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Its government was weak and it basically cucked itself for its stronger, more totalitarian neighbors who routinely put it under their influence

If you want a good Eastern European nation, it would unironically be Muscovite Tsardom.

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I honestly think they were pretty cool. But yeah, the government they had wasn't really centralized enough.

Keep in mind though, without them much of Germany would of fallen to the Ottomans.

Do you really think the loss of Austria and parts of southern Germany to Turks would really be a substantial blow to Western Europe, user?

The main reason the world is liberalized is because these two nations, especially Austria, created the world wars.

Imo, central Europe should've been cucked.

Can someone with strong knowledge of historical politics please tell me why pic related wasn't ever discussed to prevent WW2?

Poland had strong claims on Lithuania and needed a port. Germany had strong claims on Danzig and needed continuous borders with Prussia.

Why not just give Lithuania to Poland and Danzig to Germany?

Wien was the capital of the Holy Roman Empire. And if it weren't for the Poles, that city would of fallen. While yes, the Holy Roman Empire was mostly symbolic at this point of time, if the capital of that fell it could spell disastrous effects for Christendom. Much of Germany and Northern Italy could of fallen to Islam.

>more totalitarian neighbors
Implying that's a good thing. They were fucking savages
>PLC - peaceful coexistence and stability with Germans (other than Jewtonic Order in the North), Slavs, Jews for a few hundred years, only disturbed by frequent external invasions, beyond our control
>a fucking Prussia and Russia rise from our ashes and start wars and mass slaughter of everyone, finally getting what they deserve

>good Eastern European nation, it would unironically be Muscovite Tsardom
Wasteland shithole back then, still a shithole today larping as a country. Literally the only thing that it has going for it are resources.

Austria was basically the cultural center of Europe at the time period.

I assume you don't like the proposed idea of the Polish-Lithuanian-Muscovite Commonwealth that was being discussed at the time?

Yes, and if Germany and Italy fell to Islam, that's more reason for Westerners to hate it in the current century today.

Faster progression of a disease makes people worry more.

Seriously, they stopped the Muslim invasion of Europe on September 11th 1683, date sound familiar? Because it was the height of the Muslims in the world, and they were the ones who threw them back. 3,000 kinights with fucking wings charged downhill out of a mountain forest into 150k-300k Turks who had surrounded the holy roman empire and had been holding them under siege for over 2 months. There was no other left in Europe to save Christiandom.

After the 3000 broke the 300k on the first day, the holy roman knights rode out with them. There, led by the Polish king IN PERSON leading the vaguard of 3000 Hussars - they launched the largest armored calvary charge in history. 25,000 heavy knights rode down the remaining 140k Turks, killing between 10-15k of them and driving them from the field.

Watch this: youtube.com/watch?v=75zmIj_4LFQ

If Germany and Italy fell to Islam then the concept of Western would be much different than it is now.

Memel was annexed in 1939 by Germany leaving only a sliver left. Poland and Lithuania were at odds with each other over Wilno and territorial borders and Germany needed Russia's help (which required the Baltic States).

With a Vasa taking the throne? Sigismund didn't want his son to convert and they tried and failed integrating Ruthenia due to his early death.

user CONTD
They are the reason there is christianity still in the world... the pope named their king defender of christianity after that.

Oh, Siege of Vienna btw, name of battle.

The constellation Scutum is named after the polish king. Scutum Sobienski, Sobienski was his name and Scutum is latin for Shield, because he was all that held back the tide in a suicidal attack, somehow defeating them.

The turks were marking under the literal LITERAL banner of mohammed. It was still around and they had it. Their defeat was so total that when they got back the Sultan ordered all the officers executed for cowardice.

They are the reason for Europe... dont fuck with the Hussars from there. Anytime you see a winged christian knight, that's them, saving Christianity in Vienna on September 11th.

Your past enemies weren't savages, if they were, they wouldn't have been able to subdue your country by manipulation and/or usual conquering.

And is that bad, user?

It's a fun idea to think about nowadays if it could of worked out.

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>And is that bad, user?
If you want to consider Turk-Roaches western then yes.

>Memel was annexed in 1939 by Germany leaving only a sliver left. Poland and Lithuania were at odds with each other over Wilno and territorial borders and Germany needed Russia's help (which required the Baltic States).
But let's say you're Hitler. Offer Poland an alliance along with shipping rights in Danzig and Memel, offer them the remaining coastline of Lithuania, and just tell them to go ahead and annex Lithuania and you'll defend them if anyone starts shit.

Then the two of you can put up a strong front against USSR so Stalin doesn't try anything.

W should've annexed Muscovites, obviously. It was either us or them. It's not how it's supposed to be, sadly, it happened with all it's future consequences.

The PLC fell due to internal weakness. The Russians could not of fought a non civil war weary Commonwealth. They would of gotten BTFO'd.

But yeah, the retarded government they had threw them off.

Cool.

Now get back to cleaning my toilet you pollack

Their Christian knights kicked Islamic worlds ass so hard on September 11th 1683 in Vienna that they never recovered - and that date was picked for a 2001 terrorist attack, they remembered.

But user, alot of Turks are decent human beings, especially ones living in Istanbul.

In fact, many of them are not brown or Islamic as they are usually depicted. Of course, Sup Forums likes to depict them as savages because they were in fact Islamic niggers at one point.

But they have humbled themselves through the years due to having cultural ties to both Western and Eastern worlds.

Sup, Clet

Yeah, there are a lot of funs path with Poland that I've spent way too much time on. The Poland-Russia one is great but it would have created a lot of unrest in Russia since serfdom and their strict rules would have been rolled back. They would have essentially become what the EU could be in a few hundred years with a detached Catholicism religion and a Sarmatism culture binding them together.

It would have been interesting and he could have lumped Slovakia under Poland as well. The Poles had too much fear of becoming a German puppet and losing Poznan as well since Hitler had said "just one more mile" plenty of times while conducting his prior conquests. An interesting book about this is Pact Ribbentrop - Beck where this happens but it turns into a glorious Polish wank at the end(which isn't all that bad).

They were fighting for Islam. If Islam was allowed to spread, there would of been no stopping it.

>alot of Turks are decent human beings
Back in the day maybe, the elites at least, these days they're mostly inbred niggers

If Islam was allowed to spread, more people would be conservative. The fact that it hasn't, has made people oblivious and stupid to the problem-- As observed of countries in Europe who are not directly threatened by Islamic hegemony.

Like Sweden or Germany for example. For them they realized too late.

You would probably be Muslim though, would you accept that?

The more east you go, yes, you will encounter inbred niggers. But not all of them are, I would say roughly 45% of them aren't inbred niggers.

Yeah Islam is really great:
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Proably? No, I wouldn't be Muslim. Because my ancestors do not come from Southern Europe. They would be Northern Europeans scared to death of it and would be increasingly more conservative.

But this is alternative history, we don't know exactly for sure what would've happened to Europe if Islam was pushed into Germany or Italy, as you say.

I'm not advocating for Islam, retard. I meant Europeans who weren't Islamic, would've become increasingly more conservative in defense toward Islam, if it were allowed to spread near them.

no

Though they do seem to be less problematic in Germany, still, than the muslims in France or UK for example.

Your country's always been cucked, hasn't it?

no it hasn't