Can I get the quick rundown on that internet privacy bill?

Can I get the quick rundown on that internet privacy bill?
I felt pretty disappointed in Congress, but then I realized that the Trump presidency is under a multi-billion dollar smear campaign, and some of the information out there may not be true.

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There will be shills on these threads claiming ideological support for trump, right-wing causes, and "economic freedom" whatever that is. Do not listen to them!

They are agents, probably of Comcast if I had to guess, shilling an agenda. Internet privacy is an essential right, if not THE essential right, because the internet is the main way you as a modern human establish your relationship with the wider world. Actions taken with the internet set a precedent for every aspect of public (and non-local private) life.

You CAN NOT let this be taken away. You can not let them take your information-- this is not about credit card numbers, bank balances, education transcripts. That's of no consequence, useful, but ultimately just a token in bureaucracy. Your knowledge, behavior, beliefs and habits are your soul. Real information is your soul. When a non-human entity knows you well enough to control you, when they have your essential information, they have your soul.

Literally nothing. The ISPs have always owned your data and done what they want with it. They passed a law last year to end that and it still hasn't gone into effect yet. So basically they are walking back a law that hasn't been enforced yet. Read your TOS with your provider.

That was a real fast reply. Thx user.
However, it was a bit too fast for that much text.
I don't want to claim "shill", but how did you prepare that post so fast?

As for a rundown, here goes.

What happened:
Basically, this legislation gives ISPs the right to collect a list of sites you visit and sell it to third parties. Whether there's any restriction to them selling personally identifiable information is kind of ambiguous, but you KNOW they'll keep that shit internally.

Why it matters:
Google, Facebook etc... have had the right to collect and sell this information for years. While that's scary enough, and it just speaks to the ignorance of the average person that they're still using these services, it was always easy enough to avoid-- just use DuckDuckGo for search, don't "like" things if you even have to use Facebook, and use an ad-blocker.

With this action, there's nothing you can do to protect yourself short of running on a VPN that hobbles your entire internet connection. I mean, you knew PornHub was collecting your info, but even private "hobbyist" free porn sites are going to be subject to their scrutiny.

Thx user. Have a rare.

Copy pasta

I'm Copypasta'ing it to every thread I see come up about this today (they tend to get slid off the catalog fairly quickly once the wrong side starts winning the argument).

I assure you I fully believe what I wrote there so even if it's annoying it's not what I'd call a "shill post"

My apologies for the kind of low-class tactic but I think it's important enough to warrant it.

Doesn't Google already track the sites I visit?

literally nothing different is happening

Yes

>The ISPs have always owned your data and done what they want with it.
Then why is it only now that we're hearing anything about them possibly selling this information to advertisers?

Alright then, you get one too.

have a bump

Yes, but you can choose not to use Google.

For most people, their choice in ISPs are much more constrained.

Political agenda in misrepresenting a shitty but not at all disastrous repeal of a decent law

>Your knowledge, behavior, beliefs and habits are your soul. Real information is your soul.

US under constant Surveilance for years now.
what else is new

>fairly quickly once the wrong side starts winning the argument).
which side is the wrong one user?

I've browsed nothing but Sup Forums, specifically Sup Forums and Sup Forums for about a decade.

What does that lead them to think about me? What are they gonna try to sell me?

Your ISP is now allowed to make a list of, for instance, all Sup Forums posters and their exact address, and sell that list.

Nice digits.
Anyway, if this is really a big politi-stink nothingburger, then how non-impactful is this bill, really? Can you cite evidence from the bill?
I'm not doubting anyone here, I just have questions.

They aren't going to sell you anything, they will sell potential insurers, employers, etc. your information. That guy applying for a health insurance is visiting websites with information on diabetes and STDs, or that guy you're considering to hire is an active poster on extreme right websites. That kind of thing.

because its an effective weapon to mobilize useful idiots who don't actually know the law.

Before 2015, ISPs were doing this anyway. They were overseen by the FTC.
In 2015, they were reclassified by Obama as "Common Carriers". This means they were given restrictions on sharing data without the person's permission. This was to go into effect on 1/1/2018.

Trump rolled some of that law back, now they don't need your permission, but the law never went into effect, so it's a non-issue.

Also, FYI, the TOS you agreed to when you signed up gives them this permission to share your data, so it's moot fucking point anyway.

Read your terms of service: my.xfinity.com/terms/web/

>By sending a communication or submitting feedback to Comcast, you grant Comcast, its affiliates, and their licensees a worldwide, perpetual, irrevocable, royalty-free, non-exclusive right and license to make, use, sell, offer for sale, import, export, have made, reproduce, publicly display, publicly perform, modify, sublicense, and distribute the content and inventions embodied therein, in any way and for any purpose. All of these uses shall be without liability or obligation of any kind to you. These uses may include, for example, use of the content of any of these communications, including any works, marks or names, ideas, inventions, concepts, techniques or know-how disclosed therein, for any purpose without any obligation to compensate the originator of the communications and without liability to that person.

Basically, you agree to let them use ANYTHING you transmit over their networks, and they don't have to give you shit for it.

This has been in their TOS for over a DECADE.

Questions for this side of the argument. Can you cite evidence, either with real-world situations and/or text from the bill, that backs your claims up?
Is this bill really this shitty? And if this is a repeal of a pre-existing law/order, was the internet rampant with data theft before it was passed?

You're a fucking retard.
You already gave permission to your ISP to sell your data, so the law does NOTHING.

Read your fucking TOS:
AT&T:
att.com/legal/terms.wirelessCustomerAgreement.html
Section 3.6

I posted the comcast TOS earlier.
You're all retards.

>was the internet rampant with data theft before it was passed?
>theft

What provider do you have?
I'll show you where in the TOS you already agreed to let them have and sell your information.

In my country this would never even be considered to be remotely legal. Obama gave American consumers a legal protection, Trump took it away. Nothing more, nothing less.

Wew.
One must remember DARPA invented Al Gores internets primarily for redundant and verifiable connections amongst priests and politicians in all corners of earth during war time. Now that we are in a perpetual war against many things, including transitive verbs, you can say it has all come to fruition. Using it was always optional.

Dude you're retarded and have no reading comprehension. By the standards of the argument you've made, if a Pixar animator sent a model file over Comcast's networks, they'd be entitled to a cut of the movie's profits.

Reread carefully:
>*By sending a communication or submitting feedback to Comcast*
This applies to communications WITH Comcast itself. Maybe lawyers might be able to expand on some of the ambiguous terms (is anything sent over Comcast's networks communication WITH Comcast?) but it's obviously not the intent of that paragraph and I really doubt they could make it stick.

Ideologues really suck at debate.

>Basically, you agree to let them use ANYTHING you transmit over their networks, and they don't have to give you shit for it.
Absolutely, ridiculously false.

>Obama gave American consumers a legal protection

which they signed away immediately by putting their name to a Terms of Service.

Your country would allow this too, it's a contract between two consenting parties.

You can always refuse it, but they don't have to sell you their service either.

You're an idiot.

Max Temkin is based as fuck saying that if Congress passes the right for Internet providers to buy and sell browser data then he will personally buy the web history of every member of Congress and every congressional aid and publish them publicly

You are the idiot here in afraid. In my country, law takes precedence over contracts. Such a clause would be illegal and void.

>Questions for this side of the argument. Can you cite evidence, either with real-world situations and/or text from the bill, that backs your claims up?
Don't have to. The danger should be self-evident-- It's like leaving meat in a dog pen. Information is inherently valuable, and giving corporations even the theoretical right to use it means that they definitely will.

Corporations have a legal obligation to maximize returns to their shareholders in every circumstance. If anyone wants you to believe that they're going to give corporations rights but "they'll never use them" is deluded or a shill. If they end up not using those rights, it's only because there was no profit in it.

But we have absolutely nothing to gain (and much to lose) by opening this door.

my.xfinity.com/privacy

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>Comcast, or third parties acting on Comcast's behalf, routinely logs Non-PII that is automatically generated when all users visit or use the Comcast Web Services (including both the Comcast Sites and Comcast Apps), as a by-product of the user's activities ("Web Log Data"). This information includes, but is not limited to, Internet protocol ("IP") and HTTP header information that is automatically passed between a user's device and the Comcast Web Services, such as the device's IP address, the browser being used at the time, the operating system being used at the time, the UDID of the device (if the device being used to access the Comcast Web Services is a mobile device) and the URL of the webpage or other asset within the Comcast Web Services that is being requested. This information may also include details relating to the activities users perform within the Comcast Web Services, such as what links they click on, in what order they access specific web pages within the Comcast Web Services, and the search queries they perform on the Comcast Web Services.

> We may also use the Preference Data to deliver other personalized services and features of the Comcast Web Services.

SOUNDS
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tl:dr = As of december 2017 ISPs are allowed to sell OR retraffic your data to anyone.

This means the government can circumvent law and spy on our data, conviently this happened after the 2nd big NSA leak

>generated when all users visit or use the *****Comcast Web Services*****
Only when using THEIR web services. Comcast Web Services is NOT their main internet pipeline. It refers to their internet portals, THEIR websites, for things like email or paying your bill. Places where Google likewise already collects and sells your information.

What they can't do yet is track your pornhub traffic.

You seem smart and you write cogently enough that I don't think you're really this stupid.

You ABSOLUTELY can forfeit rights in the netherlands under contract law.

It's a thanks to your employment contract law. A TOS that clearly states you agree to let them sell your surfing information online would be considered fair and legal, and would be upheld by your courts.

And that's why the "must opt-in" portion of the bill was so important.

>Comcast Web Services

lol
tutorialspoint.com/webservices/what_are_web_services.htm

Web services falls under anything using TCP/IP, HTTP, Java, HTML, and XML.

This includes basic web surfing.

What do you think you did when you signed your name onto the contract for your internet service?

Trump

Dude shut the fuck up. The contract language applies to services provided BY Comcast, not third parties.

If they could already opt you in with the TOS in one fell swoop like that, it wouldn't be the issue that it is now. ISPs would just quietly take what they wanted, like corps always do, and we wouldn't even hear about it.

Read your TOS carefully. They already were, are and will continue to track everything you do. If you refuse to read, this might happen to you.

Stolen

No! It was mine!