Why is Sup Forums against legalization?

Why is Sup Forums against legalization?

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Stoners are degenerates who deserve zero respect past the respect of a boot to their face.

With that said, I support legalization.

>dem teddies
what a waste

She has a piercing in her clit

I'm not.

Alcoholism is worse.

Because weed makes you a drag on society

It's good for people with tremors, Alzheimer's, Cancer ... Are sick people degenerates by nature?
What about functional stoners? Go to work, pay their bills, maintain hygiene. Nearly everyone I've ever worked with in the fast food industry that was under the age of fifty smoked at least once a week, many every day or multiple times a day.

Actually legalizing all drugs would economically crush the cartels, especially if the US signed a trilateral cocaine deal with Columbia and Peru. Mexico would become a ghost country without coca money and remittances, then we can move in and take all Mexico's abandoned land for America's marijuana fields

Reminder that people who believe in degeneracy are total retards.

because legalizing it will make companies eventually add chemicals and shit like they did to tobacco.
Decriminalize is the best future

wtf? let me guess.. mexico?

Actually Sup Forums is full of bluepilled degenerate black dick sucking weedfags.

>worked in the fast food industry
>smoked at least once a week
>worked in the fast food industry
>smoked at least once a week

Connect the dots.

Marijuana and other drugs both man made and natural close your mind and open your body to be infected with the souls of those who have not passed aswel as the negative energy witch comes from this materialostic plane.

Sorry, I typed "fast" out of habit (I'm an economist now and I make a lot of conversation about fast food). I meant to type "service" instead of "fast food." So that included my time in finer dining and catering.

Drugs, alcohol and pornography is a tool of the international jewry used to ensnare the white man.

All arguments fall apart on "Why is alcohol legal but Marijuana is not?"

There is no debate. Alcohol is severely more detrimental to your physical and mental health, and dozens of times more addictive than weed.

Alcohol is literally a poison to the human body we drink just below lethal doses just to feel good and escape the shitty lives everyone's living.

Marijuana allows for a better escape (high), that doesn't nearly impair your judgement or reaction time as much as alcohol, doesn't destroy your liver, doesn't get you addicted, and isn't a literal poison.

Not to mention, if you tax the legal weed, you net billions of extra tax dollars for your state, as seen by the few that have already legalized.

It's not like those are works much higher in the social class. They require little to none ability and rightly paid like shit.

America will be great again soon.

>Why is Sup Forums against legalization?
Sup Forums is full of bootlicking cucks

Only alcoholics drink to get drunk. But everyone smokin weed do it to get high.

Please adequately prove that it is actually good for those sick people in ways that are beyond "It makes them feel good"

Functional stoners would function better without weed. In the cases where this isn't true, they are dependent on a drug, which clearly has a negative impact on their life because they have to stop being productive to treat their dependency. They would benefit much more from breaking the dependence rather than indulging in it. Legal punishments encourage them to pursue breaking the dependency.

You should understand that ability does not necessarily correlate with payout. Teaching is quite arduous but is one of the lowest paid professions in the country, for instance. Anyways, that was just an example.
The CIA has, by their own account, had difficulty hiring "hackers" and anything that falls under that umbrella due to excessive weed use in their applicants (will provide link if you can't find it). Surely white hat hacking is more laborious than, say, construction work? It certainly pays more.

Because it's not fun if its legal. I enjoyed my highs because it was illegal and taboo. Take that away, and it all just becomes a waste of time, more so than it already was.

Long time stoner here.

I don't like the idea of weed becoming a regulated, standardized, copyrighted consumer brand that gets advertised for.
If you ask me, consumption and growing for own needs should be tolerated but trade should be punished harder

Legalization will drive down the black Market price and destroy every thing I have built

>only alcoholics drink to get drunk

wut

>due to excessive weed use in their applicants

Cant they stop smoking in workin hours? Dont seem hard to me, i've never drinked at work, nobody does. I guess weed it's not that light as potheads says.

binge drinking is an anglo thing, you're the joke of europe and dont even know it.

There's more consequences of having an illegal drug, that stoping Billy from missing his car keys.

No one supports prohibition except the people who profit from it(LEOs, drug dealers, politicians) and brain dead statists.

journals.lww.com/clinicalneuropharm/Abstract/2014/03000/Cannabis__Medical_Marijuana__Treatment_for_Motor.1.aspx
Academic article describing the effects of pot on Parkinson's ("dramatic improvements")

cancer.org/treatment/treatments-and-side-effects/complementary-and-alternative-medicine/marijuana-and-cancer.html

>A number of small studies of smoked marijuana found that it can be helpful in treating nausea and vomiting from cancer chemotherapy.

>Smoked marijuana has also helped improve food intake in HIV patients in studies.

>More recently, scientists reported that THC and other cannabinoids such as CBD slow growth and/or cause death in certain types of cancer cells growing in lab dishes. Some animal studies also suggest certain cannabinoids may slow growth and reduce spread of some forms of cancer.
(In fairness, with the above, early trials on human patients have proved relatively ineffective.)
alzheimers.net/6-15-15-effects-of-medical-marijuana-on-alzheimers/
>A preclinical study published in the Journal of Alzheimer’s Disease found that very small doses of tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), a chemical found in marijuana, can slow the production of beta-amyloid proteins, thought to be a hallmark characteristic and key contributor to the progression of Alzheimer’s.

Hemp can also be used in biofuels, paper and clothing, if I'm not mistaken, but the laws on low THC hemp are pretty relaxed IIRC.

>they are dependent on a drug

No they're not, thats the point of being functional. They just smoke because they like it at no detriment to their daily lives. Exactly the same way most people use alcohol

>Why is Sup Forums against legalization?

Weed should have never been outlawed. No laws are necessary regarding it. Not everything needs a mountain of regulations and an army of bureaucrats.

Why are you drinking alcohol if you don't want to get drunk? Why not just drink something non-alcoholic?

No, they weren't smoking at work, they were screened out of the hiring process because THC was found in their bloodstream/urine/hair. I'm not saying on-the-job smoking doesn't occur (I'm guilty of such a thing) but it's pretty atypical.

You're british, i dont blame you for not know shit about wine culture.

>Only alcoholics drink to get drunk
Why else would you drink?

Small amounts of alcohol are pretty nice if you don't have a higher tolerance for it. I drink Kombucha occasionally and get a very nice, light buzz that helps me relax but doesn't inhibit my motor skills or cognition significantly.

Fuck off, everyone drinks to get drunk. Just at different levels.
Normie's at social gatherings bring themselves to .06 to .12 BAC to "loosen up" and become more sociable.

drug laws are a complete scam, legalize all drugs

It's a pretty rigid regulation then, but they should have gotten smarter. Didnt they know about blood tests? It doesnt take much to not smoke for a couple of weeks.

>One sentence OP post
>1 post by this ID

bot-slide thread. Also
>le Sup Forums is one person meme
sage

Marijuana is an incredibly dangerous drug and good people don't smoke it.

>wine culture
You mean that shit where fags waste wine by spitting it out? People who do that should be killed.

nu-conservative trump dick riders can't think for themselves. they're just against anything liberals are for because they hate them. don't get me wrong, I hate liberals too.

THC remains in the hair and bloodstream for months and years, it can be very hard to detox for high-profile jobs like that.
It is rigid - I believe they relaxed it in response - but the fact of the matter is that it is not degenerate, when used in moderation. Much like alcohol, tobacco, khat etc.

>spitting it out

what? stop wastin my time with bullshit, retarded gook.

it's to protect organized crime.

there's a whole industry of people who do nothing but sit around waiting for packages in the mail and then parcel it out at $20 / gram to their friends.

it'd basically put a whole shadow economy out of existence if it became legal.

Even the detox for heroin is shorter, I'm pretty sure that shit leaves your system in like 3 days

I'm not sure about police, but we have a different attitude in Italy. As long you get your job done well and sober nobody give a fuck. They should do the same, cant get why some weed can bother an hacker in any way.

lolololol no.

after getting off opiates, you aren't the same for months, years in many cases. the fact that it doesn't show on drug tests doesn't mean shit- it's completely rewired your reward system.

Yeah it does, but it's also way easier to detect. The trace amount of opium found in a poppy seed muffin eaten a day or two ago will trip most tests that check for opium.

I mean yes you're right but it doesn't show up on tests, that's my point. Employers are more "ok" with former heroin users than former weed users.

Unless someone like me makes the argument that people shouldn't drink alcohol. Social drinking is a phenomena that resulted from alcohol being legal. People who are not intending to try to escape any shitty life drink without getting drunk because it's expected in the social situation they're in. They drink a little in order to fit in at a social gathering but don't get totally intoxicated. Social gatherings where peoples functioning is mostly unimpaired have positive affects on society. Ruining these social gatherings would have negative affects on society. Obviously it would be better if we could have most of society participate in social gatherings without any alcohol, but making alcohol illegal doesn't make this happen. The shift should happen culturally.

Social gatherings with weed have everyone impaired and don't have the same positive affects on society.

Detoxification literally means no longer possessing a certain chemical in your body. Don't think he was saying heroin is better for you, or comparable to marijuana in any way.

didn't read the earlier comment, my bad.

t. stoned.

This is basically legalizing drugs that alter the mind and cause permanent damage.

>implying we're not all already braindamaged in ways that aren't even fun.

Most pot smokers are degenerates who contribute nothing at all. The legalization lobby are also the most dreadful people to listen to
>hurr durr le weed cures cancer

There seems to be a big misunderstanding with Sup Forums. No matter which side of the political spectrum, most people here have libertarian views for the most part. Just because people don't like something or they think it's degenerate or bad or whatever, that doesn't necessarily mean that they are "against" it.

I think homo sex with traps is revolting, but I don't think there should be laws against it. I think racists are retarded, but I certainly support free speech. I think drugs are horrible, especially for younger people, but I don't think people should be punished for using them.

There's a lot of fucked up shit in this world, but I think everybody has the right to do what they want as long as they aren't hurting anybody else.

Because despite the actual uses for hemp
People only want to smoke it
Not to mention government taxes and subsidiaries for it ruining even that
So the whole
Hemp product line, if it is ever put back into use, would be heavily taxes and monitored
Hemp clothing, paper, and other materials are actually really versatile
Wood pulp paper only lasts so long, it's an uncohesive blend of fibers
After 60+ years these books essentially rot while 2000+ year old Chinese manuscripts in hemp paper stay fine
But people only want to smoke it because they're fucking retarded

I make a nice income off weed.

If it is legal, my market will dry up.

No different than Al Capone during the Prohibition era. I want the DEA to crack the whip on Colorado, and other states that have legalised it.

That doesn't address the main part of my argument. Either they would function better without it, or they are dependent to function normally. Smoking itself has detriments to people's daily lives. They have to take time out of their day to find a place to smoke. This time could be devoted to better things. That is not the way most people use alcohol. Only people with serious issues have to go find a time and a place to drink. Most people drink as part of a social gathering without the intent of getting drunk.

You mean like alcohol and tobacco?

>assuming alcohol and tobacco are acceptable here
you have to go back

The academic article may be valid but their website doesn't let me read it.
>treating nausea and vomiting from cancer chemotherapy
>It makes me feel good
> improve food intake
>It makes me feel good
>trials on human patients have proved relatively ineffective
So that's not even a useable point.
The article about alzheimer's isn't very in depth about the results of the study.

I'm skeptical about the benefits of it because they aren't proven to me by those articles. THC in pill form subscribed by doctors might be an acceptable thing, it just hasn't been proven to me yet. And that's still miles away from legalizing it's recreational use.

>biofuels, paper and clothing
We all know we aren't keeping it illegal because of the clothes it makes.

why guy?

Even if I quit smoking pot I'd still support legalization. It takes money out of the hands of gangs and into the hands of government and small business.

This is arguing different definitions of drunk. Would you compare a normies intoxication level after a glass of something barely alcoholic to the intoxication level of someone smoking weed?

Depending on how much you smoke it can be a very different experience.
A small amount could just relax the user and heighten the senses.
An extreme amount could make the user lost in his or her head.

Do you think legalization of marijuana would result in it being used in small amounts similar to how social drinking is done today? Or would most people using it take more than those small amounts?

i'm not, weed is literally harmless

Immediately discrediting "it makes them feel good" is kind of naive from the get-go because most medicine is designed to prolong life while reducing pain/discomfort. The problem with these is that they are expensive, are addictive (read: chemically. Marijuana can be addictive in the same way that porn, video games or certain foods are, but not like tobacco, alcohol, or most importantly - Opiods) and have significantly more withdrawal effects.
The fact of the matter is that there are NO health benefits associated with legal substances (besides pain reduction in alcohol, and an insignificant and temporary IQ boost in nicotine) whose only purposes are "to make people feel good."
Marijuana is cheap and proven to help people - it's only purpose as an illegal substance is to maintain good relations with alcohol, tobacco, and pharmaceutical lobbyists and to generate wealth for the government, which can easily be done with a simple sin tax. I can troll around for academic articles we can both access for hours but if you care for an accurate opinion I'd request you do so on your own time.

neurology.org/content/82/17/1556.full
This one you should be able to access - here's a collection of evidence from around 70 years of study, and you can see the pros and cons thereof. I should note there are many articles released after this one that go into further detail with specific maladies.

your argument is shit

The problem here is that you use the term "functional stoner", but then go on to say you have experience with them in the fast food industry.
Let's put it blunty; You are not fucking functional if you work in the fast food industry, so smoking doesn't make a difference

>Only alcoholics drink to get drunk.
So....... everyone?

As someone moments away from smoking the first bowl of the day, I too think stoners are degenerate retards who deserve a boot to the face.

They do more harm to their crusade for pot legalization than good, and the way most of them are single issue voters pisses me off too.

Fuck stoners.

There's no reason to place everyone in the same box. I smoke at least once a day, but I'm still able to study economics full time and work with coding part time. It haven't changed anything.

THIS

These points are hard to address because they are barely there. I'm not convinced of marijuana's health benefits. But moving on from that, even if I were to agree that it can be used to treat certain things, and that prescribing it in pill form from a doctor is totally okay, that still doesn't amount to legalizing it.

>NO health benefits associated with legal substances
I don't know which legal substances your talking about so I can't really address that. If they don't have any benefits, obviously people shouldn't be doing them.

Being cheap isn't necessarily positive, even if we assume it does help people in a medical environment that is not an argument for legalizing recreational use. It's purpose in being illegal is not to generate wealth for the government, the government could make much more taxing it. And the government doesn't need to maintain good relations with lobbyists. That's backward. The lobbyists need to maintain good relationships with the government.

You a shit

You mean you get high and think you're learning and you don't code full-time.

I want to see grades and pay stubs...

The legal weed is driving down the cost and availability of weed.

It is in MY best intetest for it to be very costly, and hard to get.

I want everyone to by MY weed, not drive to the legal dispensaries to get it.

Have you ever been stoned before?

Unless you're doing dabs, you eventually build up a tolerance and can function perfectly fine while stoned.

oh you misunderstood, i was making a funny with his ID

i think weed gets a bad reputation from the beatniks and hippies. guilt by association.

anyone who has smoked knows it should be legal.

Dude my dream is to be in cyber security

gotta protect wall street and help dealers by keeping prices high

Why would I work full time when I obviously earn enough and have to focus on my studies? I had to have an average of 5.5 to even get in to this bachelor (6 is the highest grade) and last semesters grades are enclosed.

I am pro-legalization

treat it the same way you treat obese people: moderation

regulate it so no more people overdose

the war on drugs has been killing people for decades

Tobacco and alcohol are completely legal and kill people regularly. The negative effects associated with marijuana as a substance degrading the body are nonexistent. The worst it's done has caused traffic collisions, which alcohol is famous for.

Based off that people shouldn't use Tobacco or alcohol. It's not an argument in favor of marijuana.

Weed is degenerative.

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