Be small business owner

>be small business owner
>socialists want me to pay my high school dropout employee $15 just to sit down and talk to customers all day
I'd rather fire his ass, maintain the shop and pay myself $15 instead.

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What is the work, specifically, and how much do you think it is worth.

the funny thing is according to the labour theory of value (the official marxist economic theory) this would benefit noone

He reaches for stuff which customers pointed at and tenders my Jewish piano. I wouldn't describe any more than that.

My customer pretty much knows what they want so there's no need for him to "sell' my merchandise.

He's black kid but he's alright. He might be a dropout but he's quite an "intelligent" libertarian. I keep pushing him to get a trade but he always say he's preoccupied atm. I have a feeling he deals weed.

>live in AZ
>run a small warehouse for a small national company while I go to school
>minimum wage goes from $8 something to 10.
>new hires making $10
>some dumb bitch comes up to me complaining and demanding to know why new hires are making $10
>that's the law now you dummy didnt you fucking vote?
>it's not fair I've been here 8 years and I'm still making $11, do I get a raise too?
>mfw
she threatened to quit but it's been four months and she's still there. All she fucking does is cut fabric, which a machine does for her.

It's hilarious how this board is now all about bringing back jobs and paying Americans high wages again. But it when comes to wage hike measures, this board does a complete 180 and argues against it. Unless of course it directly benefits them. They would gladly accept $40 an hour for doing the same easy job if they could get it.

Now for the daily reminders:

Tim Cook will not be paying you $40 an hour to build iPhones. No other CEO will be paying you "high wages" for simple labor.

The large plant by my house is unionized and pays workers up to $40 for their work.

The same plant is actively moving jobs to other states where no unions exist so they can pay half that wage. This is happening across the country because companies have no interest in paying you decent wages.

And of course, the orange monkey will not do anything to make up for those deficits. He will flood this country with cheap labor and call it a success. Enjoy your future.

you seem bretty based, desu.

Maybe you shouldn't be such a jew.

Minimum wage job isn't a career job. I keep telling my employees this and either get better skills or be a capitalist.

I'm done with the government. Although Trump might be a breath of fresh air, I still won't hold my breath. Although flat rate tax is something to dream and pray about.

I'm not charity.

>id rather fire him and do his job instead
So op /thread himself?

>Current generation wants nothing but instant gratification

>Tell themto put time into school because it'll pay off

>NAH MANG IM ON MY GRINID TO GET THIS CASH HUSTLIN ERRYDAY GRIND DONT STOP SENPAI

Why even try?

(((Capitalist)))

You're as bad as the marxists. I bet you hire faggots, shitskins, and women you fucking Jew.

>be small business owner
>pay my high school dropout employee $15 just to sit down and talk to customers all day

Small "business" owner doesn't talk to his won customers? Are you selling drugs?

when I was hired 2.5 years ago I was in production making $9.5, they told me don't stay here too long. 4 months later I got moved into sales, a year later I got put in charge of everyone outside. Sometime this month I'm moving over to engineering and they want me to someday take over that. They told me not to stay there too long and now they're doing all they can to get me to stay.

Go to school kids

>Minimum wage job isn't a career job.
Income inequality blocks upward mobility.

Unbearably low wages have been great for business the past 40 years, now it is time for corporations to give a little back.

>hurp durp I own a small shop
Sure thing my lord, got to tend your peasants. Why bother even making your business more profitable or expansionary. It's not like your business is going anywhere either.

All you have for him is Jew?

Wow, nice one! I bet you're one
of these little fags that you mentioned.

He isn't a jew for not paying someone
for a job they aren't doing.

You want him to keep the dumb shit
kid that sits around all day yapping to
customers instead of working.

Try owning your own business,
then come back and tell us you'd
keep the worthless employee, you useless
little cuck

Minimum wage of 15 is already being implemented nigger

I so agree Fucking selfish cunts

>Income inequality

What do you mean?
If everyone at your McBurger joint
gets paid $9hr, how is that inequality?

That's why we need to get rid of federal income tax and the IRS so these fuckers can sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up

Nowhere near in a large scale environment though.

Seattle?

Didn't it just show that they simply don't want to work. I remember a lot of stories saying when Seattle implemented higher minumum wages people simply chose to work less hours because they could no longer receive benefits from government programs. How did that trend hold up?

If it goes up nationally, prices for
everything you buy goes up, making
you whiny fags beg for more money

Even though you slave away at Taco Bell
for minimum wage, and don't really have a future

Why waste the time?

So basically, min wage in OP's area increased, theres potentially more people who will be spending more money in his store, leading to higher profits.

it upsets him though, because he is short sighted and doesn't understand that it will balance out and give his business more spending power.

>I'd rather fire his ass, maintain the shop and pay myself $15 instead.
then do it, and stop bitching

I don't know whose dumber, OP or the people that are taking advice from this uneducated fool. People all over the country are fed up with the rising costs of housing, low wages and economic uncertainty while being told that corporations are making record profits.

Giving tax breaks to business owners like you clearly doesn't work because everytime it's done you don't hire more workers or raise wages, you just hoard it all for yourselves like the greedy assholes that you are. The government should raise minimum wages because the only way people like you will actually give a shit about your workers is through force.

Minimum wage exists so that your employees don't rise up against you, retard.

Exactly!
Most of these people who will
receive more money, loses shit like
food stamps, i.e. losing more money
by using their paycheck on it, so they quit
so they can get more gubment handouts

I have enough for retirement already. I can be a NEET for life if I just live by my means. Also I diversified my bonds, nigga.

That's the problem with socialism. It always always always sounds good on paper but there is a fine line between that and execution. Most socialists are too busy in fantasy land jacking off about how much power they have, get jewed by sheckles and it always tumbles downhill from there

>Don't rise up against you

You DO know what wage negotiations are, right?

Do you know what meritocracy is?

If you're good at your job, you will have more of a chance to talk the boss into handing a little more your way.

But you whiny cunts keep saying people deserve it for no reason other than "they need it"

It's coming to Baltimore, I can't wait for the unemployment to rise even higher. Right now we have some sections with 70% unemployment.

It's starting to feel like Rhodesia

People will only be paid what they are worth. If minimum wage is $15 an hour, but the job you do is not worth $15 an hour, you'll lose your job. Most of these fight for 15 types are niggers/deadbeats though so that's actually what they want

Read the graph

>Business owner mad that he can't exploit his employees for his own personal profit

Nothing new here

I think he means IF minimum wage goes up to $15/hour. Funny considering it was under $6 when I started working. Had no problem getting a job though.

Congrats, leaf. You've just trigger every libertarian in this board

So we are better just having those jobs in China?

>business owner
>shitposts on a mongolian milk fermenting forum

Yeah, you're a fucking liar.
Plus, people aren't employing drop outs there are college educated people that are looking for any shitty job.
KYS

I want him to fucking hire whites only dumbfuck. Instead he's a fucking (((capitalist))) paying nigger employees shit wages. He doesn't give a fuck about his race or his nation.

How does exploitation = paying someone $10/hour run a machine that cuts fabric, Bernie?

Mr Gusty will help you now.

You clearly have no idea how small businesses here work please stop talking.

shut the fuck up singapore

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>hamburger flipper
>hamburger flipper

This is what is going to happen to all low end jobs, get educated hippies

>worth
Thats totally up to the employer, and his opportunity costs. It would be a "problem" at any minimum wage level.
Nigs arent affected in the us cos they get welfare anyway, so they dont care of they out of the job.
It wil affect cheap immigrant labour tho

> there are college educated people that are looking for any shitty job

>mfw (((humanities))) majors think they deserve anything above poverty wages

if you went to college for anything but STEM, you are a r-selected retard single mother-raised nigger and you deserve peanuts for your work

My legal internships were paid 10 an hour, less than these burger flippers want to make

No u faget

The advance class of NEET is capitalist. It's literally playing a simulation game

...

This is right. The Carrot is used too much with business owners (who suddenly forget all about their libertarian opinions when they are the ones getting tax handouts), when the stick is much more effective. Although greedy business owners like OP will always find a way to jew out their employees.

Ya'll are retarded anyway, we have a minimum wage much higher than you and the cost of our fast food is pretty much exactly the same. According to amerifats here a big mac should cost 25 dollars. Is other cost of living expenses high, like rent and utilities? Yeah, they're high as shit, but if you're attributing that to the minimum wage you're a dumb shit.

The only thing an employee is worth is what he produces minus the cost of production.

Also reminder that $15/hr means the business owner has to pay $20-25/hr to actually employ them depending on the state. For example your social security withdrawal on your paycheck has to be matched by the employer.

>pay my high school dropout employee $15 just to sit down and talk to customers all day

Treat the customers like shit you mean

Raising minimum wage doesn't make workers labor worth more. It just sets a price floor for what labor can be paid.

The low-wage workers on staff now will get shitcanned and employers will bring in someone whose labor is worth $15/hr as the employers will seek to maximize returns for their paid wages.

Then what happens is workers whose labor isn't worth $15/hr become unemployable. Nobody will be willing to hire them unless they acquire skills that are worth those higher wages. This likely means student debt and/or living in perpetual poverty. Also, more automation as marginal rate for substitution increase.

Congratulations, you marxist retard, you fucked up the economy for the working class even worse.

>paying someone $10/hour run a machine that cuts fabric,

>jews think we will fall for this
lel

we know about your indian textile plant you kike.

Raising the minimum wage could speed up automation, since there would be more incentive to invest in advancing robotics and AI.

>Raising the minimum wage could speed up automation, since there would be more incentive to invest in advancing robotics and AI.
it WILL speed it up.

problem is the jewish federal reserve can just print more money and control inflation if we raise it.

>black
> deals weed.
>alright.


hires nigger drug dealer, thinks he's alright.

being this retarded

>greedy business owners
Why is the business owner greedy for wanting more money, but the employee isn't greedy for wanting more money (in some cases twice as much). Why is this?

Social Mobility is blocked by regulation.
>be poor. Want to get a job, can't find anyone who is highing because: Minimum wage is 15/hr, that means the employer needs to outlay not just the increase in wages, but also will have employees up his ass asking for increases. So, he has to pay them more or lose them. Then, the tax outlay will increase as the 15/hr wages incur a higher tax burden on him, as employers pay into income tax for their employees. Next, the insurance man will probably start sniffing around, because the old workman's compensation model was based on a different set of wage earners, so that will have to be adjusted, up. There is a rush of business, owner needs to have 10% higher productivity, but, now at 15/hr for the low people on the totem pol he would have to pay them 22.5/hr if he needs over time.
These costs go somewhere.
>looking for a job, company needs to hire, but they will wait because cost to high to hire. Now, unemployment starts to degrade skills, habits of mind and generally dissolve will to work. Even if will to work exists, the bar to entry is too high, other jobs need experience, can't get it because bar to entry is too high. Go in public dole for 60 months, five years of cash assistance. Then have a crooked-progressive doctor give you a diagnosis of "ADHD" or "lead Poisoning" and theybrest of one's life is food stamps and disability.
For fucks sake, why stop at 15, why not 30 or 100.

>cant justify getting paid a wage above 15 an hour
>wants daddy government to cuck for them instead

here's a thought: instead of raising the min wage, why don't we just let you fuckers starve

liberals think that the pink houses will magically levitate upward in the second panel

What's sad is that most people think in terms of LTV even today.

Seems like you business is flawed. If you aren't utilizing your employees properly or paying them enough to give a shit, shame on you.

>I'd rather fire his ass, maintain the shop and pay myself $15 instead.
Then shut the fuck up and do it, you role playing NEET.

So fire him, dipshit. No one's forcing you to have an employee.

you guys are so fucking dumb, the singaporean guy has pretty much summed it up already.

Read a book on basics economics instead of arguing about this.

How do you know he's hiring niggers?

He didn't say that, he said employee
you're only assuming it's a nigger because
you have the brain of a gnat.

White teenage males tend to blab their mouths off to customers just as much as any other race. Dumbass.

Automation revolution will still face yuge resistance. Even if we had all the tech in the world, MUH FEELS and MUH HUMANITY will still hinder it. I doubt we will see full automation in our lifetime

Obviously you do not need an employee so it is inefficient and irrational for you to have one. Thus the law benefits you as now you have more money.

Your former employee will now now find a job that is useful to someone else. Thus he benefits.

Society benefits as both of you are now more efficient.

You are the reason why people hate globalism. You want to give corporations tax breaks so that they hire more workers. Instead, corporations absorb the money they save and hide that money in offshore tax havens while outsourcing more and more jobs to Asia.

Corporations make record profits but our way of life diminishes. When we ask for the government to step in and bridge the gap between the unequal balance of power between employers and employees, people like you come along and call us lazy and tell us to starve and die. You are the definition of a cuckservative.

>what is long run and short run
Eventually companies will downsize, but without any means in the short run to make up the lost labour if they fired all their cheapo staff, they either pay the wages or go bust

The welfare cliff is a big problem that needs to be fixed
Literally encouraging people not to improve their position in life

Wrong
Those are social democrats

Fuck off Belgium, go make some waffles

Robots will work for less than $8 an hour too. Keeping wages low isn't going to stop automizatiom.

I'm not paying him $15 yet

fuck you and fuck poor people

>Robots will work for less than $8 an hour too.
they dont compare to 3rd worlders or else they would be used instead.

robots are still above our minimum wage when it comes to cost.

Throughout history, the Luddites almost always lose. Watch Humans Need Not Apply.

I'll make them for 7.5 an hour burger! 2€ for one with whipped cream.

You don't have near the amount of shit-tier people in the underclass as us allowing it not to be as detrimental to your economy.

Apply your lower worker wage protections to a 40-45% epic/nigger society and watch it implode. Hell even with our minimum wage being so low the government still subsidizes certain "disadvantaged" workers at that rate for the employer because they still aren't worth that much and allows Pajeets and Achmeds to come over here and run food marts tax free in shitholes. Otherwise there wouldn't be a business open in entire swaths of our cities.

>I'd rather fire his ass, maintain the shop and pay myself $15 instead.
then fire him and do the work yourself. you're the boss.
oh... wait... you don't really want to do that work yourself. you just want to pay less than minimum wage for it to be done. hmmm.... smells jewish.

>Daddy gov help
I rather destroy their business by getting hired and black mail or straight sell them out to finance. Next step will be going after the families of the CEOs of tax funded slave companies.

First jewrnos, second positive discriminated minorities and finally traitors. Make the traitors feel comfy and break their necks when they expect it the least.

increase the workload to make it worth paying them $15 t b h

People won't fully understand socialism until after the great purge. Until then, prepare for the worst and try to make as much money as you can while money still has value.

He could just raise his prices

Raising the minimum wage obviously isn't the answer, as costs just continue to rise anyway. But the answer also isn't to just eliminate the minimum wage, as corporate scum loves to shit on the worker. So what is the option?

Because they're happy to break the law to pay their employee less than they deserve while hoarding the money for themselves.
>huffingtonpost.com.au/2017/04/03/one-in-three-australian-businesses-arent-paying-apprentices-cor_a_22019761/
>abc.net.au/news/2016-12-05/employers-not-paying-australian-workers-correct-superannuation/8091300
>news.com.au/finance/work/at-work/have-you-been-underpaid-wage-calculator-shows-if-your-employer-is-ripping-you-off/news-story/ccff6504bcdb63281ac1f384a77e0d98
>news.com.au/finance/money/tax/tax-man-hits-the-streets-looking-for-cash/news-story/fc3a88cccfd6478a5bd94553788a1f50
The article doesn't mention it but in those businesses that are cash only they pay staff below minimum at least 80% of the time.

It's a matter of time. They've already started replacing cashiers with machines. There's no burger flipping robot that can perform all the duties of a human yet, but once there is, the minimum wage will mean fuck all.

>low-test commie spergs his violent revenge fantasies

>Make 75 an hour
kek whatever buddy

You get the bullet.

How old is the nigger?

one global currency

You already know.