Should spanking be legal?

eveningsun.com/story/news/2017/03/28/man-charged-after-spanking-6-year-old-hairbrush/99587262/

A Conewago Township man was charged after he allegedly spanked a 6-year-old girl he knew with a hairbrush after he took off her clothing, according to an affidavit filed with District Judge Daniel Bowman.

Justin Michael Karpicky, 35, of the 700 block of Poplar Street, also allegedly gave the girl a bath and rubbed her genital area to the point that it hurt her, the affidavit states.

The girl told her mother about the spanking, and when the mother confronted Karpicky, he did not deny taking the child's clothing off and did not provide a reason for it, police said in the affidavit.

He allegedly said to the mother, "I didn't do anything weird," the affidavit states.

Police discovered that Karpicky spanked adult women in the past for his own enjoyment, and there were times he asked them to role play as a child, police said in the affidavit.

Police received a search warrant for his home and found his laptop with links to sites involving the spanking of young girls. They also found images of a woman without pants on being spanked by Karpicky and pedophilia images of a female juvenile, the affidavit states.

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If you ever have to hit your child, being a parent is not for you.

jesus christ. what is the world coming to.

All forms of "child abuse" with the exception of sexual abuse should be legal. It's not your job to tell me how to raise my fucking kid. If I think he needs a good punch to make him stop acting like a nigger then he's going to get it.

This wasn't a guy disciplining his kid. This was a guy molesting someone else's child. There's a huge difference.

Objectively wrong. Kids are individuals and don't always conform even with perfect guidance. Sometimes they'll see or hear things out of your control and will act up due to it. Spanking should be a last resort but to say that it has no place in parenting is retarded. Spanking should be used in conjunction with other methods and should never be used by itself as a disciplinary method and shouldn't be used on a child over the age of 10~ as it serves more harm than good at that point.
The problem with spanking isn't the act itself but shitty parents who use it as the go-to punishment and never explain why their child is being spanked. They usually spank too much and is accompanied by harsh yelling and blaming. Pure negative reinforcement which damages the child. Blame the parent, not the tool.

>kids are individuals

God forbid they have thier own personalities and ambitions. Better beat it out of them and make them become boot-licking wagecucks huh?

spanking is the shittiest amerimeme.

>Projecting
I bet you think no one should own guns because you don't trust yourself with them, amirite?

false equivalence, doing what your fathers did because you still fear them is childish.

>false equivalence
Nope. He's assuming every single person spanks so their child become a "boot-licking wagecuck." That implies that if anyone ever spanks a kid, including himself, that it's for that reason. Anti-gun owners use this same argument for gun control. "It's a weapon only used to kill, nothing else." You're also using a terrible argument as well. "Lmao you only spank because you were spanked as a kid and you're still scared of him"
Provide a good argument retard.

>strawman
hurr, spanking doesn't work retard, kids aren't going to obey you, at their early teensage they will revel at you and they are going to become nEEts that shitpost on a containment sub-forum in a basket weaving guidepage.

>that "rebuttal"
I hope you never become a parent. Especially in that shithole you call a country.

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You are objectively wrong. If your kids can only learn by being struck with physical violence then there's a chance you are raising subhuman nigs and not actual human beings. Violence and force are the only language that nigs, arabs, and shitskins truly understand. They hate cops because they have more power than them. White humans on the other hand are far more vulnerable to methods of shame. Telling a white child that they have been very bad and made other people feel bad is very effective - look at what white guilt has caused in the US alone.
Just because it's popular doesn't mean it's good or effective at its purpose - look at the degeneracy around us, it's popular but indulging in it doesn't help kids 'get it out of their system', it just makes them more addicted to it.

bump

>the fucking puns you managed to pack into that
Well done.

Yes spanking should be legal, its a good way to teach children discipline at a young age, and hopefully after 2-7 spanks they won't need any more.

However that asshole in your post is a fucking child molester.
>pic related

I grew up with corporal punishment. I'm pissed I can't discipline my kids in the same way. I grew up highly disciplined and have always been more principled than my friends because of it. Spanking works, but hell, even a belt or a slap to the face works and arguably even better

Such fucking weak faggots nowadays that people actually think that you shouldn't discipline your kids this way

Children should not be spanked. Their mothers absolutely should be

In front of the children so they know how to treat a woman

>Should spanking be legal?
Only if it is universal. Legal as punishment for adults too.

Is your child old enough to understand reason? Then use reason

If they cannot understand reason, they won't understand why you're fucking hitting them, asshole

>illegal to hit adults
>fine to hit kids

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>i can't into Maslow's pyramid thee post

If you spank your kids they're gonna grow up with a degenerate spanking fetish and spend all their money in prostitutes to fulfil their urges
Trust me on this one guys

>tfw parents used corporal punishment on me as a child
>tfw only type of porn I watch is BDSM
>tfw fetishes have gotten progressively worse ever since I was a teenager
>tfw want to find prostitutes to fulfill these fantasies instead of just straight up beating girlfriend, but don't have the balls to cheat

Holy fuck you might be right

>I grew up highly disciplined and have always been more principled than my friends because of it.

You grew up highly abused and have had your behavior altered by violence in a way that even you can see compared to your friends

You have been indoctrinated to believe that the effects of your abuse are positive

Please don't have children

But I am having children though, sometime within the next year. I would punish them the same way my parents did but since everyone nowadays is such a fucking cuck about it I probably won't because if they tell a teacher I can get arrested

So fucking stupid it was a good way of reinforcement. How come out of all my friends in high school, I'm the only one who at my age (25) with a job and ready to make a family? Meanwhile all my friends who's parents weren't disciplinarians are literally all manchildren who still drink and party and have NO direction

I knew from an early age that if I did something "bad" I would get spanked. I may have not known why it was "bad", but the fear of getting another spanking was a big deterrence from doing it again.

DON'T TELL ME HOW I SHOULD BEAT MY KIDS

>I would punish them the same way my parents did but since everyone nowadays is such a fucking cuck about it I probably won't because if they tell a teacher I can get arrested

You need to go see a psychologist and get a handle on what happened to you as a child. You then need to learn how to discipline children in an effective way that does not involve PHYSICALLY HURTING THEM

you fucking CROMAGNON

FIGURE IT OUT. It's a fucking CHILD you PRICK

>You need to go see a psychologist and get a handle on what happened to you as a child

But I'm not bothered by what happened to me at all man.

>You then need to learn how to discipline children in an effective way that does not involve PHYSICALLY HURTING THEM

Once again, why am I more successful then all my friends? Why is it that most kids in past generations had the same type of punishment and all those people grew up to be much more disciplined then the fucking fairies we see in the millennial generation

Spaking worked at inflicting pain without actually hurting the child, because of the number of never endings in the ass cheeks combined with the ass's ability to absorb the shock.

As long as you are not using a belt, paddle, or using all your might. You are not actually hurting your child.

I used to get paddlings in school. They did this even in highschool before I moved. Thinking back on it now I can't believe I let some grown man that worked for the school hit me on the ass with a fucking board.

That's kind of hot did they do it to the girls?

Yeah but it was always a female teacher that did it.

Damn that's disappointing, still hot though. Where the fuck did you go to school kek?

>false attribution

This is what your parents tell you because they feel guilty about what they did

>inflicting pain without actually hurting the child

Spanking is inflicting pain - inflicting pain is hurting a child. What you are doing is inflicting pain until the child breaks psychologically and submits to you. This is coupled with a deep indoctrination by the abuser that is supposed to associate actions with fear, pain and submission in a fucking abhorrent and despicable way.

>Why am I more successful than all my friends?

Guess what, there are more people in the world than your friends. Those who are more successful than you, born into more wealth, into happier families and into more opportunity than you are raised in a way that does not psychologically abuse children and they are infinitely better off because of it. You are successful IN SPITE of your abuse, not BECAUSE of it. This is like stockholm syndrome because of the young age that your abuse began.

>Why is it that kids in the past had the same type of abuse and they grew up to be more disciplined

Your wording of this is suspect - they did grow up more "disciplined" - more abused. They carried psychological baggage with them for their entire lives because of the rampant violent physical abuse that occurred in their childhoods and you can see the results in real time - more spousal abuse, more child abuse, more domestic violence, more alcoholism and violent behavior. Your perception of millennials being "fairies" is purely based on a feedback loop of ridiculous BS used by abusers to justify hitting children. Kids today are no different than they were 50 years ago and you are a fool to think otherwise because you see some faggot parents doing stupid spoiled shit to their kids. There are ways to raise your children effectively without resorting to violence like a fucking idiot and harming them.

>What you are doing is inflicting pain until the child breaks psychologically and submits to you

Rural East Texas. Very small school in the boonies.

They don't feel guilty and I am not mad at them at all for how they raised me

Kys

>They don't feel guilty

Child abusers never feel guilt

>I am not mad at them at all for how they raised me

This is because you were indoctrinated. You need to see a psychologist dude, this is so fucked. Please do not carry on this cycle of violent abuse to your children - you will harm them more than you could possibly understand

Thats just my take i'm not as hard line bleeding heart with it like this user

Sometimes a little slap can snap a kid out of whatever dangerous/unwanted/stupid/annoying thing they are doing

by no means to i advocate 10 lashes for this 5 for that kind of discipline though

I'm not successful in spite of anything my friend. Look I love how you write all this, but I am the one who had this done to me as a kid, and guess what? I'm not mad about it. You are the one virtue signalling and trying to tell me how I feel. Thing is though you're wrong, I still have a great relationship with my parents, I harbor absolutely no animosity against them at all, I feel like they properly raised me and got me ready for the world, and I thank them for that. Clearly what they were doing was right because that is the reality of my relationship with them nowadays and the man I have become. I just find it so funny that you say I'm "indoctrinated" but as far as I'm concerned, I was jut raised differently and it worked, considering the circumstances now

Yeah seriously my parents never beat the fuck out of me but would slap me if I was sperging out. It really did fucking work very well actually.

That's a pretty bad example of spanking.. That's a sexual assault behind it not a disciplinary reasoning.

its a very fine line though and some people do go overboard.
While i do think we should keep parents from beating on kids i dont like the idea of having a government tell people how to raise their children

Yes.

A beat is not a spanking. You aren't even suppose to hurt a child during a spanking you just give them a firm spank to the ass, you're just mentally ingraining that there are consequences for misbehaving, same with scolding and grounding/taking something away from them. It's not violent abuse if you do it right and not go out of your fucking mind and rage hit a kid because you're incompetent as a parent.

My experience with spanking is that my dad did it when he was in uncontrollable anger and clearly using it as a means of venting for himself. My mum wasn't strong enough to inflict any pain at all

Neither parent was able to spank me properly with the right intentions. It didn't work.

Yeah seriously government gets between marriages, between families it's fucking bullshit. They never ask why you would hit your spouse or child they just assume it was bad, fucking ridiculous government shouldn't break up families that way

Yes we need shades of grey for deciding these matters. Not cover all open and shut simplistic things

Oh no a pedobear spanked a 6 year old. Guess that means no one should spank their children.

there is emprical evidence and plenty of data that highlights behaviour that has a heightened risk of producing developmentally disadvantaged children

Do you really want to teach your kid to become another shamefilled retard?
Teach true consequence of actions not embarrassing moments. If they believe that an action will end in being shamed there are only three routes left: Withdrawing into their own world, becoming shameless or actually being a good kid to avoid it.
With physical punishment the worst that can happen is the kid dislikes you because they didn't feel they should have been punished when you punished them. Instead of an unhealthy aversion to shame they get a healthy aversion to pain thus making them think twice before getting injured during childhood.
Physical punishment is absolutely required to make a child grow with a healthy mind and a care for their body. You have mixed cause and effect. Whites aren't vulnerable to shame because they are white. They are vulnerable to shame because they have been consistently humiliated during childhood to the point where their developing egos have been suppressed into pitiful yesmen and neets.

Seriously what the fuck lead you to believe that humiliation would create healthy children?

It's illegal to beat your kids in the U.S.?

>If they cannot understand reason, they won't understand why you're fucking hitting them, asshole
So we should just let them do whatever the fuck until they're old enough to reason with?

People like you with your uncontrolled spawn are a public menace.

>I would punish them the same way my parents did

You are playing with fire. I come from an area where every kid was spanked. Many of those fathers were later beaten to shit by their full grown sons. I know of some kids that grew up and killed their fathers. I nearly killed my own father by slitting his throat because he spanked me.

If you hit kids, all you are doing is making them angry, angry as fuck. And they will retaliate against you somewhere somehow sometime. You will have no idea when it is coming, it might take 20 years, but when it comes you will be fucked up. Do not, do not, do not hit kids.

>allegedly gave her a bath
>we dont know why he took off her clothes

is everyone in this scenario a retard?

Yeah courts literally could care less about the reason behind a simple slap to your wife or a spanking to your child. They just see it as violence nowadays that isn't to be negotiated, marriages and families are ruined because of shit like that. It's so fucking dumb

This is what your daughter's ass should look like if you ever catch her smoking, skipping school, masturbating, talking to boys, etc

Ever had kids?

>But I'm not bothered by what happened to me at all man.

You don't have a clue how that has fucked up your brain. I lived for 30 years thinking I was fine. Then i read some books about the effects of hitting kids. Little did i know that all sorts of weird things about my thinking processes, beliefs, behavior had all been result of that violence as a kid.

You are fucked up, and you don't know it. NO ONE escapes from hitting as kid without damage. The only question is - how much damage.

As opposed to never disciplining your child so they grow up to be intolerable narcissists.

everyone's a parenting expert until they shit one out

>So we should just let them do whatever the fuck until they're old enough to reason with?

You are being intentionally disingenuous you fucking room temperature IQ piece of shit.

Kek I never wanted to kill my parents, sometimes I wanted to run away but never did after I realized I got hit because ultimately I did something stupid. Sounds like you lived around a bunch of niggers or something

>beating children is acceptable
This is why you're still a 3rd world shithole with a huge drub problem.

>I can't believe I let some grown man that worked for the school hit me on the ass with a fucking board.

No Kidding. You probably want to drive that paddle up his fucking ass with a jack boot.

Are you a nigger?

Yup. that's exactly how it works. They know what they did was wrong. My mother thanks me many times for not suing them.

They 100% believe that it was a girl?

even dogs understand human speech, if your kids are too stupid to understand the implications he is going to have a hard time.

Except you fuckers keep telling me how sick I am and yet you don't know me and don't know how I grew up not caring and still don't care. I don't see all these negative side effects you people keep mentioning.

>NO ONE escapes from hitting as kid without damage. The only question is - how much damage.

Except I did bro, not that fucking hard, you got hit because you did something dumb. Get over it. You deserved it

is illegal even in mexico.

I pay money to spank sex workers for my own sexual thrill
AMA

great post. user knows the score.
other user supporting spanking is living in denial.

Chances are if it crosses your mind that your kid needs a proper slap upside the head, the other kids in their class have thought that too. So are you going to do it, knowing what acceptable punishment is and when to stop, or wait until they piss off the wrong kid who leaves them picking up their own teeth with a handful of broken fingers?

Requesting study material.

spanking should be used for discipline. but please don't post it here it is my fetish

>teach a child to not behave like a nigger by behaving like a nigger
Right, okay...

>Sometimes a little slap can snap a kid out of whatever dangerous/unwanted/stupid/annoying thing they are doing

You need to read some child parenting books. and you need to read about what violence by parents does to the PHYSICAL BRAIN of a child. It changes the brain. Your brain is fucked up and you don't even know it because it is your brain.

Just go to /gif/ I'm sure there's a thread up over there

You honestly just sound like a little weak bitch user

Spare the rod: spoil the child.

Regarding the actual story.....

Spanking the girl was fine if she was misbehaving. As an adult you should be allowed to spank a girl under 18 who is misbehaving if she does not have a parent or guardian present.

>rubbed her genital area to the point that it hurt her,

Ok that is sexual assault

so you are a friend that doesn't understand basic psychology huh ? lets find what kind of friend you are !

>and yet you don't know me and don't know how I grew up not caring and still don't care

You're in denial. Funny how this guy claims that not hitting your kids leads to narcissism but the guy who is advocating for child abuse in this thread is suddenly pulling the "You don't know me! I am too great for you to understand! My feelings trump your observations because I am full of grandiose delusions!" narcissist defense.

Guess what? You got hit because your parents took the lazy way out. They came up with an excuse to inflict violent harm upon you as a child and they intentionally misled you so that you would think that it was okay.

>You honestly just sound like a little weak bitch user

Here comes the delusion. That is really incredible. You have no idea what you're doing and you're intentionally disregarding the advice of those who know better than you because you can't let go of your childhood fears. If anyone here is a spineless bitch, it's you for failing to address your abusers

Just do it to your own girlfriend if you have one, I'm sure she secretly wants it but doesn't say. Much more satisfying to do it to a woman who loves ans trusts you. My girlfriend can't handle too much of it so I consider sex workers sometimes but I never do it because I'm not trying to get arrested

>I was jut raised differently and it worked, considering the circumstances now

it did not work, since you think it is ok to hit your own kids. That is illegal in 47 countries. Why????? Because hitting kids increases their probability of becoming violent criminals later in life.. You anons always talk about niggers being violent criminals. Did you know that 85% of black kids were hit as children? What do you think the number is for white kids? 10%. Yes, that's right 10%. Only retards and niggers hit their kids. Which are you?

t.shitty parent

I don't enjoy spanking, but when done righteously, it's just a chore, like any other.

I'm not your friend and he sounds like a weak bitch yes

>Much more satisfying to do it to a woman who loves ans trusts you

This is a window into the mind of an abuser - formed in early childhood by violence and inflicting it on those around him. You are really fucking despicable you prick