What counter arguments can I make to this?

What counter arguments can I make to this?

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>modern liberalism =/= classical liberalism.

Social justice ruined liberalism. Equality is not achievable without sacrificing liberty.

Ask them about Stalin and Mao.

Then run the numbers.

ACTHUALLY THE CONFEDERACY WAS DUE TO SUSTAINED BULLYING OF SOWFF FROM NORTHERN BULLIES WITH TARIFFS PLS FACCHECK

can someone post ghandis quotes about niggers

>Republicans in the old south
wew lad

/Thread

>the civil war was about owning black people

98% of the south didn't own slaves, also white supremacy was literally considers scientific fact in the 1800's

>national socialists were right wing

No

>lincoln was left wing

Lol

>people that lived in a completely different type of past civilization were left wing

Wew lad

I asked about all the commies he said that Lenin and Trotsky were good and the rest were bad. Responses? I know Lenin was a dick right?

The only reason all the newly freed niggers didn't get deported back to Africa was because of that faggot John wilkes booth

Tell him that Hitler was just one of our bad guys.

This.

His list of great people is unique. Stop giving these people attention.

But Hitler was a good guy

One of Lincoln's favorite songs was Dixie. As in the national anthem of the confederacy. And he ordered the union band to play it for him when they returned to the capital for a victory parade after the end of the war between the states.

But then who could I use as an example as a "good" right winger?

Also,
Ask them if socialism is a beneficial ideology.
Then ask them what "Nazi" stands for.

That kind of invalidates his point though? Stalin and Mao killed like 100+ million people. That alone shows how evil left-wingers can be.

Abraham Lincoln Quote

“I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in anyway the social and political equality of the white and black races – that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied everything.”

by:

Abraham Lincoln
(1809-1865) 16th US President
Source:

Fourth Debate with Stephen A. Douglas at Charleston, Illinois, September 18, 1858
(The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume III, pp. 145-146.)

By modern standards, any US President before Kennedy counts.

Abraham Lincoln wasnt left wing at all
John Lennon was just awful
etc

"fucking niggers, I hate them"
t. Mahatma Ghandi

He has no point to contest op,

he got all his historical info from movies and pop culture.

IN other words, he's a bigger faggot than you are.

First question is why would you want to? They are fucking retarded. Right and left are perspectives that need a base. Natsoc is right-wing compared to commies yes but it's left of monarchy for example.

They dont make any valid points whatsoever so i wouldnt even bother.

...

>Confederates where white supremacist.
I'm 100% sure that the southerners were fighting against price fixing from the north and states rights.

Lincoln was a racist porky and there were prominent socialist elements in the NSDAP, but he's got you for the most part.

Most of those people weren't even lefties, and the ones that were didn't actually matter in the grand scheme of things. The only one in that list who was lefty and mattered is Gandhi.
Also, google National Socialism.

How the fuck were nazis "right wing"? Right wing, by definition, is the belief in LESS government control. Fascism is literally left wing.

State some facts.

thats some mindkilled ass shit right there

what does communism has to do with this?

Also, history lesson.

>Martin Luther King
Republican
>JFK
Would be called a racist anti-semite today, pretty much indistinguishable from Donald Trump.

Forgot link:
www.census.gov/prod/www/decennial.html
1860a document 2 pg 10 and 1860b document 8 pg 64

JFK was a nazi sympathieser . Martian lurther king disliked the Jews. Ab Lincoln wanted to send the black people back to Africa. In fact why doesn't this moron know ab was a republican.

> Mother Teresa
> A virtue signaling fraud is a leftists

Really activates my almonds

Mother Theresa was a religious extremist

>nazis are racists and sheeeeeit
>entire africa was allied colonie during the war
If anything, nigger should be glad the nazis came, they had the perfect chance for revolting, and of course they wasted it..

Wasn't gandi both racist and homophobic?

MLK was Republican too

These '''''''''''people'''''''''''''' are just complete morons.
This fuckhead also listen Mother Teresa as one of the good people, when she's just a psycho who stole from people just so she could watch little kids die for ''enlightenment''.

Why are these people fixing the time as variable ?

This is utterly retarded. I fucking hate these generalizing faggots.

Just say to him to stop generalizing and post picture of

This person simply doesn't have a proper conception of Left and Right.

Churchill and De Gaulle were both Right Wing, supported socioeconomic cohesion, were racist, were imperialist, and opposed Hitler, for example.

> Appeal to authority

Typical liberal who can't think for himself

>facts

Dude got anal douches daily.
If anything he was bi-curious.

Hitler had a whole lot of left wing policies.

I wouldn't bother trying to refute this. Anyone moronic enough to make this post unironically is not going to have their mind changed by you.

Why bother?

> I'm anti-capitalistic I love communism Stalin wasn't that bad of a guy goy

All those people he listed would be called far-right today.
Really, really makes me thunk.

So hitler did not say that thing?

How do you know this?

Are you Antifa ?

Abe lincoln was a republican.

confederates were democrats, lincoln was republican

Left wing ideology that butchered 100s of millions.

I see a lot of idiots in here saying facsism is inheritely 'left-wing' because of more government control.

This is like looking at the world in a 1D linear perspective. authoritarianism vs libertarianism needs to be taken into account. When all property is publicly owned by the state, but not allocated evenly, you only get half of what communism is supposed to be, the worse half and by itself is well, fascism.

it's left wing

Yes, writing friendly letters to Hitler up to year 1942, hated niggers with burning passion.

>How do you know this?
The source listed in the image?

>Mlk was a republican
>Lincoln was a republican
>The left killed hundreds of millions of people
>Nigs are on a welfare plantation
>Democrats use nigs and keep them piir
>Vote democrat for 50+ years = Chicag/Detroit

I wouldn't argue with a nigger though. These people always look to history to escape their own guilt.

>hurr durr KKK RASISSS
>KKK killed less people in 85 years then niggers killed by their own "brothers" in ~5 in Shit-cago alone.

Common sense isn't with these people. Africa is a shithole for a reason! Nigs,in general, only care about the present and cant think beyond their $200 shoes and next shitty rapper.

I saw a village given a free well and within a year it was destroyed. These people are savages.

This. KKK founders and members were exclusively Democrats

> Lenin
> Stalin
> Mao

they weren't just great people... they were great people who ALL shared Left-Wing, progressive values

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>john lennon wasnt just a racist wifebeater he was a LIBERAL racist wifebeater

"The Nazis welcomed Jesse Owens while the US made him use different bathroom. Just like we do to trans people today. How dare you call yourself "left-wing", you non-inclusive transphobic asshole! Also, get educated - its silly to suggest the Civil War was about slavery. The Civil War was about economics. Now go read a book, preferably one about the French Revolution. Martin Luther King used stole church money to pay for White prostitutes that he beat - that's why his FBI file is still sealed today. J/RFK were absolute womanizers and, there's evidence to suggest, anti-Semites. Ghandi and Mother Teresa were both terrible people and hypocrits in the context that people promote them today - Mother Teresa was a Catholic for fuck's sake! It doesn't come more oppressive and patriarchal than that - she was just a pawn! And Abraham Lincoln... Wow, that's just... I can't even right now... You're actually going to cite Abraham Lincoln as left-wing, when he explicitly promoted the deportation of Africans - your noble ancestors, no doubt, oppressed for generations after being stolen from Mother Africa - back to Africa! How could you call him a 'great man' when, if he'd not been shot by those 'RIGHT-WING white supremacists who wanted to secede from america so they could continue to own black people' you hate so much, YOU WOULD NOT EXIST IN THIS COUNTRY, YOU WOULD EXIST IN AFRICA, WHICH STATISTICALLY SUGGESTS YOU MIGHT WELL HAVE DIED OUTRIGHT DUE TO THE WHITE MAN'S MICRO- AND MACROAGGRESSIVE OPPRESSION THROUGH IMPERIALISTIC RAPE OF THE LANDSCAPE!? I AM SO FUCKING TRIGGERED RIGHT NOW! NOT-GAWD! "

>Mother Theresa
Hated faggots with a passion, and thought pain killers were bullshit because suffering is holy.

The Nazis were fucking Socialists.

So what?
> right wing ideologies don't have butchers and destroyers.

This shit reminds me how stupid and underage this board fucking is.

Stop generalizing.

They were also authoritarians, the major contribution to why shit got so fucked up.

authoritarian =/= left-wing. (see Hitler)

The remarks made are full of a fallacious thinking.
>False cause - presuming that the relationship between political ideals and the individuals involved are caused by each other

>bandwagoning - just because people you like or hate do something doesn't mean that it is necessarily correct or logical

>appeal to authority - these people being successful or not doesn't mean that their political stance is successful or failed

>no true Scotsman - just because a pet or an individual was good/evil does not mean that the whole is good/evil

>Cherry picking - the premise as a whole is a fine example of cherry picking

>genetic - passing judgement based on the genesis of where or whom the argument comes from does not refute or strengthen the argument at hand

> first decent post in this thread.

Who are you quoting?

Most of these people weren't left wing, most americans just have an American high school level education so it isn't a surprise that all the good people in history class are magically progressive freedom fighters.

She was also batshit insane and scammed people out of millions by appearing to be some innocent saint.

This shit pisses me off. She was a ''normal'' person that lived not that long ago, she caused insane amounts of suffering and ripped off more people than Hillary Clinton, yet she is seen as some holy person and is better known than mother Mary.

Shit like this makes me not care about what happens with the world. Just nuke it all.

Ideologies arent as simple of left v right.

Framing it this way is very much "us v them" thinking

Hitler's authoritarianism comes purely from his left wing economic ideas
Kicking out jews isn't all that authoritarian. If he wasn't a Socialist his state wouldn't have been that authoritarian, they would just kick out jews.

>This shit reminds me how stupid and underage this board fucking is.
>Stop generalizing.
> wants to generalize in regards to the proportional representation of (((butchers and destroyers))) amongst 'left-wing' and 'right-wing' politics, because otherwise its obvious 'left-wing' politics contains a greater proportion of such (((people)))
> Doesn't just outright say "That whole left-right paradigm is some stupid shit." because he's some kind of newfag, redditor or other fuckwit that didn't get the message in Sup Forumsharbor and wants to come off as clever, well-read and experienced to the refuse of nu-reddit

Now effort-post back at me, I dare you.

>presuming that the relationship between political ideals and the individuals involved are caused by each other

Are you suggesting that political ideals have no effect on the policies taken up by the holders of those ideals?

Right wing?

Nazi = National SOCIALIST Party.

They were extreme LEFT wing.

hit them with this
tell them Nazis would not exist without genocidal Jews preceding them
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Revolution_of_1918–19

The Bolsheviks weren't just murderous assholes. They were LEFT-WING murderous assholes.
The Democratic People's Republic of Korea weren't just whiny losers who wanted to secede from Korea. They were LEFT-WING communists who wanted to oppress their own people through authoritarian rule.
Castro wasn't just a dictator. He was a LEFT-WING dictators who wanted steal prisoners blood and sell it to the Viet Cong before they executed them.

STOP de-politicizing history

your new finance minister is going to wreck your country

i hope you have guns and suidlander contacts

"Kaffirs are as a rule uncivilized - the convicts even more so. They are troublesome, very dirty and live like animals."

"A general belief seems to prevail in the Colony that the Indians are little better, if at all, than savages or the Natives of Africa. Even the children are taught to believe in that manner, with the result that the Indian is being dragged down to the position of a raw Kaffir.”

"“Ours is one continual struggle against a degradation sought to be inflicted upon us by the Europeans, who desire to degrade us to the level of the raw Kaffir whose occupation is hunting, and whose sole ambition is to collect a certain number of cattle to buy a wife with and, then, pass his life in indolence and nakedness.”

“There is a bye-law in Durban which requires registration of coloured servants. This rule may be, and perhaps is, necessary for the Kaffirs who would not work, but absolutely useless with regard to the Indians. But the policy is to class the Indian with the Kaffir whenever possible.”

“Your Petitioner has seen the Location intended to be used by the Indians. It would place them, who are undoubtedly infinitely superior to the Kaffirs, in close proximity to the latter.”

“The £3 tax is merely a penalty for wearing the brown skin and it would appear that, whereas Kaffirs are taxed because they do not work at all or sufficiently, we are to be taxed evidently because we work too much, the only thing in common between the two being the absence of the white skin.”

Gandhi was openly racist was pro eugenics being one of the arguments and ask him about Malcom x

>I venture to point out that both the English and the Indians spring from a common stock, called the Indo-Aryan. … A general belief seems to prevail in the Colony that the Indians are little better, if at all, than savages or the Natives of Africa. Even the children are taught to believe in that manner, with the result that the Indian is being dragged down to the position of a raw Kaffir

Holy shit he was fucking redpilled

milton friedman
H-H Hoppe
thomas jefferson
basically all of the founding fathers
basically every white male before 1965 that wasnt a communist or criminal
plato
socrates
aristotle
andre the giant

>Lincoln left-wing

Hahahahahah

Nazis had a social welfare system that nigger could only dream of, they were definitely left wing

except it was exclusionary and had oversight

What economic ideas did he have that were left wing? How did these "left wing" ideas lead to authoritarian policy?

It should be noted here that he was generally looked up to, at the time, for saving the German economy.

“I venture to write you regarding the shocking state of the Indian Location. The rooms appear to be overcrowded beyond description. The sanitary service is very irregular, and many of the residents of the Location have been to my office to complain that the sanitary condition is far worse than before. There is, too, a very large Kaffir population in the Location for which really there is no warrant.”

“I feel convinced that every minute wasted over the matter merely hastens a calamity for Johannesburg and that through absolutely no fault of the British Indians. Why, of all places in Johannesburg, the Indian Location should be chosen for dumping down all the kaffirs of the town passes my comprehension.”

“Of course, under my suggestion, the Town Council must withdraw the Kaffirs from the Location. About this mixing of the Kaffirs with the Indians, I must confess I feel most strongly. I think it is very unfair to the Indian population and it is an undue tax on even the proverbial patience of my countrymen.”

“Even the half-castes and Kaffirs, who are less advanced than we, have resisted the Government. The pass law applies to them as well, but they do not take out passes.”

“Are we supposed to be thieves or free-booters that even a Kaffir policeman can accost and detain us wherever we happen to be going?”

“The British rulers take us to be so lowly and ignorant that they assume that, like the Kaffirs who can be pleased with toys and pins, we can also be fobbed off with trinkets.”

Was Ghandi /ourpoo/?

we can't have such a system because of sluts and trash like the pos in op's pic

>5555
welp

Kuehnelt-Leddihn

“Some Indians do have contacts with Kaffir women. I think such contacts are fraught with grave danger. Indians would do well to avoid them altogether.”

“Kaffirs are as a rule uncivilised – the convicts even more so. They are troublesome, very dirty and live almost like animals. Each ward contains nearly 50 to 60 of them. They often started rows and fought among themselves. The reader can easily imagine the plight of the poor Indian thrown into such company!”
This is all not including the various indian texts wherein he incited the Indians to violence towards the blacks.

Nazis were socialists

Bolsheviks murdered more people than anyone.

Left wing.

Also led by Jews (Stalin purged many- which the history ooks record as 'antisemitic' even thiugh ge gad jewish wives and advisers - purge of high ifficials got lots of jews bc hews were very disproportionately high officials)

Mao
Pol Pot

>effort ?

You are counting the number instead of destroying the argument.

Look at the argument.

Mother Theresa ( clearly a saint if you are a fucking disgusting pleb )
Lohn Lemon? As an argument? The guy was a fucking hippie.
Jesus (as an argument ?) The guy didn't even exist for fucks sakes.

What kind of left wing ideology? What the fuck are you talking about? CONTAIN YOUR AUTISM.

You are imbecile for even trying to reply to somebody who does not know the history.

Well he was a sexual deviant too so pretty much

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