We just found our original document of 1918 act of independance. It was found in Germany.
So here is the basic gestalt:
>Lithuania for ~100 years only had and relied on a copy of its own act of indepence as a documentational proof. >Lithuania couple of weeks ago or so announced they will give any one 1mil euros as a reward for who will find and bring back its original copy of 1918 act of independance to Lithuania >Our national TV just announced they found the original in some german archives
So here are my thoughts - the whole thing sounds fucking shady. Sup Forums thought me that there are no coincidences of that scale in politics and i tend to agree with it. For a houndred years we searched for the document with 0 luck. Suddently we announce a reward and BAM here comes the document. The document appearntly was found in some low imporatnce geman ar4chive burried beneath other papers. The original document was founf in original (lithuanian) language and a rewritten copy with german language. These 2 docs were found next to each other.
I myself think this is farse- not that the document is fake, but the idea that we just suddently found it. Im 99% sure germans knew about it for years and they did not give it back to us. Now the question is why would germany suddently just give up on the docoment? Does germany want to have warm feeling with us or something? DOes germany actually care about us? probably not. So whats the deal here? Did lithuanian goverment obtained some hidden political leverage on germany and this is the result of that situation?
So what about the Vytautas' crown? Have you found it too?
If you don't find it, Poland will never give up on its claims to Wilno.
Elijah Wright
With the UK out of the EU they'll desperately try to reel in the Balts and try to slow V4& Turkey from rising too quickly.
Nathan Campbell
They will probably pull some shit off to make the act of independance something similar to the romanian constitution. Meaning making majority lithuanian law being unimportant compared with the eu law.
Jace Gonzalez
>Germany caring about us Did we learn nothing
Leo Long
When there is such a big reward, anything is possible. And Germanistan can go fuck itself.
James Fisher
We did not, its worth would be much more than a milion euros.
James Flores
Bump
Justin Nguyen
Btw, why would it be so important? Poland never had anything like a formal declaration of independence. It was just a process and it was the same in Lithuania, it's not that some old guys from Taryba wrote a document and pooff - the Republic of Lithuania appeared. You didn't even control most of your territory.
Adam Wilson
The truth is that the crown has never existed and Lithuania was just a duchy annexed by Poland in 1385.
Brandon Wilson
explain
Million euros is worth nothing to germany, i disagree with you.
But the Polish king was the Lithuanian duke, that means you got annexed by Lithuania
Bentley King
The Romanian constitution is submisive to the EU constitution. Meaning that Romanian politicians need to follow the rules of the EU not Romania.
Connor Russell
You already have way more land at your disposal than Lithuania. Wanting to take Vilnus from them is literally russoshit-tier thinking.
Nathaniel White
A mil still helps importing more rapists an terrorists.
Elijah Turner
Huh thats interesting. Do you think this is just a german plot to gain even more influense in Lithuania?
but we cant force shitskins to stay here. we could accept a million rapist and 99,99% would still leave us.
Parker Gray
Germany is grasping at straws to pay debts
Michael Kelly
Maybe cant say for sure. All i can say is that with brexit hapening germans will try to play dirty.
Carter Davis
It was the Jews.
Isaac Thompson
A german way of saying "hey guys we are friends right? pls fight my wars for me".
Nolan Martin
All I know is if it this so called "Act of Independence" doesn't have something along the lines of...
>A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
...then I got news for ya, bub. That ain't no "act of independence" at all.
Jack Johnson
But you are not idependent either.
Jordan Scott
Sure we are, we declare it so every July fourth.
Julian Hill
Lithuania and Latvia are based as fuck, but I'm not sure If I could stand living so close to Estonia. Are they still worth visiting?
Jayden Thompson
Its a specific FUCK YOU to moscow and berlin in written from. Basically it says fuck moscow, fuck berlin, fuck off from lithuania, we independant now from your occupation.
Aiden Lopez
Well, uh, maybe before there was no 1mil euro reward for finding it?
Brayden Gray
we searched for it for 100 years, and no not some german found it. It was found by a lithuanian professor/historian in germany.
Caleb Brooks
Israel disagrees.
Austin Jackson
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Gabriel Davis
>some mumbling in an incomprehensible village dialect
That's a great proof indeed.
Nope, he just got promoted, when he accepted the Polish crown instead of the Lithuanian diadem.
And the Union of Krewo act confirms, that Lithuania was annexed by Poland.
>Demum etiam Jagalo dux saepedictus promittit terras suas Litvaniae et Rusiae coronae regni Poloniae perpetuo applicare.
We don't want Wilno, because we need clay. We need it, because it's Polish. It has always been Polish.
We won't mind Lithuania annexing Kaliningrad, though.
Xavier Cooper
Lithuania was not anexed it was a political union. When the lithuanian duke died jogaila became both king and duke of the comonwealth.
Charles Wilson
King of polish writting in lithuanian. Poland again BTFO
Hunter Barnes
If true this is very special and the Germans should give it to you without the cash reward that has been offered.
Also it's funny, Germany had a robbery not long ago, a 4.3 million dollar gold Canadian coin was stolen in Berlin because someone left the window open..
Germany why are you such a thief?
Charles Bennett
What everyone thinks she looks like pic related, what she really looks like.
Aiden Russell
How the fuck are you a real country? You've been relying on a fucking copy of the document which founds your entire state and gives it any authority this whole time??
wut.
Juan Robinson
Lithuanian professor found it in germany so he would get the reward, but only if germany will give back. Interesting to see what will happen next, will germans act "european" towards its allies or not
Owen Morgan
Lithuania, I love your country, you deserve all the best
Robert Miller
Lmao, aussie intelectual. You do know eastern europe was occupied again not long time after for 40 years right?
Jeremiah Roberts
>Lithuania was not anexed it was a political union.
How was it a union, if it's explicitly stated, that Lithuania (and Ruthenia) will be "applied" to Poland, therefore, they will lose its status and become merely provinces of Poland.
>both king and duke of the comonwealth.
Nope. Anyway, the term "Commonwealth" is misleading, because it implies that the political system of Poland was similar to the British one. "Rzeczpospolita" in Polish means just "Res Publica", so a republic. It does not imply, that there were two independent states but connected by the union. The "union" was just an act of annexation from the legal point of view, no matter how you call it.
Sure, "Commonwealth" is a literal translation of the Latin term "Res Publica", but since Brits use it to describe their political system, it shouldn't be applied to completely different countries and systems.
Formally, Poland was also in a union with Russia after 1815, it was explicitly stated in the constitution, but for some reason, no one calls the Russian Empire "The commonwealth of Russia and Poland" or anything like that.
This king of Poland was half-Swedish half-Austrian and he didn't even know Lithuanian, probably some Lithuanian noble translated it for him so Lithuanian peasants could understand it. So what? British official documents were also translated to Hindi or Urdu or other languages to ensure that locals would understand it.
Lincoln Reyes
I do not give a fuck. I'm old enough to remember when she did and to have forgotten how many times I masturbate thinking about doing horrible things to her sexually.
Noah Brown
Most likely no one knew that it was stored there exempt for one or two person working in the archive and they thought it was supposed to be there and or didn't knew Lithuania was looking for it or. And only after the announcement for a reward they found out about it and the people working there informed the higher ups who then informed your government.
Jaxson Jackson
1,000€ are 1,000€ buddy. I would have found you 2 acts for that money.
Jordan Jenkins
It's your nations document, if you didn't sign it over to them to look after then they have no right to hold onto it.
>inb4 Kor I Nor diamond and Elgin Marbles Those were gifted and sold to us, not stolen.
Joseph Edwards
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Bentley Nguyen
Lithuania is a poor and fascist shithole.
Daniel Fisher
What about the king?
Dylan Anderson
Saying "probably this or that" to disprove me is not a valid argument, lenke.
Leo Price
What about it?
True, we will see what happens next.
Mason Baker
They may have known they had it but not the significance of it. Didn't some guy literally tried to use 1st edition of Mažvydas catechism to learn Lithuanian, or was that all a meme?
Nicholas Nelson
Kings never wrote official documents on their own, you know. They had scriveners to do so. The king didn't write documents in Polish or Latin either, żmudzinie.
Kayden Cox
You wouldn't even have your own language, if Poles hadn't created one for you.
Benjamin Price
Im a german archivist and you wouldn't believe what kind of shit some archives have laying around without even realizing how important it is A lot of archives are still mostly staffed with a bunch of incompetent idiots
Daniel Brooks
>hey....Germany...hey......ger-ger-GERMANY-!!! Germany!!! G-ermany? Hey I wan-
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Kek, o you fuckers seriously believe we care about you? I'm 100% sure Germans heard you wanted the original copy , but the archivarious couldn't be moved from his desk unless you paid a 1milllion eur. You don't even exist in Germans minds , baltcucks. You are a mere abstraction which only , become somewhat real only in the context of pissing of Russia. Russkis care more about you , believe it or not.
Asher Gray
Someones sister got some serious dicking in Wilno it seems :^)
Colton Collins
How is Lithuania polish clay? Suwalki is Lithuanian clay you slav retard
Nathan Nelson
Did poles just put lithuanian name on coins just out of respect then?
Luis Sullivan
Polish women look down upon Lithuanian chams.
Cameron Taylor
>Wilno >not Vilnius Find the cuck :^)
Jeremiah Morgan
>How is Lithuania polish clay?
Because it was annexed by Poland and Lithuanians agreed to it.
>Latin >Lithuanian
literally kalakutas-tier
Asher Murphy
You could've just said no you know. Guess I hit the nail on the head then. There there. I'm sure she will get absolved after your priests sodomize her.
Tyler White
>Suwalki is Lithuanian clay you slav retard
Try to find a Lithuanian there.
Christopher Jones
We were all annexed by Germans and Russians, does it make us all rightful clay of them? Oh wait, poles were also anexed by mongos you mongrel
Jaxson Martin
Why do you people moan about Poland all the time?You've no chance against us in any kind of rivalry.Why bother when we don't even notice you?
Henry Torres
You're just little fascist scum.
Mes be Wilniaus nenurimsim, chame.
Connor Long
I haven't heard anything about this story though which is kinda unusual And I can't seem to find any German news about That's kinda weird
Christian Peterson
Does not matter, it's Lithuanian clay
Landon James
Well yeah. We used to have a border with germany, now germany is some 700 km away. No shit you don't care about us no more. Thanks for Memel by the way. Beautiful city.
Lincoln Wilson
Excuse my gramatic errors, what i meant to say is that "did poland put lithuanias name on coins out of respect then?" Obvisouly im referring to the word "lithu"
Joseph Murphy
Lithuanians never agreed to be annexed by Germany or Russia, while they willingly signed the act of annexation in 1385 and confirmed it in 1569.
Nicholas Thompson
We don't! We love you guys. Keep the VAT low so that we can do groceries while shipping old Kraut cars back home, ok?
Parker Taylor
So? Our kings had titles like "The king of Poland and Grand Duke of Lithuania", just like Russian tsars had:
>By the Grace of God, We Nicholas, Emperor and Autocrat of All the Russias, of Moscow, Kiev, Vladimir, Novgorod; Tsar of Kazan, Tsar of Astrakhan, Tsar of Poland [...]
Did it make Poland an equal partner to Russia before 1914?
Jackson Green
Okay, do your shopping mate
Alexander Ramirez
>W terrible.
Landon Ross
I'd say it were poles who signed the act of annexation, slavshit
Jaxson Campbell
I don't think Suwałki wants to be as ruined as Mariampol is.
Dylan Sullivan
Look I'm Shia's father and I hate you faggots. My son came out as gay and I told him I didn't want him living under my roof anymore. He moved in with his Jaiden and he's dead to me. But I have no shame in saying that I visit Sup Forums escorts and have blown my load many times in their tight asses. I even have a couple of beautiful Alt -lighters who do dom work and they throatfuck me, let me rim their holes and come all over my face. This has nothing to do with being divided. They are women with penises. The penis itself is not male, it's attached to a woman.
A FLAG IS A PIECE OF TROPHY ! A piece of my flag does not affect my sexuality. Do you let someone call you a pervert if your penis touches a pork chop? No. It wouldn't mean you were a porcinesexual.
A penis is flesh. A beautiful lady having a different shape of flesh will not change my sexuality. No matter how many of them I let inside me or how many I beg for their seed. I don't need to be called gay by narrow minded busybodies. How come this concern for policing sexuality only happens to straight men.
For sake of fuck, DO YOU REALLY THINK JAIDEN SMITH WAS IN HOUSES IN LONDON HAVING SEX WITH LADYBOYS he could afford it but no he was a gay he liked men he would never be with a transgoddess because he realised they were women. Maybe if he would have avoided all gay activity and stayed with traps he would still be with us today, the dirty faggot God rest his soul. I will not be divided , my son is your god , long live the LeBoufs
Leo Hughes
How did we do it, if Jagiełło was Lithuanian and he signed it? And in 1569 Lithuanian most of nobles signed it as well. Only a small minority of them didn't accept it, but democracy prevailed.
Cameron Butler
I'm just responding to the "The commonwealth was an annexation of Lithuania into the Polish Kingdom" guy. You know it would be easier if some pollacks told him he is a retard, not just us Africa people.
Nathaniel Scott
Poland enters thread and starts spewing garbage about lithuania and then proclaims it does not notice lithuania.
Justin Diaz
My ex was from Lithuania
She was hot but then she got fat and started dating a black woman
Cooper Taylor
It's poles who ruin things. Believe it or not, most of poles in Lithuania is gypsy tier underclass who speak in russian-polish mash-up. Not all of them, but most
Andrew Reed
>"The commonwealth was an annexation of Lithuania into the Polish Kingdom"
Because it's truth, and I have already proven it. I brought links, the original text of the union of Krewo and a lot of other proofs.
Only butthurt Samogitians don't want to accept it.
Oliver Hughes
You were too soft with her. We are a simple people. Get a whip and a chair next time.
Jacob Perry
kek, nice way to spend 1 lemon.
Elijah Smith
I see you on Sup Forums but you guys are spergs in real life for some reason.
Why are you so hurt if it isn't true?
Gavin Bailey
Lithuanians are so pathetic, that they arrest people for using specific letters. It's worse than Hitler.
Lucas Campbell
it was a businessman who offered it as a reward to person who finds the act. so why not, braluk
Christopher Turner
Thanks for the (You) even though I was not responding to you. Keep trying.
Robert Mitchell
So is there any important difference between the new and old document? I dont see the big deal if there isnt
Jeremiah Thompson
>claims poland annexed lithuania in 13xx >poland in 1706, 400 years later still mint coind with lithuanias name and coat of arms on it.
Lmao, do you realize how retarded you sound?
Eli Bennett
It's because Lithuanians don't let them use their native language and do everything to get rid of them from Lithuania.
But Poles will never leave their rightful clay.
Robert Murphy
You have been visited by a Zmogus Lenkas. Say "KUUUURRRRRWWAAA!!!1111" and a Commonwealth will be given to you.
Doesn't Poland have higher development than Lithuania
Levi Myers
I dont give a fuck about your paranoid delusions but congratulations for lithuania!
Tyler Rodriguez
>mfw pure bred white German
>Mf when visiting lithuania >Everyone is anhead taller than you >Even the girls, Especially the girls >Everyone aesthetic as fuck >I'm like a fucking ghost This is what feeling like a untermenssch is like >Mfw when polsperg still believe in the arayan meme
Aiden Brooks
That sounds like one hell of a story.
Bentley Nelson
are you an idiot? Annexation of Lithuania as a state didn't mean that the name of Lithuania was forgotten. It was just a province.
Isaac Russell
Poland has everything better than Lithuania, which is really a poor shithole with prices higher than in Sweden. They pay 4 euros for a fucking cauliflower.
Carter Richardson
Because we are small and inconsequential and no one knows shit about us. There was a guy who wrote a book in the 90's where he claimed that people are starving in Lithuania and eating dead horses on the streets and shit like that. I am fighting disinfo on an open forum, feelings don't come into play here.