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/lrg/ LIBERTARIAN RIGHT GENERAL
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David Green
GENERAL READING LIST:
>The Law - Frédéric Bastiat
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>Free To Choose - Milton and Rose Friedman
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>Hayek’s The Constitution of Liberty - Eugene F. Miller
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>Liberalism: In the Classical Tradition - Ludwig von Mises
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>Man, Economy, and State - Murray N. Rothbard
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>Anatomy of the State
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>Egalitarianism as a Revolt Against Nature, and Other Essays - Murray N. Rothbard
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Nathaniel Cruz
HOPPE READING LIST:
>Articles by Hans-Hermann Hoppe
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>The Economics and Ethics of Private Property
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>A Short History of Man: Progress and Decline
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>Democracy - The God That Failed
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>A Theory of Socialism and Capitalism
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>From Aristocracy, to Monarchy, to Democracy
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>The Myth of National Defense: Essays on the Theory and History of Security Production
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>The Private Production of Defense
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>Economic Science and the Austrian Method
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>What Must Be Done
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David Nelson
Libertarianism is political nihilism and will lead to communism.
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Zachary Sanders
Libertarianism is not political nihilism and is the anti-thesis of communism.
Libertarians hold strong pro-market anti-state positions.
Eli Carter
why would you call us libertarian -right-? this implies that there's a libertarian left aswell which is a contradiction.
Brayden Phillips
I agree with you, I just wanna make it clear this thread is not for cucky left-hand"libertarian" faggots.
Michael Clark
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Henry Richardson
Good goy. Ethnonationalism is for Israel only. Civic nationalism is for goys. Don't worry, those third worlders won't eventually vote for judeo-communism.
Ethnonationalism for America wouldn't even be possible. Sure Jews built a ethnostate from land that was some 5% Jewish but that's because they're the chosen people. It could never happen in America they are 50% nonwhite.
Zachary Ramirez
Conservatarian reporting in (Frank Meyers Fusionism for the nerdy among us)
I would also include "Liberal Fascism" by Jonah Goldberg and either Augustine or Aquinas on the the natural law & free will.
Wyatt Diaz
Where do you fags get the idea that I promote Civic nationalism?
Carter Wood
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Liam Phillips
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Jaxson Hall
Revving up this thread.
Ethan Wilson
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Jason Evans
Thank you for your service.
Benjamin Walker
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Angel Torres
Political nihilism? I'm an intuitionist, and absolutely despise nihilism.
Benjamin Turner
Would there be public property in ancapistan?
Charles Lee
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Liam Walker
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Grayson Phillips
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Henry Torres
mein fuhrer...
Nicholas Nguyen
This development where leftist shills are trying to discredit anti-communist idea's by calling them jewish shills is pretty meta.
>and by meta I mean retarded and painfully transparent
Elijah Wright
Rate my meme, my fellow goys.
Not to mention the other day some stormie was calling me a D&C shill on the grounds that there are "few" spaniards on this board and the guy opening commie threads also had a spanish flag.
Confirmation bias, extreme self-delusion, etc.
Hunter Turner
>attacking gypos
No EUgibs for you, moornigger racist biggot REEE
Xavier Cook
fuck off commie spic
Jason Collins
>0.15 Reichsmarks were added to your account.
Jackson Hill
Franco should have finished the job.
Evan Bennett
If you're the same /liberty/ spic from yesterday you're cool with me. However we gotta watch out for double agents. Sup Forums is full of commie shills.
Hunter Lee
this
Tyler Russell
I usually do most of my political discussion/research in /liberty/, but I see having threads like this here as a very positive thing for once.
You don't know shit about Franco.
Easton Young
Leftists are more dangerous than Nazis. We need an alliance to destroy the Marxian cultists.
James Williams
To be honest I was paranoid about your flag as well. I've caught a handful of lefties trying to subvert our goys while pretending to be libertarians. But I looked at the archives and Spain operating a /liberty/ thread checked out to be true.
Josiah King
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Isaiah Ramirez
>libertarianism means civic nationalism
wew lad
Brody Lewis
this would be good if you didn't fuck up in the end
Nathaniel Martin
Opinions on New Hampshire free state project? Worth it or are there better places to live a non degenerate, state free and traditional way of life?
Austin Phillips
it's a noble idea but it costed them a senate seat to the Dems by splitting the vote. Plus a lot of people from Massachusetts are moving to NH since they already fucked up their state.
Bentley Howard
Anywhere you can have guns and low taxes is good enough. As for non degenerate living maybe more conservative areas might be for you.
Noah Allen
everything should be privatized. what are you more likely to keep clean, your back yard or your local park? people often think libertarianism has no solution for environmentalism but privatization of nature is the best way to keep the earth clean. who in their right mind would willingly decrease the value of their land?
Nathan White
/lrg/ is back. nice. bout the only threads worth checking in this shithole
Aiden Collins
classical liberal reporting in, libertarian is too much a stretch ideologically
Jacob Wilson
Who will prevent people from making roads tho?
Brandon Russell
NO!
Carson Jenkins
Classical liberalism is the philosophy that supports minarchism. So it's pretty much under the umbrella of libertarianism.
Small gov conservatives (like many republicans allegedly are) are called classical liberals and libertarians alike.
Robert Baker
government should maintain large important roads but devolve smaller ones to local companies
Nathan Jenkins
I dunno man, fuck taxes. If I'm to advocate for a state might as well go full NatCap and locate some funds to helicopter removal.
Gabriel James
>large important roads
Those are exactly the ones it shouldn't maintain. The US had a free market in railways and until the state mixed in there were no problems with monopolies. I read this years ago but I think there were about 4 major companies competing and progress was good and prices kept getting lower. Now look at their piss poor railways.
Levi Perez
Hey Libertarians, street lighting.
Jacob Ross
Sage this Yankee shit.
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Dylan Foster
Fucking bump you dong-washer.
Carson Thompson
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Jason Taylor
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>"All the common areas of Atlantic Station including the streets, sidewalks, parks, [street lighting,] and alleys are private property.”
If streets are private, those things get better taken care of than if some politician is in charge. This is the solution that applies to every conceivable "public goods" problem.
Nah, that would be a shitty solution. Community (private) lighting would probably more prevalent.
Isaac Rogers
Made me giggle.
Adrian Torres
>If streets are private, those things get better taken care of than if some politician is in charge. This is the solution that applies to every conceivable "public goods" problem.
Then you have the problem of rich-poor disparity, this how you get uprisings and end up in modern socialist Europe.
Mason Green
Cultural Libertarian is the best kind.
All anti-com "muh roads" fuckwits can die without paying for firemen to save them... the fuckwits.
Nolan Murphy
shit alright you made me change my opinion
Adam Roberts
>Cultural Libertarian
>muh any skin colour is okay
Yeah nah mate.
Landon Butler
Wouldn't a market without government interference and so consequently without minimum wage be bad? Like, unemployed people would get the job for less and less money.
Landon Martinez
All the shitty parts of libertarianism without the functional parts. Nice try Sargon. This thread ain't for libtard socialists.
Ryder Phillips
man your retarded. you think the communists are just going to let you do your own thing? if you leave them be they are going to use the current government to wittle away and erode any freedom you have and, being a "cultural" libertarian is being a communist you fucktard.
Zachary Ortiz
These people are nogs who took a basic mirco course and said "Yeah you see, perfectly competitive markets blah blah blah" without actually realising perfectly competitive markets don't actually exist.
Also this is the 5th captcha I've gotten where it's just been trees and I have to look for a stop sign.
Carson Parker
>this how you get uprisings and end up in modern socialist Europe.
I wouldn't say Europe is suffering from a surplus of free markets. They've made sure over the course of decades to be almost as authoritarian as the monsters they fought to defeat. You get a rich-poor disparity like in Greece where the Greek government over spends for decades and tries to morally brow beat Germany into giving them more money. They wouldn't have had any riots in the first place if the Greek government didn't spend like a pimp with a week to live.
Jaxson Carter
'Anarcho'-capitalism is neo-feudalism.
Jackson Ross
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Luke White
Every single classically economically liberal empire has fallen to socialism because humans trend towards the lowest state of entropy.
Those who are rich work to only solidify passive income since that is the lowest state of entropy they can achieve. This is how you get an aristocrat class.
The poor work to achieve low entropy but they cannot because of the aristocracy. They then start an uprising or threaten one, and then the aristocracy either collapses (as seen in Russia) or they cede a fractional bit of ground to keep the masses happy, like Rome.
In the 1700s Britain was practically a fully free market with very limited economic restrictions placed in times of war. Now it's very socialist. The poor are and always will be (by the nature of economically free society) be the biggest cohort of people in a society. They will see the rich, be envious and want to achieve lower entropy. This is how Rome fell and its the way Europe is going.
This is why libertarianism will never work. It's not sustainable.
Angel Sanchez
Alright fuckers, let's talk some shop. I've been a libertarian since late 2016 (Thanks, 2k16 election), and I've been mulling over a few things, specifically, the role of government in relation to the crony capitalist system. My personal view is that government should not necessarily be eliminated, but definitely limited, because I believe that with the deregulation of certain areas of the market, and the strengthening of regulation in a few places, it could potentially ensure that the market stays free. I also believe in the repeal of citizens united because it allows for the government to be owned and controlled by crony capitalists, who monopolize resources in the free market. What do you guys think? Looking for a genuine convo on this because I'm really trying to figure out what I stand for.
Aiden Cox
>Then you have the problem of rich-poor disparity,
That argument operates under the assumption that such a problem doesn't already exist with most state sponsored public goods.
The public security monopolies (police) already overprotect wealthy areas while completely neglecting poorer zones, which tend to be crime-ridden.
The public infrastructure monopoly already inverts way more in tidying and maintaining wealthy zones and infrastructure while completely forgetting less wealthy zones, which tend to have a quite lamentable infrastructure (potholes, broken lights, etc).
Poor people pay taxes too but don't get their corresponding "share" of protection. If they owned the streets they could hire a security agency for a fraction of what the state charges them. The incentive would be way stronger since having more crime they would save money contracting such services than they lose via theft or mugging.
Same goes for lighting, education, and pretty much everything else. Why should people who can't afford to have kids pay for education for people who do? Why should people that they themselves couldn't afford to go to college pay for other's people college education?
Whenever you see public services is pretty much always a redistribution of resources of lower income people to higher income ones, even though it's often fueled by progressive narrative.
Luis Mitchell
There is no such thing as a minimum wage. The minimum wage is and always will be zero dollars hour. There only is the state mandated prohibition to work from 0-X units of currency. In other words, minimum wage is not a guarantee, it is a prohibition.
As a matter of fact, the minimum wage in its origins was proposed as a policy for eugenics in 19th century England. They believed that if they banned poor people from working they would starve and their "inferior" genetics wouldn't pass to the next generation. The same did the Yankees in Northern USA, but this time they used the minimum wage to prevent blacks from working.
Minimum wage is just a policy that favors the middle class by excluding lower classes from the job market.
Nice to see you, chairman John. Make sure those filthy proles work!
Logan Martin
>That argument operates under the assumption that such a problem doesn't already exist with most state sponsored public goods.
No it doesn't. I'm not advocating for the current system.
Grayson Green
change to legacy captcha then
Ryder Cooper
Are you seriously advocating for the legalization of rape?
Jonathan Cooper
I don't think I understand what's your point then.
If you don't think that privatization as a means for solving the public goods problem would work then you must necessarily be advocating for state monopoly of infrastructure and security provision.
To me it's an either/or question. State provision of these goods tends to be redistributory, whereas in a private enterprise basis everyone would get what they pay for.
Xavier Diaz
It's not legalisation if the law doesn't exist.
Matthew Sanchez
No, we are advocating for the legalization of self defense and proportionate retaliatory violence.
Which is something that your country desperately needs, to be honest.
Levi Jackson
So if a woman gets raped on the street and the dude is just so strong and fast that she can't do anything against it and he then murders her and hides her body in a forest
Who would prosecute the perpetrator?
Thomas Lopez
I'll reply to you, since you appear to not be a meme, but its a question to the whole thread really.
You do realize that libertarianism, and free market, rely on open borders to get cheap labor in, right?
The defense mechanism is to have low tax and low social benefits, so the aliens HAVE to work, else they starve, but the system still promotes immigration and still abolishes the idea of nation or patriotism.
And while I myself am not spooked, I am sure a lot of people posting here, larping as free market capitalists, actually wouldn't be okay with that.
Nolan Stewart
My point is libertarianism is not sustainable and it will just end in the same system we see today.
>To me it's an either/or question
Third positions exist. It's how national socialism came to exist. Dislike the current system, dislike communism and dislike liberalism.
Justin Garcia
Mate I'm just stirring shit.
Lucas Price
>definitely limited
How do you achieve this?
>strengthening of regulation in a few places
Which places? If lawsuit for damaging property (air and water included) would become common it might be better than inspectors going to check on companies. You can't rely on inspections alone and when the state says everything is up to spec and the environment is still getting polluted what do you do?
>market stays free
Free market means free from interference by the government. If you use the other definition you could stretch it as far as literal communism so it's pointless. It's regulated market then.
>monopolize resources in the free market
Give a specific problem.
I can give you something on the privatization of water supply in Argentina.
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>child mortality fell 8 percent in the areas that privatized their water services and that the effect was largest (26 percent) in the poorest areas.
So higher quality, lower disease, good price. I don't see the problem. If the companies want business in the future they won't fuck with their customers.
Jaxon Gutierrez
So ancap is just a meme?
Xavier King
Obviously the community would.
If you know that there is a rapist murderer in your settlement you will probably get together 5 bucks each and hire the local warlord to hang someone.
Julian Thompson
It's the same as anarcho communists. People like to think they believe in it but if the ideas were actually implemented into reality they'd shit their pants.
Camden Jackson
Women can get legal steroids to outrun rapists.
Jacob Thomas
You should visit America, there's people that are walking an-cap memeballs
Michael Walker
There is something to be said about societies and governments becoming more collectivist over the generations. Sure, we can make the eschatological argument for this happening and anyone who studies history knows that Augustine and Hobbes are right on human nature. But I think the important/essential thing about libertarianism (if a pure libertarian state can never be achieved) is what Kirk called "rear guard" or what Albert Jay Nock described as being the janitors of the state. If we cannot stop the "leviathan" state from growing, at least we can make it less burdensome in some degree or fashion.
Brayden Ward
Courts would still exist in a right-anarchist society for the exact same reason that you're asking such a question: because there is demand
Carson Hughes
The body has not been found and her only relative is her autistic father who has no money and no friends. He cancelled his QuickResponse™ crime insurance bc he couldn't afford the recent premium increases and because he doesn't have any friends he doesn't know where to get the money to pay the police for an investigation which is expensive as fuck if you're not insured
Not an argument
So laws would still exist too? I demand laws where are my laws? I remand gibsmedats where are my gibsmedats?
Jonathan Smith
More like it's a logical extreme that people advocate tending towards but don't believe it would ever fully be implemented.
Also, people are allowed to agree with an ideology in part. For example I think a free market is better than any alternative, but I also don't think that a free market necessarily avoids monopolies. Turns out people can think for themselves and come to conclusions, who knew?
And if we're playing the game where we pretend our respective preferred ideologies are going to be pushed to some negative extreme, there's nothing saying that NatSoc can't fall into any number of pitfalls that historically, every authoritarian government has in the past. People are corruptible. But also, that's beside the point.
The real point is that, if a NatSoc woke up one day and found that his worst neighbors were right-leaning libertarians, and if one day a Capitalist woke up and found that their worst neighbors were National-Socialists, that would be a pretty good day for both of these people. Even though I don't agree with NatSoc as an ideology I'd like to live under, I prefer it vastly as a neighbor to any number of communist, socialist or democratic nation.
William Ortiz
Please explain to me how a street can neither be owned by the state or a private group of people and still be maintained. What is the "third position" in this specific issue?
I'm thinking you must be baiting here and are completely uninterested in the topic.
Nobody would actually suport a system that didn't solve issues like that. You are really holding us in really low regard if you believe so.
The reason many people supports ancapism is because modern day's judiciary systems are based on penalization or rehabilitation but more often than not the completely forget the victim, treating it as a nuisance. One of the main appeals of libertarianism is that advocates for restitutory legal systems, be them either private or public.. I already wrote a fuckton of text today so I'll rather leave this link that explains it better than I ever could.
Adrian Bailey
Literally just look up the concept of voluntary society and your questions will be answered.
Jacob Murphy
If you want laws then you can pay a firm to protect you under those laws. This would work exactly the same as taxation, only without force. Governing firms would therefore be directly subject to your demands via your ability to fund and defund them.
Nicholas Scott
My question is where is the law?
Anthony Stewart
>to pay the police for an investigation
Insurance companies pay. You pay insurance companies before the crime. So they pay you out for damages immediately. And to avoid paying out more victims they'll prosecute the perpetrator. The laws are made by judges. It's called common law and it works on the basis of precedent. If these judges make shitty decisions they get phased out of operation more effectively than under a monopoly.
Carter Anderson
The mistake you're making is thinking that morality is state enforced. Please watch any Hoppe lecture on libertarian societies.
Liam Baker
Let's say I'm a poor fag and my "law insurance" doesn't cover rape bc I'm a man and I don't expect to get raped but then I get raped by some faggot. He can't be prosecuted though because it's not covered - is that a moral society?
I could just go hunt some poorfags who can't afford insurance and nobody could prosecute me
Michael Rivera
There is no "the law".