then, was expensive as shit

That's true. Parthenon is a pretty cool one, even though we're talking way earlier than the 16th-18th century obviously.

>Parthenon cost 469 Talents to build
>1 Talent was enough to build a trireme
>1 talent was enough to pay the entire crew (200 men) of a trireme for a fucking month

That's some serious fucking cost.

I believe it is due to the enormus amount of distractions and our ever-increasing lack of attention, and the extent to which people have less and less time on their hands: formal education, 9-5 jobs, commuting, etc.

In the 18th century, people had LOTS of free time on their hands, they were able to concentrate on a specific thing for far more time.

Back then, also, there was a lot less competition on every single human field. So it was a lot more rewarding to make an effort on details. Nowadays, in order to stand out, whatever it is that you produce, it has to be economically "efficient". So: will the extra effort on the architecture details will pay off? Probably not. Will anyone pay for that then? Probably not. Etc.

the height of architecture in the 1700's was the result of almost 1000 years of what you call the 'dark ages.'. without the dark ages it would have been completely impossible.

God is dead.

So is man.

And finally humanity.

READ THIS AND GET WOKE
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I also like to compare one era's cool features to another's bad features. It makes me feel like I have an important point to make

Satan and Jews

You probably heard this before, but it is simple.

Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create lazy men. Lazy men create hard times.

Right now, we are seeing the good times unraveling due to everyone's laziness and obsession with trivial things, like being politically correct and such. It is a matter of time before the hard times become truly apparent, when the majority of millennials finally get on the work force, only to realize that all of their jobs are taken by globalism and automation. Trump is a step in the right direction, but we need a leap to ensure that we do not collapse completely into civil war. Right now, we are in hard times, but they are creating stronger men (gen Z). They are growing up now and have proven to be much more conservative, due to the fact that the Great Recession hit their families hard and due to the constant presence of crazy SJWs. Besides richer kids and minorities, most of Gen Z will be a lot more right winged then previous generations. Mark my words. The hard times will hit hard, but we will survive.

Why did those cool features became bad?

You cannot disregard OP's point, no matter how cynical you are.

this. perhaps we are just exposed to too much of the scum the earth has to offer, but it seems as though passion through art is gone
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Daily reminder that God exists and you are all basically fucking stupid.

Also reminder that art in 1700 had to do with Christianity while now with devil worship.

Well 99% of people never experienced that art.

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Technology has made us both lazy and impatient. You cannot achieve enlightenment or high culture with our current mindset. Globalists wanted to turn us into robots and robots is what they got. Our souls have been caged.

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had to pass this every day going to class. It really is a disaster.

But partly that is because of budget cuts which meant that it could not be anything like what the architect imagined.

(I suspect it would have been hideous anyway)

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1700: Before the invention of the camera there was a need to depict realism. All wealth went to monarchy and church and the architecture reflects that

2017: Cameras are everywhere. You don't need to paint realistically anymore, the concept is more important. Chinese can paint anything realistically for a fraction of the price. All wealth goes to corporations and architecture reflects that.

It doesn't even work well as a museum space.

My Canadian nigga, posting the black paintings.

Look up The Fell Machine. Worst use of Saturn eating his Son.

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Shitty modern art is kind of done in spite of old art.

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Why do people on this board like almost tacky, overdone baroque art

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Essential viewing

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Just so you know, I appreciate the image dump.

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>post modernism

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And I think thats the last one.

What am I looking for?

Music of the 1700s was essentially chordal, but they weren't even at Beethoven yet. Most things were diatonic and formal (as in standard forms like ritornello). Concertos were literally written nearly the same way every time, like pop songs now. At the time, Bach, for example, had a job writing a cantata every Sunday for the church he worked at. Complicated chordal structures came after Beethoven, in the Romantic period. Then you start to see the music of Dvorak, Debussy and later, Stravinsky take over, and the shift to atonal music begins (see Bartok, etc).

Basically, the 1700s was not known for its complicated chords.

I would hardly call Monet religious.

I think it's mainly just that the creation and consumption of art and music used to be limited to the most elite members of society. Art was made by the best of the best and was dedicated to kings and Gods and aristocrats. Now it's made for plebs because muh dollars. There's also a literal avalanche of art out there because anybody, literally anybody, can pick up a paintbrush and make shit. That's not really how it used to be, if you were a historic slave or peasant you weren't going to be painting shit. That said there's fucking amazing art and music out there being made in modern times, you just have to sift through mountains of shit to find it.

the geniuses are supressed worldwide by jews.

Telsa was murdered.

Schauberger was suppressed.

But would you call him materialistic?

also Einstein is a total fraud actor designed to hypnotize the world away from Tesla's brilliance.

It is ritualistic ruination of any true beauty by the Eternal Jew.

Silly son't you know most intellectuals are Jews themselves? It's not like they'd go out and kill Einstein ya dufus.

Follow the money. I still hold that among the entire population on earth there are only a few brilliant people at a time. Those people in the past wrote amazing music and did amazing art and now they are doing amazing science.

Look at some anime art. That stuff can be generic as hell but on the norm the quality of the people putting out the best stuff is amazing compared to what it was even a decade ago.

Brilliant people are still making stuff. They are just mostly doing it behind closed doors because you are either on the cutting edge making the money or you don't get anything but leftovers.

no that's a meme from faked iq scores using race games like hispanic-white and jew. jews are inbred and stupid