Thomas Sowell totally destroys the claim that IQ is genetically related to race

youtube.com/watch?v=TEBPCOG5RHs&t=269s

Watch the first 15 minute of this interview with Thomas Sowell and William F. Buckley. In it, Sowell -- a high IQ black man -- completely refutes every piece of evidence regularly cited by race realist to claim that the genes behind race determines a groups average IQ.

Now, I know Sup Forums hates hearing facts that conflicts with their own world views and some of the stormfag crowd will dismiss this without even hearing Sowell's argument, but, none of that will change the truth from being truth, just remember that.

Other urls found in this thread:

iq-research.info/en/page/average-iq-by-country
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Transracial_Adoption_Study#Results
telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/12061787/Intelligence-genes-discovered-by-scientists.html
nature.com/mp/journal/v16/n10/abs/mp201185a.html
sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289608000305
jbhe.com/features/49_college_admissions-test.html
psycnet.apa.org/psycinfo/1977-07996-001
sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0191886912003741
udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/reprints/1997mainstream.pdf
wsj.com/articles/SB115040765329081636
articles.latimes.com/2011/aug/10/news/la-heb-genetic-study-intelligence-20110809
psychology.uwo.ca/faculty/rushtonpdfs/PPPL1.pdf
sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289615001221
ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2015/crime-in-the-u.s.-2015/tables/table-43
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Transracial_Adoption_Study
twitter.com/NSFWRedditImage

He may have felt right at the time, but a lot of scientific advancement has happened since then.

eg: sequencing the genome

OMG Sup Forums btfo how will we evar recover?

Who is James Watson subhuman coon?

Oooh-kay David, that's enough red pills for now.

Give a quick rundown?

there is no such thing as race

btw blacks are equal

fucking based black guy

He's still correct today. Nothing much has changed, mostly because race research is now taboo, during the time of this interview it was normal to talk about IQ, even on TV, which this video is an example of.

He is right. Anglo wants to put Russians in the same position, as niggers are put in USA. They advertise criminal behaviour, they give us worthless education, they destroy any Russian business. To illustrate - there are 2 semi-decent Russian cuisine restaurants in the whole fucking capital.

But the current state is so, that we are still smart.
And niggers are still dumb.

>IQ
Who cares about that deprecated metric? The 21st century will be defined by high Autism Quotients

Goddamnit Aussie, you broke my sides again.

Nice try, baboon. Fuck you.

This. I have respect for Thomas Sowell, but there is a clear pattern of behavior here. And I don't want to be apart of this multicultural diversity experiment anymore.

It isn't even just about intelligence, it's the self evident truth that all people deep down are ethnocentric towards the people they are most similar with.

>ducked debating J. P. Rushton for years until Rushton died

easy to win every debate you participate in if you're super selective in who you debate. It's like saying Floyd Mayweather is the greatest boxer because he's 49-0 when he ducks everyone he thinks can beat him.

TPBP

This forum is the modern equivalent of inbreeding, Lord have mercy!

This is what he believes actually.

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a lot has changed in science since this interview user

this is literally a forum, retard

The only specific thing they talk about is twins being raised in different circumstances achieving roughly the same in life
Sowell basically says he doesn't believe the studies done on it
No more than 5 minutes later he says that people from certain regions behave very similarly no matter where they live in the world

Isnt it an imageboard?

I would tell you to get back to the kitchen, but as you're a burger I'll presume your computer's set up next to your fridge.

>An imageboard or image board is a type of Internet forum which operates mostly via posting images.

Except groups like Arabs are, on average, dumber than a box of shit, and this is at least partially biological.

iq-research.info/en/page/average-iq-by-country

Pic related is a map of how common the marrying of relatives is, and most of the inbreeding in the MENA is to 1st cousins. They've been doing this for centuries because 1) Muhammed and 2) it keeps power and resources within the family. It also leads to an average of a 15 point IQ drop. They've cucked their gene pool by fucking their cousins.

ok, so what is their excuse then?

lack of white people
woops, let me find the liberal answer.... huh, still white people's fault.

forced diversity yes

are u well?

Something something it was the white mans fault

>inbreeding

I'm not aware of any challenge issued to Sowell by Rushton but if they did debate, Sowell would annihilate him. For fuck sake, Rushton believed dick size correlated with IQ, he was pure pseudo science.

Now, i'm aware that Sowell and Arthur Jensen were suppose to debate at some point but it never materialized. Later on, Thomas Sowell's research backers told him to stop doing anymore research on IQ so he backed off the subject to focus on his other projects, but, he was never afraid to debate anyone on the topic, or did he evade ppl like Rushton.

>When I first read Arthur Jensen’s landmark article, back in 1969, I was struck by his careful and painstaking analysis of a wide range of complex data. It impressed me but did not convince me. What it did was cause me to dig up more data on my own.

>A few years later, I headed a research project that, among other things, collected tens of thousands of past and present IQ scores from a wide range of racial and ethnic groups at schools across the United States. Despite serious limitations in these data, due to constraints of time and circumstances, these data nevertheless threw some additional light on the subject.

>A feature article of mine in the Sunday New York Times Magazine of March 27, 1977, pointed out that any number of white groups, here and overseas, had at some point in time had IQs similar to, and in some cases lower than, the IQs of black Americans. During the First World War, for example, white soldiers from some Southern states scored lower on army mental tests than black soldiers from some Northern states.

>Professor Jensen read this article and came over to Stanford University to meet with me and discuss the data. That is what a scholar should do when challenged.

wrong its a Taiwanese basket weaving hobbyist site

As far as modern research goes, there definitely seems to be a link.
Sup Forumstards choose to confirmation bias all information though. IQ to this board, is like the lifeblood of their hatred of other races. Even though science and research continuously tells us that to excel and perform well academically, one need only TRY. It's effort over natural intelligence.
There's no study or scientific consensus claiming that success relies fully or even mostly on IQ. And if IQ is so intelligent, Sup Forums should probably condemn many of their friends, family, and probably themselves, and I shouldn't need to explain why.

If IQ is so important*

that's a front for our midget opiate harvesting planning site.

All the studies and common sense observations say otherwise

the first fact he states is wrong
blacks adopted into white families still have substantially lower average iq. Hes literally just lying to you and you believe him because a jew run university calls him distinguished.

Didn't whities create the IQ test?

They make their own standardized tests for their own standardized minds, lol!!! So adorable....

"necessity is the mother of invention"
Africa never needed a catalyst for industry or technology, it had no threat in resource or climate. It is in terms of natural produce the richest continent on earth. Its roots are agrarian. Fast forward, you bring colonial modernist who are at a different stage of development and the result is a disastrous amalgamation. They leave the indigenous people with something that was unnaturally implemented, this is the result. Again im not saying they would have had problem free lives without outsiders but it would have been territoriality a self sustained continent, going at its own pace. You are special my friend!

Asians and jews do better on this white mans test

who are you lmao

His data from the 70s, so keep that in mind. Also, his data isn't that far off from the current day data, blacks adopted by white families score in the 90s on IQ test. Imo, this doesn't necessarily negate his data though since cultural constraints for adopted blacks in the mid 1900s is completely different from today. A black kid adopted by white parents back then didn't have ghetto black culture being promoted as the authentic black culture like it has been since the creation of hip-hop.

Why can't 6 year old Kenyans pass cognitive tests that monkeys can?

>For fuck sake, Rushton believed dick size correlated with IQ, he was pure pseudo science.

Maybe if you actually read the context of that rather than simply scream wow just wow" it would make sense. Rushton takes Wilson's r/K hypothesis and adapts it to the human races, in doing so he demonstrates show far more r-type characteristics than whites and Asians, who are more k-selected. Blacks mature earlier, have higher sex drive, have sex younger, reproduce younger, and this is biological, as shown by their higher testosterone levels, and more prominent secondary sexual characteristics. Also inherent to this r-selected type is that they will have lower IQs, because r-selection is associated with resource abundance, and there is no need to plan ahead, hence lower average IQ. That is the "haha he thinks penis and labia size correlate to IQ what a moron" part of his research. Also, it's an *inverse* correlation, pretty imortant to mention that (although if we're talking size of birth canal rather than labia, then it is a straight correlation - Asian females actually have larger vaginas than blacks, but much smaller labias, hence appear "tighter". Fun fact)

Probably because they have the best genes to mimic other peoples accomplishments

>Civilization is natural for non-africans.

Wow that really baked my noodles.

das raysis

>these mental gymnastics

The true redpill is realizing that everyone on this fucking board is way more guilty of suppressing information that doesn't conform to their worldview than the MSM could ever achieve. Anyone who's new here, get the fuck out before you start to believe what these uneducated rebels are spewing.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Transracial_Adoption_Study#Results
>in the 90s
try 84

>these mental gymnastics

reddit

space

This, twin studies have overwhelmingly proved the genetic basis of IQ. Anyone denying this is using faulty evidence to crowd-please.

>Africa never needed a catalyst for industry or technology, it had no threat in resource or climate

Africans fight each other all the time. The claim is just ridiculous.

fucking google it
literally google "is iq genetic" and stop fooling yourself by taking some pseudointellectual position because you think it makes you a good person.

>a statistical outlier claims to be evidence that statistics don't actually mean anything at all

More like proving the point actually.

This is back when tv was uncucked

> r/K hypothesis and adapts it to the human races

kek, the fact that Sup Forums takes this seriously shows ya'lls iq

>Leaf

Wow, you literally didn't watch the video at all.

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this man is a nigger

>One man's educated opinion
>reams of data to the contrary
>I don't understand facts

huh. well we could compare IQ and GDP. Or IQ and invention. Or general IQ scores per nation. Or the fact that some demographics plateau at discrete points.

Same with crime. Some races BTFO other races every where you look, at every point in time. IE; Far East Asians vs Bantu Africans in central Africa.

IQ isn't everything anyways, so I don't know why this is so hard to admit. I know I'll never be the brightest bulb in the loftiest ivory towers, and there's a high chance my kids are going to fall around where I do.

I was about to post ">leaf" to explain away your lack of argument, then I realized that both Rushton and pic related are leafs, so I guess that doesn't really work.

But feel free to try and refute the hypothesis rather than just post those dank reaction emojis, kid.

And we feed them so that the dumb ones can fuck like bunnies and shit out kids so that we can feed even more of them. Cut off all aid, and I bet you'll see the average IQ in Africa go up in 5 years as the super-retards die off.

>Watch the first 15 minute of this interview with Thomas Sowell and William F. Buckley
>you didnt watch the entire video :^ )))

>libtards still unironically think evolution stops at the neck because a black actor told them so decades ago

Human intelligence up to 75% inheritable
telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/12061787/Intelligence-genes-discovered-by-scientists.html

Human intelligence is highly heritable.
nature.com/mp/journal/v16/n10/abs/mp201185a.html

Scientific consensus is that IQ tests are not racially biased.
sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289608000305

Very poor Whites are comparably intelligent to very wealthy blacks.
jbhe.com/features/49_college_admissions-test.html

Black children raised in White households have similar IQs to black children in black households.
psycnet.apa.org/psycinfo/1977-07996-001

The average African IQ is estimated at 79.
sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0191886912003741

The average African-American IQ is 85, compared to the average White IQ of 100.
udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/reprints/1997mainstream.pdf

The white-black gap in SAT scores, a proxy for IQ, is increasing.
jbhe.com/features/49_college_admissions-test.html

Genes for large brains, linked to high IQ, are common everywhere except Africa.
wsj.com/articles/SB115040765329081636

Intelligence has at least a 40-50% genetic basis.
articles.latimes.com/2011/aug/10/news/la-heb-genetic-study-intelligence-20110809

IQ scores are the best predictor of success in Western society.
psychology.uwo.ca/faculty/rushtonpdfs/PPPL1.pdf

IQ is 75% heritable among Whites.
psychology.uwo.ca/faculty/rushtonpdfs/PPPL1.pdf

France's IQ drops 4 points per decade because of African immigration
sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289615001221

But there isn't a clear pattern of behavior. That's what his research demonstrates quite clearly. You have anecdotal evidence only, and tenuous inferences from not-meaningful studies.

And IQ has no bearing on whether we should be largely ethnocentric or not. It's not a matter of intelligence. It's actually about maintaining diversity. Abandoning ethnicity and nationalism destroys diverse thought, which is dangerous for humanity. The more differences we have, the better, so long as they do not bring us to war. As multiple groups strive for survival from multiple perspectives, we will all get closer to the truth, but only so long as the core concepts each culture is built to protect are maintained.

that makes sense, so if they were to go to a diferent place they would not have turned out like that?

they did

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>As multiple groups strive for survival from multiple perspectives, we will all get closer to the truth

Now you know why anti-christians love multiculturalism.

>huh. well we could compare IQ and GDP. Or IQ and invention.

Stopped reading right here.

You fucking retard, at 3:50 Sowell explicitly claims that IQ matters, that it actually tells you something about the math and science skill of a group.

No he doesn't. I'm watching the beginning and you haven't paid attention to him.

He says that IQ is not "set in concrete" - and for this, he cites the fact that black children adopted by white families have an average IQ of 106 (compared to the national average of 100) - whereas among black kids as a whole, the average IQ is 85.

But he also says that different ethnicities tend to carry their qualities with them, wherever they go in the world. That is, they don't massively adapt to their new country - they aren't hugely shaped by their circumstances in their new country:

>The Germans in Australia specialise in very much the same kinds of occupations, and industries, and the same kinds of skills, with the same kinds of - quote - stereotypes - unquote - about them, as to their frugality, they're hard working, their honesty, they're law-abiding, et cetera.

So I think he would say it's a combination of nature and nurture.

I always find retards annoying, when you are challenging the popular belief of a site( either tumblr or Sup Forums) the only way to get anywhere it to provide proof. That falls to you, having someone from the 1970's talk isn't proof. And until you show studies and Facts you will continue to look retarded.

>But there isn't a clear pattern of behavior.
I'm done arguing with you people. You have your head so far up your collective asses I do not think I would ever be able to even begin to unwedge it.

I just choose not to deal with blacks anymore, or mestizos. You just cause problems for me. I don't hate you, but I don't want to associate with you either.

>But there isn't a clear pattern of behavior.
The amount of evidence is staggering. I don't know how you could choose to ignore it.

>all people deep down are ethnocentric towards the people they are most similar with
hence the need to keep repeating this over and over, right?

Yes, but the only way to avoid the whole "Le social inequalities" rational is to argue that intellegence is inheritable by race. Otherwise we have to deal with more of the same forced Marxist experiment of afirmative action and notions of "white privilege". Whether or not races inherit most of their intellegence or have it influenced by the environment, trying to raise up all other races like Blacks and Hispanics (who unlike Asians have proven time and time again to not improve with all the same civil rights) to the same level as Whites will only drag us all down. They have every resource at their disposal for success, but how can we say blacks "choose to fail" when race isn't an entity alone with free will but rather a biological construct? The implication of a race underperforming within the same circumstances or others is inferiority. I wish race were only skin deep, there wouldn't be so many issues if we were, but for one to say our largest organ (the skin) is influenced by the environment ALONE, is completely ridiculous.

All universities accept race plays a roll in IQ.

Which is why scores to enter universities are lower for blacks and Mexicans. Main reasons you are starting to see blacks in these places more is because of this action.

Yes, there is a clear pattern of behavior.

ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2015/crime-in-the-u.s.-2015/tables/table-43

Black crime rates exceed all other races in the US in just about everything except for DUI. If there is a genetic component to this, I guarantee that we are providing the incentive structure to pass it on with welfare, affirmative action and the war on drugs. You can argue that is just arrests and doesn't prove anything, but the number one predictor of a state's homicide rate is the percentage of the population that is black. For 2014, that correlation was around 0.79, and given the spike in inner city homicides, I expect the correlation to be even higher for 2015 and 2016.

Inner city blacks are violent animals.

Over and over? It only needs to be said once and people start to notice it themselves.

And it naturally happens. Don't you see all the twitter memes trying to make fun of whites for not putting spice on their food? Don't you see what is happening in the US today? Time and time again people will voluntarily choose to live with those that they are most similar towards. That includes many factors, culture, environment (harsh weather brings people together), religion, region, and yes even the big scary 'r' word, race.

Holy fuck what a dumb fucking nigger

At 3:25 this subhuman claims that black children raised by adopted white parents have an IQ of 106, but this is wrong. As you can see, children with two white biological parents when raised by white adoptive parents were the ones with IQs of 106 (indicated in blue). Children with two black biological parents and two white adoptive parents had IQs of 89 (indicated in red). Either this dumb nigger is too stupid to read the data or he's being deceitful (both typical nigger traits, I might add). In any case, the study HE cited disproves his argument, so he BTFO out of himself.

His arguments up til that point were pretty fucking dumb too, but there is no reason to discredit them at this point. No point listening to the rest of this crap either.

No, he doesn't get it. Diversity is our strength.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Transracial_Adoption_Study

This.

dropping the race aspect, does he agree that IQ does have a genetic component?

ARE YOU FUCKING RETARDED? THIS INTERVIEW OCCURRED BEFORE 1985!

>black children adopted by white families have an average IQ of 106

I think he might be referring to the early stages of the Minnesota Transracial Adoption Study, which, if this was filmed in the late 70s/early 80s would have shown those early results

What he didn't know at the time, and only came out as the children matured, was that average IQs actually declined over the period of the study, and by age 17 the average IQ of the children with 2 black biological parents was (I believe) something like 89. This is all consistent with the findings that IQs become more heritable, not less, as people get older.

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Are you Stupid?

that's his point!! that black children raised by white parents have higher than average IQ and the ones raised by black parents have less IQ.

So there is no ethnic factor in IQ.

You lack logic and reasoning. Yes crime rates are higher. That doesn't mean it is a 1) clear 2) pattern of 3) behavior. These are raw statistics, and you cannot simply draw such a vast conclusion from them. What is cause, what is effect? If you lack perspective, it certainly looks the way you want it to look. But given the complexity of human behavior and sociological development, there is not enough evidence to draw any full pattern. You are like the climate change hucksters, picking two things that correlate and implying a vast sum of knowledge that doesn't exist. You are data fitting.

Wrong.

118 by 7
and 106 by 17

>hence the need to keep repeating this over and over, right?

No, only to white people because other races understand it (which is why they all have their own countries, they all vote as ethnic blocs, they all have "caususes", communities, districts, and activist groups like Jewish groups, African groups, Hispanic groups, Arab, etc.)

It's only us that have suffered enough Judeo-Marxist brainwashing for the last decades to think letting your race die out, not recognizing racial differences and loyalty, or not supporting your racial interests is somehow a virtue, and doing the opposite is "racist" and "Nazi".

It's easy to have perspective and realize how insane the idea that all races are the same and evolved the same way through millions of years is, and how even more absurd it is that a lot of people were brainwashed to accept it.

he's like the top 1% nigger so he's on par with middle management whites i guess

>Don't you see all the twitter memes trying to make fun of whites for not putting spice on their food?
That's just the nature of banter. When you've decided that you want to insult someone, you don't insult their features that you also have, that would be retarded. That doesn't necessarily mean that you will automatically get along; you'll just try to find other things to insult.

In addition, insulting racial features doesn't mean that you *actually* hate that race, no matter what these macho Sup Forumslacks say. When a white guy is pissed off at a black guy, the white guy will make fun of that black guys big lips and wide nose just to get into that black guy's head. But when it comes to the nice old black receptionist lady at his office, he'll mysteriously stop caring about those things.

Go walk down the street in a South Chicago neighborhood by yourself, you dumb fuck. Better yet, move there. 13% of the population commits over 50% of the homicides.

IQ is nonsense. Every test that can't allegedly be studied for actually can.

Throw all Psychology in the trash no matter what

are you joking or telling "the truth that cannot be denied."