Can we talk about how 1984 is communist propaganda? Because I just realized it's communist propaganda

Can we talk about how 1984 is communist propaganda? Because I just realized it's communist propaganda.

he was a fucking ((democratic socialist)), did he know what he was doing, or was he just a useful idiot?

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He wrote an essay entitled "New World Order"
of course he knew what he was doing.

It was factional infighting yes. Just like Animal Farm.
But useful warnings anyway.

Its a critique of Stalinism. Orwell was a Libertarian Socialist.

Orwell fought for the anarchists in Spain during the Spanish Civil War. The USSR betrayed the Anarchists and in the end Franco won because that, and because of the betrayal of the liberals to whom the Anarchists were also allied.

1984 is real.

1984 was written in 1949.

George Orwell named the Jew.

Not unless it was some kind of reverse psychology propaganda which failed miserably (when's the last time you heard someone refer to the society in 1984 as desirable or good?)

apparently I'm slow as fuck because I've been redpililng myself for years and only just realized. I just never looked very close into political theory and I'm kicking myself for not doing it sooner.

Fucking commies need to fucking die.

George Orwell believed in Libertarian Socialism, not Stalinism, the book is a critique of Stalinism, not Socialism

george orwell was a commie. In Spain he fought with the POUM- The Workers' Party of Marxist Unification

That was H.G. Wells.

H.G. Wells had a lot of inside information on the NWO. He studied under Thomas Henry Huxley, grandfather of Julian Huxley (notorious eugenicist, founder and first director of the proto-globalist organization UNESCO, founder of WWF).

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Huxley

Julian Huxley, of course, was the brother of Aldous Huxley, who also spilled the beans on the NWO countless times.

Huxley's works are always defended as a more realistic approach to the NWO's mass control techniques than Orwell's ones. Orwell was an outsider concerned by totalitarianism in general. Wells and Huxley were aware of the true plan.

>Fucking commies need to fucking die.

You said it son

HG Wells was also a Socialist. As was Aldous Huxley, who was an anarchist.

Stop trying to take all our guys, all of these people were commies

So George Orwell needs to die? (again) and So does Aldous Huxley and HG Wells?

The three superstates are all communist. The book is an example of leftist infighting, not communist propaganda

Its a critique of the USSR, its Anarchist Propoganda

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For fuck sakes Canada Another P.C. Tim Hortons commercial embracing immigrants. This place is Cucked to the max.
m.youtube.com/watch?v=S0pjW2ltKwI

communist propaganda ?

In other words it propagates communism...

ok, sit down OP, think for a while
now, do you still think so ?

yes, then you are fucking retarded

1984 IS ANTI COMMUNIST AND BY EXTENSION ANTI AUTHORITARIAN AS FUCK, JUESUS FUCKING CHRIST I AM MAD !!

Orwell was bashing the cucks before it was cool

Communism is anti authoritarian you dumb drumpfkin

named the jew where?

Thank you thank you very much

>1984 IS ANTI COMMUNIST AND BY EXTENSION ANTI AUTHORITARIAN AS FUCK


But this is wrong, as George Orwell himself would tell you, as I keep saying, George Orwell was a Libertarian Socialist

Its like you people can't admit he was a leftist or something

>>HG Wells was also a Socialist. As was Aldous Huxley, who was an anarchist.
>
> Stop trying to take all our guys, all of these people were commies

Of course they were. Any ideology that promotes the control of the population through authoritarianism is heavily supported by the banking elite. Cultural marxism is just another tool in their arsenal.

why are you thanking him for incorrect information when the correct information is right in front of you?

youtu.be/cio80tYaWPA
makes you want to sing

In theory not in practice faggot

Communism is leftist authoritarianism, the superstates in 1984 are communist and very similar to soviet russia

He was a massive useful idiot.
He didn't like it when his ideology was put in practise in Russia and went of full on shit just like many critics of socialism and communism foretold.
He ignored all the crimes commited by his side in Spanish Civil War saying "They aren't real socialists, They're just radicals"

Really makes your wonder wtf was he expectiong when he was a fan of a person who said
>"We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror." - Karl Marx

They only thing he did good was writing how horrible can ultra-totalitarian state can be and his criticism of Stalinism.

Equality or else. Wew lad.

Where Breitbart Infowars if so where's my flying damn car it shame when pigs are flying in Air Force One

>George Orwell
>HG Wells
>Aldous Huxley
>supported by the banking elite

okay buddy sure thing

Somebody hasn't heard of Revolutionary Catalonia before have they. 30-50% increase in crop yields over 3 years depending on sources. Remarkable place. No wonder Orwell was willing to lay his life on the line for it

>Communism is anti authoritarian you dumb drumpfkin
as proven by every single communist regime in history... oh wait

>crimes committed by the Anarchists

Yeh I mean its not like they were fighting Franco or anything like that..

So they got rid of some Churches, so what? Its not the Church has been actually Christian for thousands of years anyway

Unholy shit trips

REVOLUTIONARY CATALONIA

REVOLUTIONARY ROJAVA

THE UKRAINIAN FREE TERRITORY

CHIAPAS

THE HONDURAN CAMPESINO MOVEMENT

>Communism is anti authoritarian you dumb drumpfkin
Don't know if bait, but still you're a massive faggot.
Back to >>>/leftypol/

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orwell's_list

He spent the last period of his life writing anti-stalinist propoganda and even kept a list of traitors. His views had definitely been shaped by the what he saw as the betrayal of the republican side by the hardcore commies in the Spanish civil war.

I didn't say they were personally supported by the banking elite (although H.G. Wells and Aldous Huxley were both deeply rooted in it by family ties).

I said the banking elite supports any totalitarian ideology that serves their global domination and population control agenda, and that those writers used their works to cryptically warn the public about the truth because of their insider knowledge.

youtube.com/watch?v=x9cbOLKkxzs

Anarchist Communism is pretty much founded on eradicating the banking elite.

Probably the most important Anarchist work, "What is Property" By PJ Proudhon is a refutation of the right to private property and therefore interest and therefore the institution of banking.

Peter Kropotkin wrote about the Rothschilds in his book, The Conquest of Bread, pretty much before anybody else was writing about them.

Proudhon, I forgot to mention, was a rabid anti semite, as was other founding anarchist Michael Bakunin

>mfw randomly googling 1 of those, and finding out it all ended with constantly removing their "leaders" because they had some minor dissident opinions and then some - surprise! - murders.

thanks for proving my point user. Much apreciated.
Now, off to the gulag!

their anti semitism stemmed however not from racial difference but from the Jews supposed control over capitalism

He didn't. He named totalitarian faggots.
He named guys like Trump / Bannon.

I can't help but see the book as a story about love and betrayal.

The whole totalitarian state thing, to me, seems like it's merely a setting that the story needed to work the way it does.

>REVOLUTIONARY CATALONIA
Slaughtering nuns and other churches and even burning them, was hanging its own allies like catalan nationalists from Generalitat de Catalunya
>REVOLUTIONARY CATALONIA
Literally can be killed for just being a kurdish nationalist and not a commie faggot
>THE UKRAINIAN FREE TERRITORY
Killing you opposition and then being betrayed by a graceful Lenin kike

fucking wew.

Do you remember the ending?

I thought it was a retarded ending for years, but couldn't place it. Now I know why. People don't work like that. There are just some things you can't unlearn. And that ending solidifies the feeling that it's inevitable, that you can't even trust yourself. Bull. Shit.

lying commie scum. at least it helped me understand communism a little better as a wee-lad, but I never connected the dots to see what it was really doing. sneaky bastard

Sorry man and when to pick your battles
what do you honestly know of
By living in one of the biggest police state countries in the world

Care to be more specific, doesn't sound like any one of these?

Huxley was Anarcho-Communist in the same way Noam Chomsky is. As an intellectual position, crafted-for-Academia, not as a political activist. And that's useful for those trying to spread Cultural Marxism amongst intellectuals.

He evidently opposed the eugenicist and mass-controlling views of his family and social circle. That's why he wrote Brave New World, as both a description of their plan... and a warning for the intelligent reader.

His Berkeley speech is chilling (one year later, he died under a heavy dose of LSD, btw):

youtube.com/watch?v=2WaUkZXKA30

>black letters
>red background
>bottom is gold
What did they mean by this?

I don't think you have the right to point that out, either.

see

>Just realized
Wew lad. It couldn't be more obvious from the first goddamn chapter that Orwell was a radically pro-refugee faggot communist.

>Slaughtering nuns and other churches and even burning them,

the same "churches" that allow and even encourage usury and opulence for the rich while the poor people of god live in squalor?

These are no churches.

>Literally can be killed for just being a kurdish nationalist and not a commie faggot

They are currently fighting ISIS, are you an Islamist?

>Killing you opposition and then being betrayed by a graceful Lenin kike

you mean, liberating your population and then being betrayed by your own allies?

...

Quote from the Revolutionary Catalonia Wiki page (en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_Catalonia):
"In Barcelona, the CNT collectivized the sale of fish and eggs, slaughterhouses, milk processing and the fruit and vegetable markets, suppressing all dealers and sellers that were not part of the collective."

Suppressing people doesn't sound very anarchistic or social to me...

It's like saying that believing in universal health care makes you a good commie. No good commie ever helped anyone's health. Orwell was a paleo-socialist

the point is, these people weren't "naming the jew" they were naming capitalism.

You can try and connect them to your big globalist conspiracy theory if you want, the fact is the conspiracy you look for is right in front of you, it is the system of capitalism and the police state aparatus that keeps it in place

Said the Frenchman oh the Germans are here we love you America help us

This, he got burn because of that and hated Stalin forever you all dipshits. Learn history.

no average person is capable of distinguishing the two. 1984 being evil means socialism is evil for most people. don't be autistic

I see what you did there, hon hon hon.

In the midst of a civil war they carved out their territory. Many small landholders were allowed to keep their private patch, large landholds were collectivised. In doing this they increase agricultural yields by 30-50% depending on sources.

Discussion of whether it was anarchism or not is a different debate. Fact is life got much better there for most people, while democratic input into the collectives was radically increased, so in reality you had much more control over your work than before, and you gained much more from it.

>Anti Authoritarian
>Not realizing that "le true communism" is "anarchist"
Wew lad. You are some kinda gullible.

Oh, but I agree with you. It so happens that the scientific-capitalist-military dystopian overlords are who they are and have the ethnicity and history they have.

Modern Global Capitalism, the control of nations through corporations, PR propaganda and military is very much a banking elite ideology, as much as Cultural Marxism is.

yeh well for a lot of people Hillary was a good candidate that doesn't make it correct.

There is a distinct and real historical difference between libertarian socialism and Marxist Leninism (essentially, Stalinism) and its offshoots

Yes I can agree that Stalin was an idiot
But good God Putin he can at least do fascism
Don't send the report to the gulag

how fix? marxism will fuck us up eventually, in a lot of ways. Capitalism will bring about corporatism eventually.

Stalinism and leninism are the subjects of Animal Farm. 1984 is just meant to be a totalitarian shithole, not whatever brand of totalitarian shithole Sup Forums will say it is and argue over.

> mfw it wasn't even any of these
> holy kek, shilling for communism backfired yet again because socialism/communism literally can't exist without brutal authoritarian genocidal dictatorship

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA, I'm dying here user. Oh my fucking sides. Please stop

>please continue, haven't laughed like this in a while.

dude cultural Marxism is a meme, you realise the Frankfurt school actually wrote a lot about how capitalism has caused the degeneration of society, Adorno for example.

Easy to laugh when you are refusing to provide the information you "easily googled"

Name for me one capitalist society that didn't hold itself in place by an even more brutal and violent method?

Oh xD

Got to turn up the heat and toss up some spices

1984 is all about how bad communism is you stupid illiterate American, he called it 1984 because he just switched the last two numbers in 1948 which is when he was writing it as he was watching the USSR kicking off and all the horrible things they did to control their populace.

Also for a board that loves Jordon Peterson you sure are good at missing the hundreds of times he's said totalitarian Nationalism and Communism had the same methods and results.

Animal Farm is also blatantly about the evils of Communism.

THE ENDING IS MEANT TO BE A BAD ENDING BECAUSE THE VILLAINS (COMMUNISM) WIN, THATS WHAT MAKES IT A GOOD BOOK AND NOT JUST ANOTHER POWER FANTASY

If that's so, how come their solution was to destroy the family unit and promote sexual "liberation"?

Because that would restore our decency?

Face it faggot, the Frankfurt School is a commie cult for fucking retards.

Churches help the poor in general, encouraging usury and opulence might happen when you go to shitty (((Catholic))) churches, there's a reason protestantism came about.
>destroying churches
>community centres which connect hundreds of people within a community based on atleast one common point which transcends hobbies, job, age, education
>Spanish intellectuals
Maybe your allies saw through your bullshit and dropped you like trash?

I assume you've read all of the Frankfurt School to claim something like that

I am the Frankfurt School

>small landholders were allowed to keep their private patch
You mean to say this was neither socialism nor communism? Why would there be a need for private property? You said it yourself, collectivising large landholds increased yield. Were the Spanish retarded? There's absolutely no reason at all to not collectivise everything.

Muslims or jew make up your mind Churchill

I'm not really into the Frankfurt school, but you have to realise destroying the family unit doesn't literally mean destroying the nuclear family, it is waaaay more nuanced than that.

Also the Frankfurt school has almost nothing to do with communism, as you say, it was mostly cultural criticism, not economic.

It had more to do with freud than Marx also.


>spanish
>protestant

>protestants
>against usury in reality.

AHAHAHAHAH

Ingsoc standing for English Socialism, and the party saying prior to the revolution all the people were oppressed by the Capitalists, and Winston asking the oldest prole he could find what the Capitalists were like and whether they did wear top hats all make it pretty clear which idealogy the party had as it was gaining power. Even if it had long since devolved into just being in power for the sake of it.

>Name for me one capitalist society that didn't hold itself in place by an even more brutal and violent method?
Damn you are pathetic... Except for the nazis, no other country as ever engaged in mass detention and extermination of dissidents like every communist country did (and still does *cough* north-korea*cough*).
Even the christcucks in medieval times couldn't hold a candle to just Mao or Stalin...

And guess what the nazis were? Exactly... SOCIALISTS.

Is this your stand-up routine? It's breddy gud!

it isn't private property, its personal property. Private property would be if you charged somebody else to farm your patch. Anarchism allows for individual liberty among the collective.

read What is Property? By PJ Proudhon, there is a difference between personal and private property. Anarchism only seeks to abolish private, not personal property

First lesson of Frankfurt school is critical theory, and critical theory is top tier retard philosophy.

Anyone who gives a believer of critical theory any credit whatsoever is dumber than an inbred dog that eats paint chips.

Foucault did too, in his brilliant analysis of the structures of power. You have to realize it's all a false dialectic. There's no "capitalism vs. communism" war in the real world today. There's a global ideology: private elite corporations taking control of all nations through financial terrorism, brainwashing the masses through propaganda and authoritarianism and controlling the population through scientific means. They use whatever ideological meme that serves this purpose.

It just so happens that the "global mestizo multiculturalism", the collecting of absolute power through puppet "democratic" governments, the systematic undermining of nationalistic and Western values, and the deconstructing of basic human concepts like family and nation... it all works towards their global takeover. As does Wall Street capitalism.

They're different tools used for different purposes. Cultural Marxism is a meme, yes, and it's used to create SJW ideologies on the population that must be controlled. Corporate Capitalism is a different meme, used by the banking elite to gain power through creating unpayable debt for individuals and nations everywhere, and used for the funding of hardcore military campaigns where they're needed.

Uhuh, that might all be true and all, but you're saying it yourself. It cannot have been communist propaganda because all it teaches people is that socialism is bad, in the same way the media taught the people that Hillary was a good candidate. It need not be correct, but most people will follow it regardless. I don't see how Orwell's book is propaganda in favor of communism, rather I'd say it's against communism and socialism in general?

>capitalism has never, EVER, done ANY violence

>tyrone wuz a gud boi hi dindu nuffin yo

Hitler was a capitalist you faggot. He even said himself he pretended to be a socialist to get the workers on board with his shit. He protected private property, as paramount, he was a capitalist.

You are honestly totally illiterate

I'm not giving them credit, just it isn't a jewish plot to destroy the family

Why do you guys care about that shit. We won't change anything about it

Where did I mention Jews?

First post that's not retarded in this thread

America hasn't killed most of it's people or large minorities yet. Neither have any of the countries of West-Europe, however I'd be willing to call forced mass immigration a pretty brutal method. Capitalism might suppress communists, but atleast it doesn't have to kill it's labourers en masse

No it teaches that authoritarian socialism is bad, not all socialism, the majority of brands of socialism are not authoritarian. Historically though, the USSR crushed none authoritarian brands of socialism, like in UKRAINE and CATALONIA and Korea (not north korea, this was pre north Korea)

the "cultural marxism" meme is heavily tied up in anti semitic rhetoric wherever I see it. Half the memes are full of it, if you didn't mean that fair enough but the relationship is strong IMO

It's a warning against communists.

This

I haven't even read 1984 and even I know it's communist propaganda

Yes and God Save the Queen for you Royal scam

FYI /leftyautists/ are raiding this thread.