It is our time. The Hoppean Trips have shown themselves.
Chase Diaz
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Aiden Long
check'd
oh shit
Asher Carter
Which are the most liberal countries in the world? Which are the most liberal states in USA?
Ryder Cox
So in an ancap society, what prevents somebody from getting rich buying up a huge amount of land and starting their own country?
Jose Ward
anarchocapitalism is fucking retarded, it only replaces the government with autistic land owners, it's just as nonfree
Oliver Ortiz
land is the most expensive and important resource.
Zachary Phillips
What is free for you blone Diogenes
Nathaniel Bell
ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
Leo Lopez
"We must secure the existence of our private property and a future for free children." — HHH, 1588
Caleb Barnes
Blonde*
Jace Roberts
Implying this isn't what countries already are
Dylan Anderson
I dont know countries but the states i'd say New Hamshire is considered #1 in liberty.
Blake Martinez
Who would seek profit coming in a place where you were legally racketed ?
Luis Barnes
The most free market is probably Singapore or maybe Switzerland. Singapore is pretty authoritarian, though and I don't know about their gun rights, so on average I'd say Switzerland.
Chase Hall
the freest system is me ruling everything like i said, barring that, a minarchist system that rules almost nothing
Zachary Brooks
Because the racketeering would be lower than the other people having worse racketering.
Wow it's almost like in the modern world where people open their businesses in countries/states with lower tax rates. It's almost like there is no perceivable difference at all! WOW!
Easton Cook
no one cares about you though
Andrew Evans
So why should I care about your non-free anarcho-capitalist fantasy? It's like an autist playing pretend in his basement, your political system is retarded and offers me no benefits over a minarchist system, not even more freedom like you pretend it does.
Noah Miller
A minarchy will turn bigger, too, eventually. Hoppe libertarianism is nothing more than splitting up minarchies into more and more small entities until only small communities exist, in which only like minded people come together. Those can rule themselves however they like.
Tyler Long
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Angel Diaz
too long, didn't read
Jack Bell
In ancapistan there is to taxes,So No it would be costing higher for living in these countries
Ryan Bailey
Wow, that sounds almost as fluffy as communism. Again, tell me how submitting to an autist landowner gives me more liberties than submitting to a minarchist government? And explain to me what mechanics are in place to stop a governmetn from forming "eventually".
Cooper Scott
Kill yourself.
Jack Butler
Yeah, but what if Bill Gates or one of his friends wanted his own country? He'd easily be able to buy of shitloads of land somewhere and make his own government.
It doesn't necessarily have to be Bill Gates, it could be anybody on this list. And it's 100% voluntary. Nobody is forced to live there. Anybody who wants to leave can do so without issue. Would that be a problem under ancap?
Jace Long
>in my fantasy hivemind ancapistan no autistic landowner would ever charge people for running a business on his property
this is what you sound like
Noah Allen
Wrong You are my property
Liam Robinson
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Isaac Wright
you think thing would be fine in your goverment, meanwhile roads would be banging your wife while you're running the country.
Austin Williams
I think you're more likely to do that, being based in sweden
David Rogers
>ancapifuck reveals himself to be nothing more than an autistic edgelord dreaming of running a neo-feudal slave plantation
ok so all the anti-ancap memes are 100% correct
Jayden Martinez
Kill yourself.
Ian Nelson
A government WILL form, that'S the whole point, but you are free to seek out a community which offers you what you are looking for. It's a free market of micronations. If somebody doesn't like gays, they look for a community where it is outlawed, why should you be able to tell people who they allow in or not. If you have a minarchy you have to represent the opinion of too many people at once and will fail to make them all happy.
Michael Jenkins
I presume you're trying to say that with enough land you could create your own country that would be a majority state?
I think you're underestimating the value of land in an ancap society.
Oliver Young
>implying you don't live in a fantasy world with your king bullshit Nice spook projection
Leo Lewis
Why are you in this thread if you don't even allow to be convinced?
Grayson Miller
non argument
Brayden Cox
Drain The IRS
Impeach Koskinen
Jonathan Gomez
Is there anything worse than libertarians and ancaps? Good thing they usually smarten up and grow out of it.
Grayson Campbell
commies
James Gray
Guess what retard, in a minarchist state you don't have to associate with a single faggot, or do business with a single faggot.
>A government WILL form, that'S the whole point, but you are free to seek out a community which offers you what you are looking for. It's a free market of micronations. Kek so it's not really anarchism then, it's just mini-mini-minarchism. Let's use your shitt argument against you. What's to stop these-mini-mini states from growing and becoming bigger and bigger? Just like you said the problem with minarchism is that the state will grow???
William Morgan
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Jack Torres
Don't you want to be a king faggot ? Act like one instead of crying and projecting Well you're swedish so growing a pair of balls longs a millenia apparantly
Hunter Watson
I'm not pretending ilke I will ever be king you fucking pseudo-intellectual retard. You're the one spending time spewing your inane garbage all over this website every fucking day.
Xavier Miller
I allow it, but see, you have to make a logical argument first.
Thomas Sullivan
Okay, a group of rich and powerful people decide to combine all their land and make their own country. It's 100% voluntary. Nobody is forced to live there. Anybody can leave if they want to. But if you do choose to live there, you have to pay taxes and follow whatever laws they come up with. Is that okay?
Cooper Davis
Kill yourself.
Ayden Rodriguez
Then read "Democracy: The God That Failed" by Hans-Hermann Hoppe.
Levi Jenkins
>in a minarchist state you don't have to associate with a single faggot, or do business with a single faggot. Instead you become a fonctioneer and you're forced to pay shit you can outcompete but instead you'll be jailed Yeah THAT'S freedom
Carter Butler
The most important thing you can do for the white race is keep your own life in order. You must be successful, reliable, hardworking, and, above all, happy. Do people in your life trust and respect you? What does your family think of you? Racial politics doesn’t have to be the only factor of that. If you can’t achieve these things in your real life, then you are probably wasting your time here.
Always remember: we live in first world countries and have opportunity that most people born on this planet don’t. So work your ass off, every day, to build a good life for yourself. How can you help others when you can’t help yourself? You can make more of a difference in this world by working on your real life, compared to what you can do by funposting here in the echo chamber. Spend your time wisely, and keep your real life priorities in order. Nothing on the internet should ever take away from your real life.
Jose Moore
>you're swedish >grow a pair of balls
you're funny
Joshua Martin
Have you read it?
Hunter Price
Yes.
Luis Carter
If the states are small enough, such a growth can be resisted, if the minarchy contains the whole nation, however, it would be much harder, since the more people a government represents, the bigger it has to be. And yes, there will be not a permanent chaotic status of non order. If Anarchy is that for you, you can look at the antifaggots. Hoppe libertarian means hierarchy through merit rather through political power.
Daniel Price
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Aiden Russell
So much a meanie ;_; Y So much hate
Brody Rivera
>fonctioneer I had to translate your froggy speech in google translate because you can't speak english. No why the fuck would i become a government official? Do you realize how few of those positions would exist in a minarchist state? Maybe 20? 30? For the whole US federal government. Besides, it would be no different from working for my autist overlord in his cottonfield.
>you're forced to pay shit you can outcompete but instead you'll be jailed Yeah, the massive income and corporate tax rate of 0% would really destroy all my hopes and dreams
>jailed Who said there would be jails?
Lincoln Sullivan
What is it about?
Luis Evans
>being this rude on /s4s/'s birthday
Why do Swedes have to be such a disappointment
Angel Rogers
you are defining ancapism right now In minarchism you have taxes and prisons
Lucas King
Not all libertarians are just pedophiles and tax dodgers.
...but most are.
Lincoln Allen
>resisted By who? The ancap hivemind? Sounds kinda like how the "patriots" must resist the minarchy from growing in size. No wait it sounds exactly like that.
>Hoppe libertarian means hierarchy through merit rather through political power. Bullshit, the power you will have is dependent on your personal wealth and your ability to convince retards around you. You are making the grave mistake of defining real value based on what retards value. By that definition Madden is the best video game ever, according to such "meritocracy" miley cyrus is the best musical artist in the world.
Aiden Sanchez
Is an cap lawless? Where are the courts?
Jordan Collins
Because I reply to all your challenges but all you're giving me back is inaneposting
Dominic Garcia
But what prevents somebody from just starting their own country on their own land? If somebody has the land and resources to do that, who is to stop the from pulling it off?
Mason White
Okay, I was talking minarchism in the last thread. The argument obviously is 'any form of state will eventually expand' and it is legitimate. What I don't understand is, how would you then prevent an anarchist society into eventually collapsing into authoritarianism? It seems rather natural.
There's a lot in it. Hoppe talks about how all forms of governments are doomed to fail, with more emphasis on democracy since it always tends to grow into a bigger form of government and paves way to all sorts of malefic systems, goes on to compare it to monarchies and how they are objectively better (which also, in his opinion, is still a flawed system), elaborates on possible scenarios for privately-owned voluntary micro-nations while elaborating a lot of things around the family unit and secession.
Liam Perry
I'm defining MINARCHISM. Are you that fucking dense that you don't know what minarchism means? And now you wouldnt have to have jails in a minarchist system, there are other forms of punishment, like humilation, indentured servitude, or death. Where is your creativity?
Andrew Reed
What's the most ancap country to live nowadays?
>inb4 Somalia
Nathan Nelson
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Christian Morris
Wealth accumulated in a free market is the only form of power that says anything. Once you gained that wealth, you can buy property and turn it into power over said property. If people agree with you and think what your future community will offer, they join you. Once they don't agree anymore (like if you start to grow your power), they leave and you lose your power, like a employer who loses employees he treated badly.
Nicholas Torres
NOTHING! Ancap is fluff-fluff like communism
Benjamin Cooper
Oh well fuck me, I didn't read the thread. So why wouldn't covenants form their own minarchist states? Alternatively you can always fuck off from a minarchist state.
Nicholas Flores
You insult everyone and talk like a Stirner like egoist I don't have to satisfy your demands
Carter Wright
Wow. I take it you own all the miley cyrus cds then as it has been established and proven by the invisible hand to be the best music ever produced.
Can somebody do ANYTHING they want as long as it is on their own land?
Brandon Jenkins
you actually like miley cyrus?
Lucas Jackson
How is his system any less doomed to fail? Everything is suceptible to the law of atrophy
Benjamin Garcia
>Are you that fucking dense that you don't know what minarchism means? A limited government who control the courts,the police and the army who en rich though taxation >And now you wouldnt have to have jails in a minarchist system, there are other forms of punishment, like humilation, indentured servitude, or death. Where is your creativity? Edgy
Logan Rodriguez
Guess what fuckface? Kike bankers own about 60% of the worlds gold supply. They will have power over you whether you personally submit to it or not.
Adam Sanders
has no argument, devolves to natsoc
cheers m8
Brody Kelly
No, The NAP stands above the rights you have on your property. You are not allowed to kill someone on your property (unless he consents). But you have the right to exclude anybody from your property you want, meaning you can practically ban homosexuality or blacks for example. Also, you can say that people that join are not allowed to indulge in sodomy, if they do, they have to go. If people agree to that and join the community, the rule i law on your property. The thing is, everybody knows beforehand what they are dealing with and are guaranteed to live in a system they can agree with.
Nathan Miller
Through FIAT currency yes,we're againts that since it's a state monopoly and can be counterfacted Continue
Alexander Perry
Post-fact rationalization, only cause you lost the argument. Also you sound like a feminist crybaby "i dont like your tone wauuuhhhhh!"
NOT TO FORGET THE FACT THAT YOU STARTED THROWING SHIT AT ME FIRST IN THE OTHER THREAD. You're the one who started insulting me, fuck off you self-rightous autistic prick.
Aaron Torres
"Kike bankers" have their power because of nepotism and interventionism. Without a political caste they can bribe they have noone that can act in their favor.
Kayden Cox
This is confusing. How can you "exclude" people without using force to keep them out?
Aiden Sanchez
I've heard ancaps do. It's been proven by their theology to be the best music every produced.
John Foster
Read the book, it explains a lot of things, it's not terribly long, he's a good writer, it's free to download and a lot of places sell it for less than 10 dollars if you prefer a physical copy. Either way, his "system" is more of a suggestion of what could be an ultimately free society without taxation that still has voluntary nations (instead of forced countries).
Charles Martinez
>NOT TO FORGET THE FACT elephants never forget
reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Kayden Clark
>no u Great counterpoints,with caps locks,you sure convinced me
Hudson Perez
>>Are you that fucking dense that you don't know what minarchism means? A limited government who control the courts,the police and the army who enrich though taxation