Every time when the topic of German invasion of Poland comes up, stormfags make this retarded argument.
Yet, they never back it up with a single source, quote or citation.
They don't mention a single name, date or place.
Can we resolve this argument once and for all and make stormfags admit that, in fact, Poles never committed any crimes against Germans, as well as that there is no justification of Hitler's invasion of Poland?
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Who cares. Nat-socialism is an eternally dead bullshit being worshipped only by a minor minority of edgy Internet retards. Let them say what they want
>Nat-socialism is an eternally dead bullshit being worshipped only by a minor minority of edgy Internet retards. Let them say what they want
This is what you think. But do you know the telling "A lie repeated a thousand times becomes true"?
I've recently saw a huge influx of German revisionist versions of history, not only on Sup Forums, but also in other places of web. Youtube videos promoting German version, like "Greatest Story Never Told", are getting thousands of likes.
This is dangerous for a Polish reason of state, just as much as Jewish claims of "Polish Holocaust victims" or "Polish death camps" are.
I've never heard this argument until now
Well, just look at this post
Or this one
Stormfags are just as brainwashed as liberals.
They will repeat every lie Nazi propaganda ever made up just to justify muh Good Goy Adolf.
Who do you think is watching and liking those videos?
The echo chamber of Sup Forums extends beyond just visiting Sup Forums, it's an army of retards on Twitter and Youtube.
Yet, more and more normies start swallowing that """redpill""" and repeating those lies. Mostly uneducated, dumb Americans who overally have no knowledge of history, and believe everything they find on the internet and contrary to the popular belief is true.
I believe most of them don't even believe this bullshit, as they've already been proven wrong countless times. Yet, they cynically keep reprating it regardless.
Goebbels would be proud.
Fucking Pole-niggers letting their inferiority blind their view of history.
Europe seems to be going back to the retarded wars they ever had.
WW1 and WW2 solved absolutely nothing.
Truly sad.
Can you produce anything else besides namecalling?
huffingtonpost.com
Except you know its true. The forced migration and ethnic cleansing of German folk from Poland and Chekoslovakia were the leading causes of ww2
>t. Potato-nigger
I hope every single Pole dies in fire.
You are subhumans and deserve genocide.
How about a reputable source you dumb leaf. Your article is a blog post on the Huffington Post. You might aswell direct us to a tumblr blog.
Arsepained Polen btfoed
>huffingtonpost.com
This link refers to the expulsions of Germans that happened AFTER WW2. Do you have anything on actual topic?
>The forced migration and ethnic cleansing of German folk from Poland and Chekoslovakia were the leading causes of ww2
As I said - post citations, links, quotes proving that.
Anything.
stop VIRTUE SIGNALLING
slavs aren't even WHITE
if you don't fight CULTURAL MARXISM you're part of the problem
Blame the treaty of Versailles, nigger. Hitler did nothing wrong.
Germany wanted to get Poland as an ally against the communists.
Truly said. What could have been prevented.
It's the same thing every time, conspiracy or revision of history to justify ideologies or politics. You will see the same thing among a lot of radical Islamists who literally think the West is out to destroy Islam, while reality is much simpler.
What does your article have to do with your claim, it's literally talking about the expulsion of Germans after WWII. Literally every country got rid of Germans after WWII, it's not a secret to anyone but retards. And yes it was illegally done, nobody denies it.
>jrbooksonline.com
Ah yes, this quote that gets posted every time.
Did you actually read it yourself?
This "article" refers exclusively to the "Bloody Sunday" - an incident that took place on September 3rd 1939, and as a RESULT of German invasion of Poland.
en.wikipedia.org
>The sequence started with an attack of German Selbstschutz snipers on retreating Polish troops and then was followed by a Polish reaction and then the final retaliatory execution of Polish hostages by the Wehrmacht and Selbstschutz, after the fall of the city. All these events resulted in the deaths of both German and Polish civilians. The Polish Institute of National Remembrance found and confirmed 254 Lutheran victims, assumed to be German victims, and 86 Catholic victims, assumed to be Polish civilians, as well as 20 Polish soldiers. Approximately 600–800 Polish hostages were shot in a mass execution in the aftermath of the fall of the city
The source, indeed, claims that "Poles had been merrily slaughtering anything or anybody German since at least as early as April 1939".
Yet, then it focuses solely on the Bloody Sunday incident.
So, my question stands. Can you post any citations, sources, etc. proving that Germans were being "slaughtered" or "mistreated" by Poles before WW2? With specified names, dates and places.
Unless you want to claim that an incident that happened after WW2 already broke out was a reason behind outbreak of WW2.
>Australian "intellectuals".
>watches anime
>also a nazi
Kek
I agree and I'd like some sources as well. This has never been about "redpilling" for me (I'm libertarian - through and through)...what I care about is the truth. I accept that much of what I learned in school 15 years ago was driven by bias by the victors and a certain "tenderness" that still lingered from wartime survivors. It's been 70 years, and I feel it's time to kill the bias and talk about WWII the same way we speak of WWI or the American Revolution. It's time to approach the subject with a clean slate, so to speak.
Why did USSR invade Poland? Why do NatSocs (who I don't agree with but have to defend in some way because especially Poles constantly throw all Germans and NatSocs in the same bucket while not realizing they're forcing Germans to defend Nazism by doing that) get asked these questions but leftists who love Stalin get a pass?
>if you don't fight CULTURAL MARXISM you're part of the problem
Poland, despite of always being in opposition to Nazism, managed to remain ethnically clean, white, conservative nation,
Your point?
Essential: www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSLy5qn7q7c&t
Polish are the dindus of ww2
>Hitler's speech
Hitler's speech doesn't constitute as a "source" or "proof".
I don't care, watch it or shut your mouth
here is a German video about crimes committed by Poles against Germans
youtube.com
I'd love to make an English version of it if Poles continue to ask for it like this
My point was obvious bait, throwing in some buzzwords
>Blame the treaty of Versailles
How so?
>Germany wanted to get Poland as an ally against the communists
With the price being part of our land.
>"Hand over your land or we will invade you, and then MAYBE you will get a chunk of shitty Ukrainian soil after we invade USSR together, given that we don't fail, of course. Don't forget you're our puppet state from now on"
Top tier diplomacy there, Hitler.
Only a fool wouldn't agree for such a generous offer, aye?
>I'd love to make an English version of it
Oh, you can just summarize it in your own words.
What did Poles exactly do?
Dates, names, places, etc.
Your land, you mean the shit you were given after WW1?
Just admit you faggots backed the wrong horse and are responsible for helping (((them))) push the lie of the holocaust, which has cucked European peoples for decades upon decades.
>I don't care, watch it or shut your mouth
Kek, this isn't how it works.
Post an actual source claiming exactly what kind of "atrocities" Poles ever committed against ethnic Germans - with dates, names, places, etc.
>Your land, you mean the shit you were given after WW1?
Do you mean the rightfully Polish soil that Germany stole 100 years earlier? There was Polish majority living in there, and democratic referendums were held after WW1. People voted to join Poland.
Stormfags BTFO'd yet again.
>Just admit you faggots backed the wrong horse
Well Hitler lost in the end, so we clearly didn't.
>Push the lie of Holocaust
What do you mean by that? The Holocaust was real.
The funny thing is, not only Poland didn't "oppress" Germans - we even gave autonomy to the German-speaking region of Silesia.
en.wikipedia.org
Despite of all the shit that Germans did to Polish minorities after partitions.
en.wikipedia.org
Fucking ungrateful cunts.
>"poles" (the "slavic", non-Teutonic types, really Turco-Ugaric, Hunnic, Tartar and Mongoloid residue from the old "Dark Age" invasions)
Kek, what an unbiased, reliable source.
Regardless, it doesn't mention any supposed "crime" that would happen before WW2 as the other Pole already said, so I have no idea why you posted it.
> Only a fool wouldn't agree for such a generous offer, aye?
Indeed, given the alternative which came to pass and almost resulted in destruction of Polish nation...
No, Polish minorities against German crimes were the WW2 behind the reason
Polands were mean to ukrainians untils one time when ukrainians stood up. It's true.
>Well Hitler lost in the end, so we clearly didn't.
If Poland and Germany were aligned, then the invasion of USSR could have started at least 1 year earlier, and some 300km closer to Moscow.
>given the alternative which came to pass and almost resulted in destruction of Polish nation...
Germans could have as well still lose the war, which would make us even more fucked, which would most likely happen.
If they didn't, we'd become their puppet state pretty much like we were to USSR, except that unlike Stalin who actually held no racial grudge against Poles, most of Germans did (even if Hitler himself personally didn't) and after Hitler's death, racial tensions between Poles and Germans would most likely occur. With Germany, obviously, having an upper hand in this conflict - with noone to stop them from genocides this time.
It wuz 6 gorillion dead Germans and they are the true victims.
Satire aside, if it was reslly that bad, they could have moved back instead of being a sandnigger tier nuisance.
Nobody denies that. There was lot of bad blood on both sides.
I believe, however, that it can be put behind and and we can be good friends from now on, especially after you've finally broken from Moscow's rule.
Just please, stop worshipping UPA. You're only hurting yourselves by doing that.
This is not something a child like you can understand
>If they didn't, we'd become their puppet state pretty much like we were to USSR, except that unlike Stalin who actually held no racial grudge against Poles, most of Germans did (even if Hitler himself personally didn't) and after Hitler's death, racial tensions between Poles and Germans would most likely occur. With Germany, obviously, having an upper hand in this conflict - with noone to stop them from genocides this time.
You realize that the puppet state would have its own army making the genocide somewhat difficult?
Also, it's possible that the genocide would not have happened at all. The impulse for that came only after the English started bombing German cities to hell, resulting in a lot of homeless Germans. Only then some had a great idea to send some Poles and Jews to the chimney to free up apartments...
As the other user said - we could have as well lose regardless. Then what? Don't fall for populistic bullshit of Zychowicz.
Germans would never saw us as their equals. For them, we would be just another cannon fodder, like Hungary or Slovakia.
Agreed - Poland got jewed by Stalin and Churchill
>You realize that the puppet state would have its own army making the genocide somewhat difficult?
What would an army mean if Germans had a crashing advantage, and entire Europe (or at least eastern Europe) behind their back?
Also, just look at other Hitler's puppet states, like Hungary. They were nothing but his pushovers, completely subjected to Berlin's will, except for being an "equal" ally on paper.
>Also, it's possible that the genocide would not have happened at all
I've mentioned the hypothetical situation, let's say, 40 years later, after Hitler's death.
The Europe is ruled by Germans (like most of eastern Europe was ruled by the Soviets), but the Poland isn't ethnically clean state. There is still huge German minority. The German minorities start chimping out (like the Russian minorities chimp out in Ukraine and Estonia nowadays) and demand to be "freed".
Are you sure you've considered all the scenerios of your glorious master plan?
The modern state of the world should clue you in that you backed the wrong horse, retard. The communists and liberals 'winning' may have doomed us all.
>stole 100 years prior
kek
If you were so incompetent that you couldn't get it back after a fucking century you didn't deserve it
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>The communists and liberals 'winning' may have doomed us all
No. The cultural revolution of 1968 did.
Stormfags keep forgetting that entire west was conservative and white up to 70s. 50s America was basically white man's heaven and pinnacle of huaman civilization.
You can only blame yourselves for falling for retarded neomarxist agenda and spreading it in Europe. Manlet leader with moustache losing the war had nothing to do with that.
>If you were so incompetent that you couldn't get it back after a fucking century you didn't deserve it
The point is, we did, and this is what made Hitler so butthurt.
It never would have happened if Germany had won, you moron. Yes, the west fell for it- no thanks to you guys. To this day your country perpetuates the obvious hoax of gas chambers. You're propping up the creation myth of the atheist liberal religion- the Holocaust.
How about you work on freeing your white brothers from the bondage you helped impose on them? Or do you care more about your petty squabbles with Germans?
>The German minorities start chimping out (like the Russian minorities chimp out in Ukraine and Estonia nowadays)
Russians in Estonia are chimping out because Estonia denies them citizenship under the pretext of not speaking Estonian.
It's rather obvious that a Nazi Poland would have bilingual administration and pander to Germans in other ways.
> No. The cultural revolution of 1968 did.
If the Soviet Union was crushed back in WW2, there would be nobody to finance the 1968 revolution.
The reports are in the Danzig newspaper and from danzig senate politicans. It was also reported in Goerrings newspaper.
Toland notes they were real but exaggerated.
>It never would have happened if Germany had won, you moron
How can you be sure of that, retard?
As I said, don't look for a fault where is none. You are 100% responsible for what happened to west. By winning the war, you become #1 world power, something most of American stormfags forget. Had you stopped the cultural revolution of '68, west would still be conservative. Pre-70s west was exactly what stormfags dream about.
>To this day your country perpetuates the obvious hoax of gas chambers
Holocaust was real, as well as other crimes committed by 3rd Reich against Polish people.
Do you honestly feel a need to whitewash German crimes just because your white supremacist ideology forces you to defend a manlet leader of a European nation that lived 70 years ago?
>How about you work on freeing your white brothers from the bondage you helped impose on them?
Again, you can only blame yourselves for falling for neomarxism. Nobody forced you to accept it.
>Or do you care more about your petty squabbles with Germans?
As long as stormfags promote the false version of history, whitewashing murdereds of Polish people, we will call them out on their bullshit.
>Estonia denies them citizenship under the pretext of not speaking Estonian
If they feel "oppressed", they can fuck off back to Russia. Nobody keeps them there forcefully.
>It's rather obvious that a Nazi Poland would have bilingual administration and pander to Germans in other ways.
Ergo, we would be cucked.
Yet another proof that we made a good choice by rejecting Hitler's "offer".
>If the Soviet Union was crushed back in WW2, there would be nobody to finance the 1968 revolution
While western marxists indeed received big fundings from the Soviet Union, this sort of movement would happen in this or other form regardless. Again - Americans fucked up by not squashing this movement in its fetus state. The fault is entirely theirs.
>The reports are in the Danzig newspaper and from danzig senate politicans. It was also reported in Goerrings newspaper
[citation needed]
>the holocaust
>a lie
You all think you've taken the red pill, but it's a pink fruity jellybean. You want to be edgy and support the Nazis but you don't support their ethnic cleansing, so you shut your eyes, plug your ears, pretend that part never happened, and watch feel-good stump speeches from your Blessed Adolf.
He was a sick puppy, and Nazism was autistic Elliott Rodger-tier day-of-retribution beta butthurt.
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A 93-year-old Nazi is testifying this year that he was complicit in the mass murder machine at Auschwitz. Go ahead and try to claim that the Soviets or Churchill's guys tortured a confession out of him.
archive.fo
The more mature stance is to work to put the Nazi's war crimes in perspective as being on equal footing to the Allies'.
>Greatest story never told
Kek, this "documentary" repeats the bullshit about "Germans being persecuted by Poles prior to WW2".
What a believable source.
AYO HOL UP
>Holocaust was real
Everybody point at the newfag commie and laugh
Are you jewish by chance? Such a shame the goyim aren't believing your lies about the holocoaster and the masturbation machines anymore. Uncle lampshade would be so disappointed.
>repeating those lies
The true liars here are Poles who literally had to falsify history to legitimize their theft of German lands
>Are you jewish by chance?
Kek, do you honestly believe that "Jews" were the only victims of German camps?
If yes, then you are the real victim of Jewish propaganda.
Almost 2 millions of people murdered in camps were Catholic Poles.
Like a clockwork. See
Hmmm I wonder what other fucking wars the Germans lost before WW II that would lead to them being expelled from countries.
Man I just don't know, maybe Sup Forums can help me out?
What do you say Sup Forums? What war did Germany loose before WWII that they were the primary antagonist of that would have countries expelling people? I mean we've established the fact they were kicked out after losing one war, maybe it happened in the past too right?
>legitimize their theft of German lands
Which "German lands" have we exactly "stolen", and when did it happen?
I don't know man, do you have any proofs that Germans were being expelled after WW1?
Any citations, or quotes, maybe?
>The source, indeed, claims that "Poles had been merrily slaughtering anything or anybody German since at least as early as April 1939".
Cute. Because April 1939 was when Poland definitely told Hitler to go fuck himself regarding the alliance. So German propaganda immediately went to work producing Polish "atrocities" to justify the future invasion.
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>the testimony of 93 year old likely being threatened by kike 'nazi hunters' along with his family
>legitimate
Sure thing, shlomo. Your holocaust narrative is rife with logic gaps and inconsistencies, and outright fabrications. The evidence for actual gas chambers is absolutely threadbare.
And yet, they still can't spew out anything besides "muh Bromberg", which unfortunately happened after WW2 already started.
Uncle Goebbels did a really poor job on that one.
I know when it happened; it doesn't matter that it happened 3 days after the war.
1945. Eastern Germany
bundesarchiv.de
nytimes.com
>Germans in Poland are persecuted with a bloody terror and are driven from their homes. The series of border violations, which are unbearable to a great power, prove that the Poles no longer are willing to respect the German frontier. In order to put an end to this frantic activity no other means is left to me now than to meet force with force.
Read the thread you mouth breathing slav nigger.
bpb.de
>Bis Mitte 1925 zählte das Statistische Reichsamt 850.000 deutsche "Grenzlandvertriebene" aus den polnischen Westgebieten
>Why Gas chembers are a myth
Ah yes - the old stormfag narrative, that unfortunately has been scientifically debunked long time ago?
nizkor.org
Also, answer Did you honestly believe that only Jews were held and murdered in camps? Where did you get your knowledge of history? Holywood, perhaps?
>it doesn't matter that it happened 3 days after the war
It does, because logically, this can't be used as an argument that the "Polish persecituons" were the reason behind German invasion.
>1945. Eastern Germany
I believe you mean "Polish lands that Germans stole in middle ages".
>Muh Magna Germania
Ever heard of "Migration Period"? Germanic tribes left these lands and travelled to west. Slavs came in their place.
Should of told your grand ascentors not to leave the soil and then cry that new people came and settled in there.
>bundesarchiv.de
Translate, nobody in here speaks German.
Get in the oven, kikelord.
Poland is the about the only country that legitimately needs to go extinct. Fucking vile people that need to disappear from history.
>1st September 1939
> The text of the proclamation reads:
>To the defense forces:
>The Polish nation refused my efforts for a peaceful regulation of neighborly relations; instead it has appealed to weapons.
>Germans in Poland are persecuted with a bloody terror and are driven from their homes. The series of border violations, which are unbearable to a great power, prove that the Poles no longer are willing to respect the German frontier. In order to put an end to this frantic activity no other means is left to me now than to meet force with force
What you just quoted is an official statement of Hitler, directed to his troops. After the war has already started.
Again. When did these persumed "persecutions" happend? Who was the victim?
Names, places, dates. Citations, quotes, documents.
We're in sync, compatriot.
the migration period was in the early middle ages, retard
you sound like a native american whining about "muh rightful clay" because your ancestors lost the lands hundreds of years ago
Prussia, Danzig and all the rest were German for hundreds of years
and with the significant german minorities, Germany was justified in claiming it back after it was given to you after ww1
get over it
>implying
>It does, because logically, this can't be used as an argument that the "Polish persecituons" were the reason behind German invasion.
Danzig was the reason alone for invasion.
>Ever heard of "Migration Period"? Germanic tribes left these lands and travelled to west. Slavs came in their place.
Only the minority of the German population that lived there travelled west. Most of the local peasantry and artisians stayed there and made a continuum to the German population that lived there until 1945.
>Translate, nobody in here speaks German.
translate.google.com
Plátano hivemind in action.
I'm here from the very beginning.
Nobody posted a single credible source so far.
Again, translate this shit, or post the actual English source.
>From Alsace-Lorraine alone, 120,000-150,000 people came to the rest of the empire. A further 16,000 immigrants came from the former German colonies. The immigration from the eastern territories of the empire, which had been ceded to Poland under the Versailles Treaty, was much more extensive. Up to the middle of 1925, the Statistical Reichsamt counted 850,000 German "border-land-displaced persons" from the Polish West. In addition, the approximately 120,000 "Germans" came into the Reich from the former Czar empire in the war and postwar conflicts between 1917 and 1921/22. However, about half of them went on to overseas or migrated back to Poland or the USSR by thousands.
Poles have heart. They are historically catholic which is good.
At the Gates of Vienna we stood together and defended Europe.
The last century was an overall catastrophe that shouldn't be the definition of our future.
There's a german posting sources in this thread right now but you're too fucking lazy to use google translate.
>the migration period was in the early middle ages, retard
Indeed. This is when the Germanic tribes left the current Slavic soil.
Then, the Slaves moved in there and established their kingdoms. See Poland had its current borders since 966. The current eastern Germany was inhabited by Polabian Slavs.
Then, in middle ages, Germans started systematically invading, genociding and occupying Polabian and Polish lands.
>Prussia, Danzig and all the rest were German for hundreds of years
See pic related in . Gdańsk was Polish city for most of its history.
As for Prussia - Germans stole it from baltic tribes of old Prussians.
>Germany was justified in claiming it back after it was given to you after ww1
No, it wasn't. See There was Polish majority living in there, and democratic referendums were held after WW1. People voted to join Poland.
>Danzig was the reason alone for invasion.
How so, if it didn't even fucking belong to Poland? It was a Free State, under League of Natons governorship.
>Only the minority of the German population that lived there travelled west
I think you're talking about some alternative history timeline.
Since early middle ages, these lands clearly belonged to Slavic tribes. There were no Germans living in there whatsoever up to the 12th-13th century.
Hurrr muh holeeecast hurrr hurrrr hurrrr rreeeeeeeeeeeeee
>translate.google.com
>From Alsace-Lorraine alone, 120,000-150,000 people came to the rest of the empire. A further 16,000 immigrants came from the former German colonies. The immigration from the eastern territories of the empire, which had been ceded to Poland under the Versailles Treaty, was much more extensive. Up to the middle of 1925, the Statistical Reichsamt counted 850,000 German "border-land-displaced persons" from the Polish West. In addition, the approximately 120,000 "Germans" came into the Reich from the former Czar empire in the war and postwar conflicts between 1917 and 1921/22. However, about half of them went on to overseas or migrated back to Poland or the USSR by thousands.
So this article is basically about Germans willingly leaving the other countries and migrating to Germany. It even says that more than half of them migrated back.
Where does it mentuon any alledged "persecution" or "explusions"?
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Who cares? NatSoc is badass lifestyle and that's all that matters, really.