Why doesn't communism work Sup Forums?

Why doesn't communism work Sup Forums?

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>everyone is equal, everyone gets equal
>no motivation to be better than the next guy
>people stop giving a fuck
>infrastructure collapses, there is not enough food
>it's not self sufficient
Plus, it's always run by dictators for some reason. Probably because people wouldn't actually democratically vote for communism.

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you eventually run out other people's money

Because it depends on a hivemind. We are not a hivemind, humans aren't ants.

An individual can fuck the entire system up, a system that fragile can only be supported by the biggest morons on the planet.

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Well that's socialism, but they're pretty much at that same level.

>(((communism)))

The truth about immigration, by the numbers:

>youtube.com/watch?v=LPjzfGChGlE

Cultural Marxist Jews Admit Organizing White Genocide

The plan to eliminate the white race:

>youtube.com/watch?v=bOgkGzMdieI

Cultural Marxism in action… Political Correctness, the tip of the blade:

>youtube.com/watch?v=q6c_dinY3fM

Cultural Marxism & Social Justice Explained:

>youtube.com/watch?v=xnqIj8C2Aek

Why are we in Decline - Cultural Marxism:

>youtube.com/watch?v=VggFao85vTs

also see

The facts about slavery in North America:

>youtube.com/watch?v=b5tci36bNjg

Cultural Marxist Jews fund media propaganda against whites on an enormous scale:

>youtube.com/watch?v=-4Ojbi6lXQI

Does this sound familiar at all? (starting at 6:52)

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The Holocaust:

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>youtube.com/watch?v=TxpIsep4160

What do you mean by "for some reason" ? You said it yourself. People stop giving a fuck, so you need someone pushing you to do something or die. That's the dictator. That's the only way communism can work, and by then "its not real communism".

That's not exactly true. The Soviet Union and Eastern Bloc collapsed for a variety of reasons. Anyone who claims that equality and (theoretically) reduced motivation are what killed it is probably eating from the trash can of ideology. As for the dictator bit, most capitalist countries are also run by dictators. You just don't hear about them. You instead hear about democratic mixed economies like those in Northern Europe.

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because we will never be equal and these idiots cant understand this

because reality

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Anarchy doesn't exist in the long run, so commie states always remain in the post revolution party absolute rule. Collectivization has empirically shown itself to reduce short run efficiency. Central planning is typically inefficient. People see decreasing gains for harder work because the most productive are still averaged with the least productive.

Communism expects every nation of the world to simultaneously give up national sovereignty and for there to be free and infinite resources. Communists seriously believe a store could have infinite products to support a population and it could never run out.

Because smart people will fuck everything?

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Because its ran by commies.

There are several reasons that have been well developed by several economists, but the most obvious and biggest problem the system has is pic related.

What? But yes Attila the Hun and Genghis Khan were pretty smart and they fucked everything and everyone.

Humans don't want to be equal. Deep down, we know we're not. That's sort of how we got to be the top species on the planet. By constantly "bettering" ourselves and proving we were better than the next man. That's all there is to it. Not some singularity bullshit, not some destiny or genius or great animal mind, just "I'm better than everyone else and i'll prove it", a million times repeated throughout history.

>Anyone who claims that equality and (theoretically) reduced motivation are what killed it is probably eating from the trash can of ideology
Partially, maybe. Centralized economy planned by fanatical bureaucrats, institutionalized nepotism, and valuing sycophants over competent personnel is a recipe for a deeply disfunctional society.

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The bettering yourself mentality is literally just indoctrination, it is not something biological we humans have. If you were right white guilt and cuckholds wouldn't exist.

Because when you do it, capitalist elites organize against you en masse via blockade, war, and CIA backed coup. Hence it doesn't work! Checkmate and go to the helicopter commiefags also here's a graph my 8th grade civics teacher showed me yesterday because I don't actually know enough about economics to explain my position

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gosplan
Not perfect, but interesting to read about.
Those were definitely problems that became serious in the USSR. Another thing was the 0% unemployment combined with the low movement of workers between industries. People could work very little at their job and wouldn't have to worry about being put into another job,

Because humans are naturally faulty and self-interested.

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>you pretended to pay me so I'll pretend to work

and everything goes to shit

It can work, but only as a parasite to a healthy host. The Soviet Union had much poorer satellite countrys to feed off of and only had to pay for a much lower standard of living. If you want to make an argument for first world communism you need to look to the US military. Now realize that the number one cost in the military is personnel. If maintaining 3 million soldiers at a low middle class standard of living costs twenty percent of our yearly budget how the fuck can we pay for 350 million people? Communism is Judaism. Israel exists off of all of the foreign aid they receive from the West. Why do you think that they keep such a strange hold on Congress through Aipec? Jews are parasites and Jewish governance is based on subjugation and parasitic economics.

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Free rider problem of Economics. If the labour market is employed in common, then there is no incentive to work as there is an expectation other people will pick up the slack of you individually not working.

Hilariously, this same problem explains why Capitalism cannot address environmental or health concerns.

It does work. The entire purpose of it is to ship-wreck a nation and plunder its wealth and it works perfectly well.

(((They))) know exactly what they are doing.

>just indoctrination,

That's the only reason you have a computer?

it's goal is an unrealistic unachievable utopia

an authoritarian fairy tale with no checks an balances

it goes against human nature and offers little to no incentive

it's a lie to gain power

political power corrupts - no exceptions

but what you described is capitalism

>communism
>more political power
>authoritarian

KEK

Because communism is an ideology for failures.

> Another thing was the 0% unemployment combined with the low movement of workers between industries
Sure. Also If an industry isn't governed by supply and demand, if a product has no need to compete with other products on the market, then the actual quality of said product becomes a non-value - which is why all soviet creations and infrastructure were such shit. They were terrorized into reaching arbitrary production goals regardless of the feasibility, cutting corners etc. The sheer number of industrial accidents in industry and transportation in the USSR was ludicrous. The hidden axiom of communism is the following, and one that is hidden from the hapless proles: the success of a communist society is dependent on massive loss of life in order to function. I don't like to quote Louis CuckKing, but "it's amazing what you can achieve by throwing endless human suffering at a problem"

because it doesn't, countries tried communism and failed, so stop asking silly questions.

sorry, I should have called it slavery

>creating a system of laws by which the people in government have absolute economic control
>creating a system of laws in which risk/reward, resource input/resource output to labour is artificially abolished

It doesn't scale very well.

>this
Whatever about a global level, at a local level its destructive and pretty much impossible. Theres no way you would be able to sustain your economy or compete with surrounding capitalistic or even socialist nation states.
You can't acquire important external resources for industry or consumption without access to trade and markets. And even then you would have to have the accumulated wealth to buy them.

COUGH Rojava COUGH
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rojava

It works as well as you can expect giving all the power and money and food to a cabal of bureaucrats to go

If the corporations and CEOs of capitalism are as exploitative and cartoonishly villainous as commies would have you believe, why would you then go on to believe that an even smaller number of people in control of even more wealth and power wouldn't be more corrupt?
Communists will always declare that the "dictatorship of the proletariat" will be "democratic" or whatever but inevitably some figurehead will emerge from the vanguard and he'll end up being the arbiter of who deserves to have what and who deserves to die. Congratulations, you've ushered in a dictator ten times as bad as any plutocracy. At least plutocrats are concerned with being efficient. Communists don't have to be, after all, it's basically just your money they're spending.
And with capitalism if a business fails it fails but there's always competition to fill the void
Under communism, if the government fails, everyone dies, that's it. There's no other entity that can sell you food. You gave it all to the government, they mismanaged it because they weren't concerned with efficiency or competence, and now you die.

It's mass theft under a banner

Except it does.

Hey - me again. Same question:
Have Rojava-eeuns siezed the means of production and abolished the state?

>china is gommies

>communism only works when it abandons its key precepts and adopts a free market economy

>see NEP, Deng Xiaoping

Labor theory of value is bunk.

It can work under very specific circumstances. It is just that the profit-interest system is much better.

here's the basic gestalt youtube.com/watch?v=CcLPyfgXBAk

there's also a Rojava general on leftypol

Because we're not eusocial.

Because people aren't very good.

this is a pro globalism picture you retarded toothpaste nigger

Incompatible with Humans

Communism has never been implemented, and can never be, since it's a farcical idea. Communism is a stateless, classless, moneyless society. Something like that cannot exist.

However, if by communism you mean a society like the soviet union, it did work. Just not as good as market system. The soviet union still managed to build one of the most advanced societies in the history of humanity.

It doesn't reward success. Pic related means that if you do more, the government takes more from you, and if you do less, or nothing at all, the government will provide for you. If doing more and doing less, or even nothing, yielded the same reward, would you do more or do less?

Communism
>property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs.

In capitalism, you are paid what any one of several hundred employers is willing to pay you (if you accept). In communism what are you paid? What a bureaucrat has determined you are worth? What if you think you're worth more? Too bad, if you're not a buddy of the official, you're toast.

Communism seeks to solve a problem the problem of excess value stolen from laborers to owners by making everyone an owner. But you now have a system where no one is rewarded for their efforts. If you improve a scythe by 20%, that extra wealth is distributed (hypothetically) between the entire country, making your raise essentially nothing. In practice that extra wealth is funneled into the hands of the government official who is now controlling the flow of money.
Back in capitalism you had millions of players deciding where the money goes. Now you have a select few. Who is better at deciding where to allocate wealth? A few, or millions? Ironically the ideology meant to improve the bourgeois lot in life takes all of their remaining power away and further concentrates it into the ruling classes.

Seeing as there is no reward for improvement, what is the punishment for failure? None? If you're a bum and don't show up to work will they keep paying you? Where do the resources to keep you fed & clothed come from? Trees? No, they come from the rest of your countrymen's work. If there's no punishment for being lazy, why work? If there's a punishment, then you've allowed the ruling class more control over you through a police force.

What about housing? No one owns anything, so why bother to improve your living conditions? They can be taken by anyone else at any time. You wouldn't start a 400 hour project on your house if your neighbor could just claim it as soon as you finish.

As Kasparov says, communism is a destruction of the human spirit.

>The soviet union still managed to build one of the most advanced societies in the history of humanity
shamelessly quoting my other post >The hidden axiom of communism is the following, and one that is hidden from the hapless proles: the success of a communist society is dependent on massive loss of life in order to function. It's amazing what you can achieve by throwing endless human suffering at a problem

That's the gist of it: if marxists were truly honest and admitted that the utopia could only be created through mass murder, their ideology would be coherent and reach its final form

>The raised fist over the head is a communism sign

Too bad not everyone gets it. Some are too lazy it to raise it over their heads.

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it was never even designed to be a good economic system in the first place. communism is just institutional judaism

Capitalism in Eastern Europe
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because it needs slave labor in order to work.

True communism is a logical fallacy and is not possible. You can't create a society with no currency, no state, and it will never be completely equal.

Communism disincentivizes excellence

Against human nature, we're not ants. It's that simple...for it to work human beings have to change at a genetic level.

Wrong bucko. Humans and men specifically are programmed to be competitive. When you have only finite women and those women can only produce one baby every 9 or so months with the added hurdle of women being the sexual selectors men have no choice but to compete with each other.

Plus cuckoldry is not what you think it is. Cuckoldry (specifically white/black Cuckoldry) is a degredation fetish. The men that participate in this see the black involved as inferior too him on a subconscious level. Same with white guilt, it's litetally liberals pitying races they see as inferior to themselves.

It's always a source of amusement for me how young, middle class Commies see themselves as proles. Here's the hot tip you LARPing fags, I know real working class and poor people and they certainly don't see you as their comrades. They will happily lynch you and take your shit in any peoples revolution.

Orwell's biographical piece homage to catalonia is pretty good at explaining it.

>true revolition
>anarcho communism is achieved
>no ranks, no wealthy people, women men are equal, people super generous to eachother, workers treated respectfully
>everyone is armed, has rights to arms, and activley participate in defence
>stuff actually manages to get done, not real efficientky but things are still suprisingly ordered and managed
>orwell goes to the front to fight faschists with anarcho-commie battalion
>comes back 6 months later
>stalinists took over, regimented and ranked everything, made everyone subservient to the party
>disarmed everyone
>arrest known moderates on sight, shoot most of them
>turns out most of the polite and pleasant to deal with "workers" 6 months prior were really white collar bougies just dressing up as blue collar to lay low and hide thier wealth
>stalinists only care about enforcing communism on the people who cant afford to bribe them to go away
>coincidentally the working class gets shit on harder than anyone else when its time to refistribute wealth.


In effect the authoritarian left will always corrupt the liberal left. The liberal left are useful for subverting power but they cant hold on to it for shit. They ALWAYS end up dominated by an authoritarian system that just uses communism as an excuse to rob those who cant protect themselves.

Its kind of like how moderate muslims are used to establish a foothold in a nation and form a populace for the violent jihadis to hide in when they are imported later.

A soft-commie will always be shoved aside by a totalitarian commie as soon as it looks like theres even half a chance that the "revolution" is going to succeed.

I grew up in rural montana. Poorest county in the 2nd poorest state in america.

Its funny you mention it, all the commies I ever met come from families that make 3 or 4 times what mine does.

They start preachin wealth redistribution and shit I always just go "okay, gimme yours then comerade!"

>w-w-what? No, i-i-m a prole just like you!
>bullshit, I work in a timber mill shoveling sawdust for minimum wage, youre just a trust fund kiddie with a software developer daddy who makes 6 figures s year
>well im not the 1%!
>nope, we'll get them later, for now Im gonna need you to renounce your bourgeoisie privledge and donate to the cause comerade

Its really funny, all these upper-middle class kids with che guevera T-shirts I've met have yet to donate to our glorious revolution......

>mfw the chinese are more capitalist than us

Look up what rule utilitarianism is
Communism essentially is required to operate like that in order to be "true" communism. Since the world will never go along with that kind of philosophy, communism is doomed to degenerate into either one person or a small group ruling over others.

Communism requires the vast majority of the population to support it for it to work, as even a moderate amount of armed people opposing it cause it to become unfeasible.

But Communism can't get that much support from 1st world nations, because in 1st world nations the poor are a minority, and the rest of the well off population doesn't see the advantage in having their wealth and property redistributed for the sake of some violent disgruntled revolutionaries.