Please tell me where I'm wrong

The fact that people with higher levels of education tend to be more liberal is an indicator that conservative voters' (who tend to be less educated) views lack validity and may be based off of ill-conceived preconceptions of the way the world works.

It is a fact that people who receive a bachelor's or higher tend to be more liberal than those who don't. College teaches people to think critically and logically and question things at first glance.

A lot of conservative views tend to be based off of gut-instinct rather than a logical evaluation of how a policy will affect the average American. For example, lowering taxes might sound good because it'll save the average American a little bit more money, but it'll cut budgets hugely for federal programs like educational grants, NASA, Medicare/Medicaid since the rich will save a ton of money. Same with border issues and illegal immigration - people claim that illegal immigrants take jobs from hard working Americans, but these illegals pick up the jobs that no one wants. If anything, they are important.

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thinking is hard

Have you seen the shit that passes for "educated" lately?

NASA is cool but it's not an essential service. Medicare and Medicaid are only around because anyone that opposed it would never be re-elected.

Nah, you're just too quick to make assumptions about something you have little understanding of. It's to be expected, though, since liberals typically stop after scratching the mere surface of any subject.
youtube.com/watch?v=ODZ-RUufHgI

people with stem degrees should get 2 votes
people with liberal arts degrees should get -1 votes.

If liberals are so smart why are they always going into debt to get useless degrees?

If you'll notice, people who make an income above that of "welfare collector" universally tend to vote more conservative. Who seems smarter, the guy who got a fancy degree and then moved back in with mommy and maybe gets a Starbucks job, or the guy that skipped college to start his own business and is making a slow but steady profit while working his own hours?

The reason that higher levels of education correspond with more liberalism is that the left spent decades taking over the universities. Now if you want to get along and get decent grades and maybe go to graduate school you had better get along with the program and be a lefty. This is the big challenge for the new era. How to purge the leftists from the universities? They are entrenched with tenure and impossible to get rid of short of shutting down the universities or entire departments and starting all over again, hiring only decent people who are not anti-american lefty lesbo kikes.

Nah it's indoctrination and these " le so smart people" are just 20 year old nerds that have always avoided confrontation so they just take whatever propaganda (liberalism) is being pumped into their ass and they turn into loyal Dem zombies for the rest of their life.

Source: Pharma Post-Grad and not retarded aka Red af

it means that colleges are social libtard holes teaching you minds how to be marxist and get a student debt like a good goy in turn of a 18$ an hour job.
>you wont accept niggers in your school on black privilege allone unless you are a leftard.

Then why are liberal politics so stupid if they are so much smarter than us. And why am I going to one of the best schools in Berlin.

My dad has bachelor's and masters. Soon he will have PhD, and he voted for Trump

Colleges do not teach you how to think they teach you what to think and out of every college educated liberal I've argued with I've noticed they're extremely apt at parroting factoids and statistics that they think makes their argument air tight but someone with an iq higher than 115 can easily poke holes in and run circles around and then they get butt hurt because they realize deep down that they aren't onto anything novel

As for the jobs, don't be stupid. Jobs that require no skills are meant for robots not Mexicans. You think you're getting cheap labor, but what you get are Mexican families on welfare, food stamps, with sons in prison, drugs, rape and the whole nine yards. Higher taxes to pay for their anchor babies too. It's a package deal, you faggot cuck.

Proverbs 26:12: Do you see a man wise in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.

College student liberal checking in. You're begging the question. Your theory relies on assuming that college is for smart people to begin with.

You're not necessarily wrong, but this "Liberals go to college more, college is for smart people, so Liberals are smarter" argument is reaaaalllly weak. For instance: It could just be that liberal people tend to place higher value in white collar jobs. That doesn't make us "smarter" in the way you want it to.

Stop trying to pain the opposite side as dumber than you, on average or across the board. We've got tards too.

>A lot of conservative views tend to be based off of gut-instinct rather than a logical evaluation of how a policy will affect the average American. For example, lowering taxes might sound good because it'll save the average American a little bit more money, but it'll cut budgets hugely for federal programs like educational grants, NASA, Medicare/Medicaid since the rich will save a ton of money. Same with border issues and illegal immigration - people claim that illegal immigrants take jobs from hard working Americans, but these illegals pick up the jobs that no one wants. If anything, they are important.
Yeah, but big government bad! Big bad! Me vote republican, blacks scary, Trump good! Fuck off shill, you fake news me real news! College jew myth, fuck you! Who's dumb now OP!

Higher education , shill ? are you refering to your mother whore house ? Thats a great place for education, you seem yo learned all the techniques of the job, fucking whore.

> people who spend time being indocrinated by (((them))) and not smarter...just more brainwashed.

THE counter-argument in a nutshell. OP argument is beyond weak.

"The apes are out" Well yeah, just look at that mob of them.

>more educated
in what? most liberal faggots live in an echo chamber and can't change a tire.

Except that Republicans make more money than democrats. Woops, blows a hole in your narrative there.

>DUDE LE RIGHT WINGERS JUST NASCAR AND FAUX NEWS????

nigger faggot, I've read more books on politics than 100% of my classmates (poli sci major yea yea im going to law school)

The problem with universities is that they are state funded. Obviously, they'll want leftists teaching kids to advocate for even more state funding so they make more money. Solution is to end federal student aid, which would cause massive layoffs, massive butthurt, etc. Probably will never happen.

This

All my college friends are in debt up to their eyes and all my working class friends and business owner friends all work their own hours, and enjoy their jobs. Its rather sad what college has turned into. STEM field is a good choice, if you want to do that, but everything else is a debt trap.

>College teaches people to think critically and logically and question things at first glance.

The funny thing is this is literally the opposite now. hence the rise of safe spaces

Your not wrong, Sup Forumstards are pretty emotional, gut-reacting, unempathetical sociopathic people for the most part.

Republicans make more money than Democrats on average. This is fact. Your degrees in Communism and subversion mean jack shit outside of your academic hugbox.

yea, it's really smart to rack up 6 figures of debt to get a useless piece of paper and Marxist reprogramming.

What? I was told that the Republicans were the "Elite" and only for the rich? Did the left drop that narrative?

You know (((psychology))) is counted as stem right?

Don't look at how they vote on policy, look at what they do for themselves when they suffer a chance of being affected by said policy.

>NYC liberals including Samantha Bee opposed school integration program
>Lawmakers who voted for Obamacare also made sure to exempt themselves
>Open borders advocate Mark Zuck buys up all the land around his residence, forces natives to move away. Also builds fence around property.

So on a so forth. They're "liberal" right up to until they have to live under the same rule as everyone else.

>A lot of conservative views tend to be based off of gut-instinct
>based off of gut-instinct
>gut instinct

Graduated from UCSD and very right wing. None of my liberal peers had jobs lined up after graduation. Maybe because they are cucks that are easily outcompeted.

THIS

Educated whites voted more Trump, that is what matters

>hurr trump is big and strong therefore he will keep us safe
Literally the central fixture of conservative thought at the moment.

>Tell me where I'm wrong
>The fact that people with higher levels of education tend to be more liberal is an indicator that conservative voters' (who tend to be less educated) views lack validity

You are wrong in thinking the cause of this. The cause of liberalism in "highly educated" individuals is that academia is a politicized group of Liberals at all top schools, as manipulated and intended by Communists during the Cold War.

(Checked)

Quads confirm.

>educated
How many global warming scientist have to get saved crashing into ice sheets and die doing stupid shit, because "higher education" never taught them common sense.

sort of, it comes and it goes.

blacks are some of the most uneducated people in America behind like Native Americans but its only redneck cousin fucker white trash country bumpkins that are uneducated enough to vote for drumpfhejhgf

>College teaches people to think critically and logically and question things at first glance.

"In yet another broken promise, President Donald Trump appears to be walking back his campaign rhetoric on the North American Free Trade Agreement, or NAFTA—preparing to deliver what one critic described as “a punch in the face” to those who trusted Trump to make the trade deal better for working people.

According to the Wall Street Journal on Thursday, a draft proposal being circulated in Congress by the U.S. trade representative’s office “would keep some of NAFTA’s most controversial provisions, including an arbitration panel that lets investors in the three nations circumvent local courts to resolve civil claims.”"

You're wetting in that you've validated nothing. Your whole rant has zero proof. I know people with sociology degrees, who are working landscaping. Anthropology degrees, and retail management. That's not smart. Those people went to college, pulled fantastic loans and are only fit for retail positions.

That's not smart, at all. You're obviously trying to convince yourself, and your arguments are all based on feelings. No logic in your post whatsoever.

Good luck OP, the real world is going to eat you up.

>We don't need thinkers, writers, philosophers, or statesmen.

This is what Americans actually believe in 2017. Ben Franklin would hate us. A liberal arts education has value if used to express ideas. Liberal arts teaches you how to discern, how to communicate. STEM helps you know what the facts are so when you do communicate, you're doing so from the same pool of information the rest of us use.

Are you sure this had nothing to do with Hillary's defeat? Goes to show you still can't figure out why you lost.

>tfw had to take a "critical thinking and analytics" course, Argumentation and Rhetoric
>half white/mexican 35 year old woman teacher spent the first 15 minutes of class bashing white men saying we rape more and "white boys dont usually pass my class"
>drop class and take another teacher

And liberal politics are shit and conservative politics work, let's you think.

The men did. Only 45% of college educated women voters went for Trump

No. Republicans are sitting around in their trailers when they aren't on their yachts.

If you are not a liberal when you are young, then you have no heart.

if you are not a republican when you are old, then you have no brain.

>Get a life time debt
>Pick a meme degree
>No job
I'M EDUCATED

when will that orangutan die?

>going to college means you are more intelligent

when will this meme die?

So, the actual intelligent people still voted Trump.

...

>piss Christ is intellectual

>College teaches people to think critically
Ever been to one? It's an indoctrination camp. They're more focused on making you only think one way and ignore all other viewpoints.

>I am smart
>therefore everyone that agrees with me is dumb
>because I am smart
>this is evidenced by how dumb everyone else is
>they are dumb because I am smart
What the fuck is going on with this board today? Is it because of April 1st?

Hello wise and intelligent liberal. Have you bought a house yet? Have you paid off your student loans? If not, how old will you be when you do?

This has more to do with poorer uneducated people living with the unfortunate results of liberal policies and more wealthy educated people being more removed in society from the negative sides of their own policy. In regards to social policy I mean.

Yes, that being the "uneducated"
Predictably, less college educated white men voted Trump than uneducated white men.

Intelligent people don't go to college these days. Total scam

>College teaches people to think critically and logically and question things at first glance.

Wrong. The education system is tnothing else but a marxist camp who lets people pay to become marxists.

And then (((they))) have the disgusting brazenness to say "intelligent people" tend to be left wing. Its all a fucking scam.

The educated have a liberal bias.
Small businesses have a libertarian bias.
Large corporations have Republican/Democratic views depending on their industry.

If you wanna be rich, adopt Libertarian views until you are big enough to buy lobbyists&congressmen.

We just interviewed some beta fag yesterday at my firm who's graduating college soon. He put "social justice" as a skill on his resume. We are going to ignore because my redpilled boss doesn't want any lawsuits.

140 IQ master's in CS here,

And right wing. A lot of gut instinct stuff is correct. Like...

>Put a bunch of people with conflicting cultures and expect them to get along, not gonna fucking happen.
>IQ is not distributed equally among different races
>Huge social programs WILL make people lazy and will basically enslave the skilled to the weak, poor and stupid
>Americans don't want manual labor? Bullshit, remove the availibility of slave labor from immigrants and they will be picked up

Could go on and on user

Also, the "muh left wing more educated" argument is invalid because in universities, just like schools you are like children. Even if you're a PhD student or professor for that matter, you get shit taken care of by HR, everything is nice and stable and it still feels similar to when you were a kid in school. Kids are naturally leftist, a lot of really bright scientists are leftists because they are pampered at the universities and all they do is mental arcane work in an ivory tower.

Global warming is a big one pulling scientists (including some STEM) towards the left. There is a huge mass of papers supporting global warming, but from having read papers, the process is flawed and you can be selective about your sources and focus so you can produce papers both for and against global warming. A lot of them come out of school bluepilled and just remain it the rest of their lives.

First of all you're going with the WILD assumption that having a higher education in America equals to having a superior intellect.
I find hard to believe someone with a random humanistic science degree is some kind of talent, let alone superior to the average.
Second thing, even if your assumption was true, you cannot represent the needs and the opinion of a country based on the "intellectual" majority, the dumb dumbs who assemble your cars and clean your toilets are as much part of your society as your white collar employees, to disregard their different viewpoints as something born out of ignorance and misinformation shows that you're just as blind.
Especially if you consider how most educational institutions in America are shameless indoctrination centers for liberal values while at the same time demonizers of conservative ones.

tl;dr:
nice strawman faggot

>liberal policies
the liberuls did this to me.

>the dumb dumbs who assemble your cars and clean your toilets are as much part of your society as your white collar employees
At least half of those people are black or mexican desu.

>Only 45% of college educated women voters went for Trump
>A group of individuals that are heavily susceptible to group-think influences and social acceptance based on those factors voted en masse for my candidate.
>I forgot to link sources

There's not even an attempt at an argument here, other than women vote based on peer pressure where men tend to vote whatever the fuck they think is right.

Pic related. This entire thread is shit.

>The fact that people with higher levels of education tend to be more liberal is an indicator that conservative voters' (who tend to be less educated) views lack validity and may be based off of ill-conceived preconceptions of the way the world works.
Lol. No. Pic related.
Essay related.
archive.is/dBehg
Also, the average trump supporter makes more money.
fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-mythology-of-trumps-working-class-support/
"The median household income of a Trump voter so far in the primaries is about $72,000, based on estimates derived from exit polls and Census Bureau data. That’s lower than the $91,000 median for Kasich voters. But it’s well above the national median household income of about $56,000. It’s also higher than the median income for Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders supporters, which is around $61,000 for both."

Also, Trump got the majority white vote, while Clinton got the majority of hispanics and blakcs, who have average lower iq and income. Also, she get majority female, who are on average a bit dumber then men. He get the majority of male voters, who makes most money.
theglobeandmail.com/news/world/us-politics/the-average-trump-supporter-is-not-an-economic-loser/article32746323/
"A large-scale study published on Nov. 2 by two researchers from Gallup – Jonathan Rothwell and Pablo Diego-Rosell – analyzed 125,000 U.S. voters and found that Mr. Trump’s supporters do not fit the candidate’s narrative.

They found that voters with favourable views of Mr. Trump are indeed less educated and typically blue-collar. But the study confirmed that they have higher-than-average incomes and found that they are “no more likely to be unemployed or exposed to competition through trade or immigration” than average Americans or Clinton backers."

As a person who finished his phd and is now teaching students I can assure you that you are fucking retarded. University does not teach them any kind of critical thinking except the one relevant for their subject.

What universities and higher education are today is nothing more than indictrination centers for liberal/socialist ideas and most of the time, the people with the high IQ subjects, i.e. maths, physics, chemistry, engineering etc... have the least amount of understanding which described human behaviour, i.e. psychology and so on. Yet, the people who learn psychology and politics and so on are usually to low IQ compared to the STEM fields that they can't explain shit in regards to how humans actually work. They are all sitting in their hugbox not able to connect the dots on how everything is interconnected, i.e. the psychologist only explains everything with psychology (you get what I mean).

The more I have to deal with higher educated people the more I get the feeling that their world view is based around an ivory tower which only consists of other high IQ people and they are not even able to comprehend simple things like tribalism.

Left wingers are never able to back up and support their arguments when confronted. All you can do is scream racist and whatever flavor of the month term you're using

Only because the homo superiors liberals refuse to have any sort of ID during the elections.
Also you're bringing race in an IQ discussion.

the most educated people in the west were communists a few generations ago

Just let that sink in

Trump voters make significantly more money than leftists.

If leftists had knowledge that actually applied to the real world, wouldn't it be the opposite?

You're not going to get good answers here. Sup Forums is composed of a lot of young and inexperienced people, who are content with a surface level evaluation of issues.

Inb4 "school is indoctrination". What school (and college) are strongly depends on yourself. If you're simple-minded to begin with, you're not going to get much out of school.

FUCKING RICH PEOPLE

Cmon dude. Trump is probably the least popular president in history. He only won by going against the worst candidate of all time, and even then she still won the popular vote.

>The fact that people with higher levels of education tend to be more liberal is an indicator that conservative voters' (who tend to be less educated) views lack validity and may be based off of ill-conceived preconceptions of the way the world works.


Here is where you're wrong. Universities are primarily liberal places not because of some enlightenment, but because of historical and political reasons.

Especially if you've been to the Humanities Institutes, you'll notice the average academic production of students and professors is barely third world level, even in advanced countries, yet you're supposed to take them as enlightened intellectuals.

I think it's a lot easier to separate it in rural vs urban, rather than educated vs non educated.

Rural families can exist on their own, subsisting with their own things. Urban families depend on rural families, but pretend they don't, and put themselves on a moral high horse that just doesn't compute.

hillary sold uranium to russia

What do you do for a living?
What college did you attend?

If you're more intelligent than me you should be outperforming me.

>A liberal arts education has value if used to express ideas.
ppl taking liberal arts are to stupid to have ideas.

Look at this naked appeal to the lower class and then an equally naked contempt for the lower class. Trump voters, everyone.

When will this commie traitor fuck off and die
He can take McCain with him too

What in the fuck are you smoking ? Can I have some ?

Bernie didn't even pay his fair share in taxes

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To cite average education levels as evidence of Left-wing "rightness" is to commit no less than two logical fallacies: Begging the question, and argument from authority.

One at a time:

>Begging the question

You're effectively saying, "People who go through training at institutions controlled by Left-wingers tend to be more Left-wing, therefore the Left is right." The premise that the Left-wingers running those institutions, and therefore the academics they're training, are somehow right is built right into the question of, "Which side has more degrees?"

>Argument from authority

Another layer down from the question-begging is the assumption that, because they're running the universities, the Lefties have authority that we should simply take for granted. It's assumed to be reasonable to ask, "Who has more degrees?" because it's taken for granted that these institutional authorities are correct about politics. This is extremely fallacious.

So, there. That's precisely where you're making assumptions rather than reasoning, and where you are wrong.

More and more difficult questions about just how much the "education" that most students get out of these overpriced institutions is actually worth are being asked all the time. You are not at liberty to take their authority for granted; it is very much up for debate, and therefore cannot be leaned on to just assume the Right is wrong.

t. bourgeois

For once, McCain said something I'd agree with, lately, that Trump needs to stop fucking attacking the Freedom Caucus like a retard

yahoo.com/news/trump-takes-aim-republican-conservatives-must-fight-them-132232166--business.html

>Senator John McCain, who ran for president in 2008 and was defeated by Obama, said that if he were sitting in the White House now, he would try to ease intraparty tensions rather than stoking them.

>"But that's the president," said McCain who sometimes is at odds with Trump. He added this advice to Trump: "Sit down with them and say this is an emergency situation."

1) The highest rates of "liberality" are found in the disciplines that require less intelligence and less rational sense : sociology, literature, psychology, etc.
2) If you look at history, many great men were far right and highly racist : the founder of modern logic G. Frege, the greatest philosopher of the 20th century Heidegger, etc.
3) Since the end of WW2, intellectuals have been leftists because of freedom of speech shut down. I'm pretty sure it'll change, and it's already changing.

This argument doesn't work because the level of education you are using as a metric is not uniform. The vast majority of claimed "educated" people are actually low tier like 4 year degrees and those degrees are in shit tier areas like fine arts.

The majority of people you say are stupid are the ones with actual experience with the real physical observable world and thus intrinsically have a better standing.

Anecdote: phd in large data analytics and genetics, all my peers are red pulled even the females, all our shit students are blue pulled trash.

Bait

More educated =/= more intelligent

You can be framed in the education of a dogma far more than anyone and still be as dumb as a bag of hammers to the world. Your college degree is not an indicator of intellect, it's an indicator of passing a certification.

Can you make a coherent point please, Justin?

How the fuck are you fags not aware of genetics intellectual potential and the effects environment, nutrition it takes to reach the max genetic ability.

This. OP is overestimating what 'educated' means, and also operating under the false assumption that the same knowledge (plus much more) can't be obtained without going through a formal degree program. We have a wealth of information right at our fingertips, we can read anything, learn anything, essentially for free as long as we have an internet connection. There are people who go through formal education who don't bother to do that, and people who don't go through as much formal education who do bother to do that, and I think we have a lot of them here on Sup Forums.

>thinking we need medicare and medicaid

hospitals have financial aid

and old people. fuck em

seriously fuck them

if you aren't producing anything of value to the economy you deserve a death panel

i'm pissed that death panels arent a thing

unless you served in the services, if you get sick, fuck off, you're on your own

>disabled people from stroke

you deserve to die,

The only non-STEM degree with a good ROI is accounting. Everything else, you're looking at like $35,000/yr, and at least where I live, jobs that pay that salary are obtainable without a college degree, as long as you are reasonably smart/have reasonable common sense, & basic computer skills.