Only a united EU can stand up to the US and China on the world stage

Only a united EU can stand up to the US and China on the world stage.

Only they can stop the madness of the US Middle Eastern policy which has NO real effect on them but a huge one on the EU. Do you think if US goes to war with Iran they will have to deal with the humanitarian fallout?

Only a united EU can get fair and equitable trade deal for Europeans. China is rising and so is India. Once they are established, a divided Europe will be their playground. They will buy up infrastructure and national real-estate because nobody will hold them to account. The EU can and will

Only a united EU can stop Russia from growing strong enough to ravage Europe. Make no mistake, Russians believe that all former Soviet States should be returned to them.

The EU isn't perfect, and needs lots of improvements. Sure right now, the EU is stagnating. But dismantling it is a very bad idea for Europe.

Leaf cuck.

America and Europe are friends. Fuck off.

There are no friends in politics, only interests.

US does what is best for US, they don't care about how it effects Europe

What happened to old europe where Single European countries would have just dominated China out of existence?

>Only a united EU can stand up to the US and China on the world stage.
fuck off globalist shill

My point being was, we don't need the EU to "stand up" to America. America is not a threat to European countries.

The world changed. If you don't like the new world, you shouldn't have destroyed yourselves in two world wars

Oh and China was never dominated completely even at its lowest point. The West + Japan could only create zones of free trade, flood them with drugs and make them sign completely one sided trade deals. China is simply too huge to conquer and hold and would be a disaster to try. You want to make money from China, not run it

Dismantle it and rebuild it on its ruins as a federation. The union as a centralised state is doomed to fail.

America is indeed a threat. It runs off a war economy which needs new meat to throw in the grinder. Very soon it will turn its gaze on Iran, spreading instability even further. Turkey will soon tire of being a border guard for Europe and turn on the tap. You now have tens of millions of people flooding into Europe nobody can keep any eye on. The US doesn't give a single crap if this were to happen. They don't consider the impact to Europe on what they do. Of course, you are thinking much more like a Brit than a Continental. Britain is an island, and can safely shut itself away. You on the other hand, cannot

Another scenario to consider, Russia turns off its gas pipelines to spite US for what it is doing. Who suffers from that, US? Who will be in big trouble if the Hormuz Strait is closed? Who has to deal with North African instability? The US is free from solving any of these issues and there are many more like this

united europe? yeah sure
united EU in this form? not so much

EU invited the muzzies. That's not the fault of the US.

Why does a country need to have the highest GDP in the world? Can people not live peacefully in a country if another country has more net wealth? Are Japan and Canada hellscapes?

Can we even call it 'European' Union anymore?

I'm all for an economically partnership like it was at the start, partnership in trades and economics agreements.
But now they hijacked national currency(central Bank, euro) national laws(the highest court is now the European one, the European laws are above national ones), national border control and soon they'll hijack our national armies.
That's fucked up.

>Why does a country need to have the highest GDP in the world?

It doesn't, but those with a lower GDP can be influenced negatively by those with a higher one.

>Can people not live peacefully in a country if another country has more net wealth?

Sometimes they can. But your net wealth can be negatively impacted if another country gains more and wants to move in on something you use to maintain yourself

>Are Japan and Canada hellscapes?

These are unique geopolitical landscapes. Canada is safe because the US needs it to be. The US and Canada depend on each other which is why Canada is better off than it normally would be. If there were no US, Canada would be Russia's playground and would likely be worse off for it. Japan has been salvaged these past decades by being a glorified colony and Cold War outpost of the US. That is changing because the US can no longer contain China. Japan now has to fend for itself. Things will get worse for them very soon

I agree europe needs some sort of unified economic organization to be competitive.
The problem is that the EU is undemocratic as fuck and basically a NWO tier ploy to control the daily lives of all Europeans by force.
Plus EU likes to suck ahmed dick

>US will soon declare war on Iran
Normies actually believe this meme
Despite the fact they have been saying it for at least 30 years

The EU has to deal with it even if they weren't invited. The brunt of the flow is being stopped by Turkey. Even if they all went to Turkey, you would have to pay for their care or else Turkey would release them. Boats have been going from the Med to Europe even before Merkel invited anyone to come. The existence of migrants will always be there and will always impact Europe as long as US continues its foreign policy

>America is indeed a threat.
No it's not. Trump might be a threat to the EU, however that's nowhere near the same thing.

>It runs off a war economy
War economy is what's bankrupting America not what's driving it, War is generally (read: always) not profitable. As for millions of people "flooding into Europe". Example: They spent 6 trillion in Iraq and maybe gotten a couple hundred billion from it.

>You now have tens of millions of people flooding into Europe nobody
Oh yeah, refugees are just "flooding into Europe", you know it's just a natural occurrence like rain or snow. Oh look refugees are flooding.

Yeah, no. The EU government is importing these people to retain and increase political power. They can turn them back, any time they want. How did you think Merkel got re-elected? Hint: A lot of "german citizens" who voted for her, got their citizenship very recently.

>You now have tens of millions of people flooding into Europe nobody can keep any eye on. The US doesn't give a single crap.
Well, why should they? It's not their job to keep other countries sovereign. What's more concerning is that the EU doesn't give a crap.

>Britain is an island, and can safely shut itself away
They don't seem to be very good at it. Just sayin', also sooner or later airplane rides will be so cheap, even people in Syria will be able to afford them.

>Another scenario to consider, Russia turns off its gas pipelines to spite US for what it is doing.
Okay, but what does that have to do with the EU? How can the EU going to prevent this? It seems to me, that if they want to turn off the pipelines, the EU can't do much to stop them.

shut up, adults are having a conversation. And fyi it is your fault (more accurately Clinton and Obama's) for creating the refugee mess.

or the EU could just not take in refugees

Fuck off

Trump is just another manifestation of US exceptionalism. And he won't differ radically from any other President, US is a ship that drives itself

War economy makes the right people rich. It is obviously harmful for America as a whole, but America's political elite who prosper could not care less.

Maybe you are right about Merkel, but all signatories to the 1951 Refugee Accord must house refugees if they arrive. You cannot disprove they are not refugees since America is giving more and more places the status of "war-torn" If Germany doesn't have them, Italy will, or Greece etc

EU has to act under certain human rights guidelines. As long as there is a refugee crisis they will have to handle it. They cannot turn them away, no country does this and more and more countries are getting flooded with refugees against their will and unlike Europe, cannot pay for them

Since you need an airplane to get to UK, it will severely limit the chances they will get to UK before any other country. Thus the UK is free from dealing with refugees

The EU can deal with Russia on an equal footing. With the EU, Russia is now as dependent on you as you are on them. If they turn off the pipes, you can sanction them harshly. Things are more equal than with a divided Europe which can only speak on an individual level, and on an individual level some are more equipped to deal with this problem than others

Wtf? Canada has less gdp than brazil? Brazil is practically in a civil war. Wtf are you doing canacucks

Leafs, you do realize the moment the EU becomes a united effective political power is the same day you become Burgers, whether you like it or not.

It wouldn't have an effect on the EU if they would just control their borders