So can we finally come to the consensus that this isn't some grand "4D chess" scheme...

So can we finally come to the consensus that this isn't some grand "4D chess" scheme, and that the Freedom Caucus is nothing more than an ideological block of lolbertarians and Ben-Shapiro-types?

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I think its people opposing a moron

Shapiro is a neo con not a lolbertarian.

This is a mistake

>wants Obamacare 2.0
>why ebil lolbertarians don't want this wtf is their problem

Neck yourself.

I agree, they are the old guard types. Purely ideological and never stepping out of the box.

i think trump wants to fite us

Good luck getting your 60 votes on a full repeal.

Newsflash: It will never happen.

realism > idealism

Why didnt the freedom caucus work with the GOP to Amend the bill until it wasnt Ryancare anymore?

The freedom caucus is composed of nevertrump retards who need to be given helicopter rides.

Because they are retarded, too? Both Trump and freedom caucus are retards in this situation. Trump should have sticked to the twit he wrote about asking Rand Paul to come up with something better, but we all know he just likes shitposting, because Rand Paul's healthcare plan would definitely pass and it would be good.

im starting to agree with you.

Trump should really get off Twitter. His tweets aren't even helping anything. For example if he bashes the NYT or CNN in his tweets more of his haters will read NYT or watch CNN. Leftists politicians here in Europe are even campaigning on his tweets, they and the media act like he is just like Erdogan and Putin.

"Realism" or what is really just pragmatism without regard to consequence or reflection is how we got to where we are in the first place

One step at a time throughout our tragic history is retards like you saying, "lol this can actually pass though", followed up by trash and the degredation of our country

Literally fucking kill yourself

we need him on social media, whether you like it or not. The MSM will never report what he actually says or does. So its nice to have a direct line to him and the American people. Wish he was on something else besides Twitter tho, twatter is pure piss

No actually is because it was put up for a fast vote to force republicans to vote for it or get the blame. They can "work with" each other right now and vote on a new bill.

You stupid fucks have no idea how procedure works and just rely on whatever bullshit spews from trump, which trump and Ryan & friends rely on

kek confirms

Translation: It's my way or the highway. Enjoy Obamacare.

Also
>it will never happen
Probably because trump, ryan, etc. don't want it to happen because theyll get "Muh lack of gibsmedats killed xyz" in opposition

They don't want to spend the political capital because they're more interested in their career

Yes but he needs to tweet important things that will hurt and expose his opponents. Like how he is fighting back with the Russia-Podesta thing.
Not some nonsense like SNL, CNN, NYT or bashing celebrities who's career has declined over a decade ago.

>it's my way or the highway
Explain to me why trump and Ryan oppose the freedom caucus' plan if not for their own career interests

Why is there even the neocon position in the first place?

These idealistic cuckservatives are why we lose. When we got power they always jam everything up cause "muh constitution". When the left gets power they all fall in line and don't lose sight of their agenda.

i have abandoned trump after this tweet, he doubled down on stupid, embraced the paul ryan cuckus.

DROPPED

Rand 2020 - A Vision for America

what is the agenda that we need to keep in sight?

>why we lose
>wow it really sucks that we can't pass something an inch away from the leftist position in this country
>cuckservatives should just stop being conservative, like a real conservative would

that faggot supports a 14th amendment to the bill of rights and fucked over the tea party trying to call them racists and saying he didnt support them after they suported him by saying htey dont supor tthe 14th amendment and done theyre usual shit of oh fucking racists. fuck you

Let us not forget Freedom Caucus fought against Obamacare, and helped get Boehner bounced from speaker position. Just trying to shove a new health care bill through, so you can say I told you so, isn't good enough for any thinking man. Don't get to cocky Trump.

Source?

>14th amendment
you dont get to pick and choose which amendments you like, sound like sjw faggot

lol seeing libertarians and trumpkins breaking up.
are we going to see a return of the ron paul days?

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Probably because any votes they got out of the Freedom Caucus would have been lost by the RINO "centrists." Also, as has been pointed out numerous times, what took Hussien Obama over a year to craft, Trump/Ryan, in their well-meaning push for decisive action, tried to piece something better together in just 6 weeks, to help alleviate the on coming suffering of the common man.

We're not yes men like you niggers. worry about your Obama spy ring, not what we are discussing, scum.

>Good luck getting your 60 votes on a full repeal.
>Newsflash: It will never happen.
>realism > idealism

>one or two things get tossed in
>Pick up enough dems to call it bipartisan
>Huge victory
>Trump blockade is over
Pretty smart.

I know a way to add just a few things to make it bipartisan, the Dems will want subsidies for poor people buying healthcare, and guaranteed services that all plans have to cover.

This.

Also, The Freedumb Cuckus is extremely autistic, and thinks they can force everything to be 100% neocon and Reagan-esque. They opposed Trump's repeal because it wasn't hard-right enough and still kept some of the government-funded healthcare benefits.

What these retards don't realize is that they better implement as much right-wing and nationalist policy as they can, as fast as they can; before the Dems finish importing enough shitskins and outvote whites. Stalling over the little shit is wasting valuable time right now.

Paid for by....
>guaranteed services
You just lost the support of the freedom caucus in favor of screeching communists

We already have essential services forced by law

>because it wasn't hard right enough
In what way was it at all "right" in nature?

>you just oppose this because it doesn't fit your perfect purity test
>said the shill when anybody opposes the establishment position
Explain to me why trump and Ryan wouldn't support a freedom caucus bill? None of you have explained that to me yet.

As if we start out with the premise that the trump position is correct based upon....?

Why is there a neocon bill in the first place that would even get opposition?

WE ARE 20 TRILLION DOLLARS IN DEBT, WE CANT AFFORD TO WIPE OUR ASS RIGHT NOW YOU IDIOT

Oh shit you're right. I basically just proposed Obamacare! Wow maybe it will be hard to write a bill that a majority likes. Gawrsh, back to the drawing board!

>that faggot supports a 14th amendment

Literally who doesn't? Name one politician.

>We already have essential services forced by law

You can't even get fillings on Medicare

>hard to write a bill that all republicans would support
Not hard
>write a bill that won't have campaigns of crying widows of dead obese lads that lost their insurance
Hard

The ONLY reason this is so hard is because they are fearful of their careers instead of doing what is right. It's the same reason nobody will touch medicare or social security, despite then being disgusting aberrations.

The time to stop a future horrendous program like the others is now when it is new, otherwise you allow interested groups to become dependent and therefore entrenched

Trump is selling us down the river to get Ryan to support future legislation passed, and Ryan is selling us down the river in furtherance of GOP power and his own career

And you retards are shitting on the freedom caucus for wanting to spend political capital WHEN WE HAVE A MAJORITY

There is an endless list of medical services that will prolong your life with no discernable break point. People don't seem to understand this

Necessary is if you are going to die right now

Freedom Carcas is run by Club For Growth you dumb piece of shit Brock employee.

From what I remember repealing Obamacare requires 60 votes to beat the filibuster, while modifying could be done through a process called "reconciliation" which takes 51 votes. Basically, the GOP needs to be virtually united on any bill they want to pass.

This is the idiocy of teh GOP, and shows the desperate need for term limits. Too many on both sides are too entrenched in their roles in the Congress and Senate, and both houses are almost at a standstill because of it.

The GOP needs to wake the fuck up. They rode into success on Trump's coattails, and they're arrogantly thinking they were the reason he got elected - when they tried to Bernie him out of the race for that dickhead Jeb.

One way to look at it is, we know who needs to go, now - the swamp is bipartisan, and it's gonna drain.

Trump didn't need these blowdried bimbos to get elected, and he doesn't need them to get his agenda done.

He's giving them a choice - get with the program, or become a footnote to history.

The midterms are gonna be a bloodbath for them, if they keep this up. They were handed the world on a silver platter, and they're shitting on it.

Freedom kikes need to be dropped like a hot turd. They're almost worse than democucks since they made Trump look bad.

Which wouldn't be difficult at all if they weren't worried about the aforementioned crying plebs

The left has nearly zero problem acting as a hive mind and passing shit that will get them fired

Every time the GOP comes to power, they pass garbage or do nothing, because they're scared and don't want to spend any political capital, when they won't get to keep it anyway

With term limits both representatives and senators would be forced to actually accomplish things, rather than just perpetually grandstand. Furthermore, term limits give congressmen the freedom to vote on unpopular bills without worrying about reelection.

The people who were opposed to trump were largely the neocons now supporting his bill you fucking retarded dickhead

Go suck his dick in trump general faggot

>trump at 36% approval
>trump will win
get real pal, he is president now but its just going to get harder for him now. He will keep Republican control but those new congressman are going to be libertarian and voting with the freedom caucus and rand. nice reddit spacing you faggot go back to the donald where dissent = not allowed

>The left has nearly zero problem acting as a hive mind and passing shit that will get them fired

That's false, otherwise we would have single payer health care right now. Democrats had a much a bigger majority than the GOP does now, and were 1 vote away from supermajority and Obamacare was the best thing they could muster out of it all.

it also gives them the freedom to rape the country for their backers because they dont have to worry about relection

The government shouldnt be doing shit, you guys sound like a bunch of liberal faggots, the government will never be able to do anything well.

Or we could just let states pick the senators again

I don't think term limits would accomplish that goal, because then instead of having the long term good guys, you now have almost entirely short term individuals loyal to the party

Every person is now a new guy who needed money to run, it also skews any leverage you could build up as a good guy in favor of the party

Essentially you'll just empower the Democrat and Republican organizations more and make them gatekeepers

>The government shouldnt be doing shit, you guys sound like a bunch of liberal faggots

>wanting term limits makes you a liberal

How the fuck do you think the establishment is made? It's made by congressmen that sit in congress for decades and make all sorts of connections.

Stop LARPing, you're the Redditfag.

I said nearly zero

And they could have gotten single payer if they didn't want to rush it, much like the GOP is doing now

You also mistake their intention as in favor of single payer, when it was intentionally designed to integrate insurance companies. They want to cannabalize the private sector money instead of replacing it, or they would have done medicaids for all

The only problem with that is it would be almost impossible to pass. Congress would have to vote against their own interests get there.

The only other way is to primary the entitled fucks. Give the people someone worth voting for.

>its made by
No, most of the money around government isn't actually in government. You would only cut off the people who would otherwise be able to establish a reputation, in favor of rent seeking newcomers

Repeal the senator amendment instead

What is the Freed*m caucus?

I don't disagree, originally state senators were corrupt as hell when choosing senators, that's why they made the amendment. However, due to the cost of campaigns, the corruption has manifested again. A good senator would be chosen from the result of deliberation between state senators. However, state senators have their own election campaigns too, it's not a perfect system.

Perhaps it's good to oscillate between the systems, as corruption is a slow process.

He's a leftist LARPing as a lolberg to promote right-wing infighting.

I agree with making Congressional term limits also. People like McCain, Boehner, and Graham needed to be thrown-out a long time ago. They're basically sockpuppets for the Dems and deep state.

our last chance for this country

Rand Paul's little lackeys. Mostly libertarian, all retards.

>it was intentionally designed to integrate insurance companies

Yes, however, Democrats were not united in wanting this. There is a reason they call this group of people the "monoparty".

Is this guy a fucking retard?

Does he not realize why his approval rating tanks?

Only 17% approve of this fucking bill. Nobody likes it and premiums would actually rise.

Move on , or make a better bill

You are absolutely retarded.

We got here by ideology, lobbyists, and special interests.

FACT: Because the Freedom Caucus refuses to negotiate we will end up with a less conservative and less free bill. Do you think the democrats are going to agree with the freedom caucus? LMAO.

They actively chose the worst outcome to protect their ego and principles. That is the heart of idealism. Realism is choosing the best case scenario.

Perception of a corrupt state legislature is more esily corrected than a corrupt senator

It's easier to vote out more locally. The problem with most voters and policies is people want results immediately, because they're fucking retarded

wtf i hate trump now?

Have you looked at the house dude? The freedom caucus is 30 members. How many people do you think are against their plan? My bet is 150.

we wouldnt need term limits if the people werent so fucking stupid to keep voting for these losers, but the idea that they dont have a ready supply of losers to replace them under term limits is silly, and they would really push to fuck the people in their short time. term limits arent so cut and dry, you would also be removing good people, throwing out the baby with the bath water.
we need to put caps on campaigns, like an nfl team. thats a much better solution

What follows is an exchange between Steve Bannon and Mo Brooks, a Freedom Caucus member. This is an example of poor governance:
> (Bannon) walked into the room and said, “Guys, look. This is not a discussion. This is not a debate. You have no choice but to vote for this bill.”

>Brooks replied “You know, the last time someone ordered me to something, I was 18 years old. And it was my daddy. And I didn’t listen to him, either.”

Losing a "good" politician is better than a bad one staying in power for 30 years.

Even if you put campaign restrictions on a politician, that won't necessarily change their core views or character.

they refused to negotiate with the freedom caucus, they wrote a bill, and said vote yes, no changes.

>Even if you put campaign restrictions on a politician, that won't necessarily change their core views or character.

and you think somehow term limits will do that magically?

Yes, it will keep them on constant rotation, so a really shit one can't stay in power forever.

They gave them like 20 fucking concessions dude.

They even cut Essential Benefits which 70% of republicans didn't want cut.

Trump met and negotiated with them day after day. Trump moved closer to their side and they stayed stagnant.

>Why didnt the freedom caucus work with the GOP to Amend the bill until it wasnt Ryancare anymore?
Because the Establishment kept it in committee until it was time to vote, thus preventing anyone from even attempting to amend it.

The Republicans passed an actual repeal of Obamacare 7 times in the past, when they knew it would get vetoed, but now that they control both Houses and POTUS they act like they've forgotten how to do it. This is because the thing killing America is a 1 party system between Establishment Republicans and Democrats who work hand in glove with Globalist, Kike, Faggots.

Bannon is some fat guy that ran a website, he has no idea what the fuck he is doing

so now we get a steady stream of really shit people, sounds great. term limits are like putting a garfield bandaid on sucking chest wound, you should really put some more thought into it. there is bad and good to term limits, your able to understand 2 sides of an issue right? lmao

>dems want single-payer healthcare

Erdoğan is your benevolent daddy

Bannon actually made his money running a Gold Farmong company on Warcraft servers.

spectator.org/no-the-house-freedom-caucus-isnt-a-bunch-of-purists/

The House Freedom caucus literally had no problem with the bill other than covering pre-existing conditions and allowing 24 year olds to stay on family plan.

You cannot make this shit up. They wanted the 2 most popular portions of Obamacare that Trump promised he would keep, repealed.

Yes and? That is their right if they feel it represent the people who elected them

That's...not better. He's way the hell out of his element, has nothing to trade on. No contacts, no network that can take on Koch money, and no buy in from Congress. Brooks might as well have dragged him in to a bathroom to give him a swirly

MFW Sup Forums realizes Trump isn't playing 4D chess but barely understanding Connect Four

Aw, someone is upset!

Dude. Nobody gives a fuck about the approval number. Getting shit done is the only thing that counts - the rest is smoke and mirrors.

Gotta admit Brooks shut him the fuck down. Also why wasnt Trump there to personally talk? Why send alcoholic Grendel Wyrmtounge to give an ultimatum to allies?

Congress cares about that number. They aren't going to support a loser

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They demanded too much and Trump gave them too much. As a result he lost moderate support because these right wing nut jobs moved the goal posts too far.

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Freedom caucus is the only based group in DC. And, Shapiro > Milo

You know what the real lesson is from all this? Trump will cut and run. Say what you will but Obama fought for ghe ACA for 18 months and personally toured the nation.
Trump gave up after a week. Trump has no grit.

This

Starting to think Trump has fully jumped on the corporatist Republican Jew train

>getting shit done
like healthcare?