Weapon store owner, 59, SMILES as court hears how he shot and killed a ‘drunk’ special needs teacher, 31...

>Weapon store owner, 59, SMILES as court hears how he shot and killed a ‘drunk’ special needs teacher, 31, who broke into his home and took a shower - but he could be charged with first-degree murder
>Nathaniel Joseph Rosa, 31, was shot dead in Belfair, Washington, on Saturday
>Bruce Fanning, 59, was in court Monday on one count of second-degree murder
>Rose broke into Fanning's second home and began using his shower
>Fanning, who uses that home as an office and lives next door, spoke to him
>He says Rosa seemed drunk and made 'non-understandable verbal threats'
>Fanning got his gun from home and shot him; cops say he should've called 911
>They also don't believe he warned Rosa that he had a gun before he fired
>Prosecutors are now deciding if they should upgrade to 1st degree murder
>Rosa was staying near to Fanning's home while visiting his mom in the area

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All the shills are going to say this was actually murder.

so we let people with downs syndrome become teachers now?

what a joke washington has become

thats a good shooting

It was actual murder retard. Dude is smiling in court for fucks sake. Sometimes Sup Forums needs to use their head, supporting the murderer only makes us look worse.

>us
>pol needs to
>Sup Forums is one person

He's smiling cause this would be an open-and-shut case if he didn't live with liberal lunatics. The man was in his house and made threats while drunk, you're a moron.

There'll be a lot of edgy baitposters

I'd be smiling too if I'd stopped some Jew from wasting my shower water

...

Just nuke everything west of the Cascades senpai

if your definition of murder is based on the culprits satisfaction over their actions you're a fucking stupid idiot and youre wrong

>someone can't smile after doing something legal
>someone can't murder and feel remorseful

bottom line is the guy intruded, the homeowner is within his rights to defend himself. case closed, leave your stupid emotions up your ass where they belong, its overly sentimental fucks like you who have perverted the justice system

also sage for this shitty b8

>drunk home invader degenerate removed from the gene pool

It's murder - because he retrieved his gun and returned instead of calling 911.

I conceal carry and the one rule that really needs to be understood is that a threat has to exist or more foggy, a perceived threat, for it to be justified use of force.

You can't talk to him, come back and shoot him. If you have time to do that, you have time to call 911.

The castle doctrine will also not hold up on this one because he wasn't initially present.

They may let him plead down to voluntary manslaughter, but he'll do some time.

>in america, you have to look sad and act cucky in court after shooting someone, despite being within your legal rights

He should be able to jerk off in court, laughing manicly about how delicious it was to shoot him, because it was within the law

>You can't talk to him, come back and shoot him. If you have time to do that, you have time to call 911.
What if he threatened to come back and kill you if you call the cops? You gonna dial 911 and sleep with one eye open for the rest of your life?

Remind me again why alcohol is better than marijuana...

No you're gonna go back with your gun until the cops arrive.

"Who the fuck is in my house"
"*Response is a threat*"
> Better wait 45 mins for a cop to show up.

>shoot someone who broke into your fucking house
>fully within the law to do so
>shills calling this murder

Fuck off Reddit

This.


Dude is fucked. He had time to get his gun, he had time to call the cops.

>broke into his home

So he deserves to be dead then.

>you are a murderer if you smile in court no matter what the circumstances
Shill logic. Probably an Indian spic

>It's murder - because he retrieved his gun and returned instead of calling 911

I hate this shit. So what if he called the cops. The police would have shot the man dead themselves, and then it would have been justified since ..... Explain this retardation to me.

>>They also don't believe he warned Rosa that he had a gun before he fired
Inconsequential

If I were Bruce, I would want to be charged with 1st degree. That's an easy win right there.

does anyone else think there is something really odd about this story?


>drunk guy breaks into home to take a shower
>drunk guy doesn't even live in the area

Are we sure the 31yo guy wasn't a male escort or something?

did he have time to wait for the police to show up?

>didn't warn him he had a gun before he fired

Fucking bongs

The cops would also have announced themselves as law enforcement. If he didn't comply with their instructions, then deadly force may be justified if they perceived a threat. If they just walked up and shot him through the shower curtain, then they'd be charged with murder themselves.

It's really not rocket science.

Why would you ever live in a state without Castle Doctrine?

Is Daily Mail real or not I can't remember

You don't have to call the cops.

Nathan was shot dead in Belfair 2 hours away from his house...

why was he over there?

Are we sure Bruce isn't a serial killer?

He fucked up when he told them he went back to his house to retrieve his gun then shot this stupid bastard. He should've said that he thought someone was on his property and took his gun to go investigate then was confronted by a whacked out naked madman. Or better yet, he should've shut the fuck up in general until he consulted with a lawyer. Never ever, never ever never talk to the police famalams. Even if you're impossibly innocent, never talk to the police. They will fuck you in the asshole.

Why the fuck do you cucks think I have to hide in a room of my own house while some drunk tard-teacher fucks about in my home? Eat lead, nigger.

I don't have to let the intruder know that I know he's there. Stop with this shit.

>obvious conservative shot obvious liberal in The People's Republic of Washington
He's gunna get life desu.

The real crime is how the fuck does it take that long to go 51 miles??

Sounds like it's murder.

Before you get butthurt, I just posted in the other thread that you should immediately bury 5.56 in any skull of armed robbers.

This is correct.

Other than identifying yourself, the only words you should say in response to an officer questioning you is "I want an attorney."

>they dont believe the guy warned him before shooting
>but they believe he broke into this guys house PURELY to take a fucking shower and nothing else

LAND OF THE FREEEEEEE

Daily reminder that in Texas you can shoot someone fleeing with your property

nation.time.com/2013/06/13/when-you-can-kill-in-texas/

That's right bitch, you better take 520 stay the fuck out of my Bellevue. Poorfags need not respond.

>The cops would also have announced themselves as law enforcement. If he didn't comply with their instructions, then deadly force may be justified if they perceived a threat

Since when does the government have a monopoly on violence? The difference is they would have said "police". Now what if the guy said "police?". Then is it equivalent?

It's not murder you dolt. At best it's involuntary manslaughter. In any event, one more dumb commie is dead, so all of us are better off.

No you don't, but cops do.

However, when cops do show up to pick up the body, and you tell them you spoke with the intruder first and then shot him just because - then you're going to be charged.

Even if he broke in to burglarize the place you can't shoot in self defense unless you have a reasonable belief that someone is going to kill or seriously injure you

You also can't use deadly force in defense of property

Special needs is just icing on a prosecution cake, isn't it?

>break into house
>make threats to homeowner
>get shot
>man defending his home gets charged with 1st degree murder
I thought we lived in America

So they can take him to jail for the night, then he can come back with his halfway-house buddies and kill you and your wife?

He's violated your privacy and home before. He's threatened you. He's shown complete disregard for your safety and security. I'm sure those threats he screamed at you are just talk. Whoever met a vindictive dirtbag, after all?

You shot him because he was in your house and you legally could

>Washington
>no castle law
He's fucked.

why the fuck is this asshole a special needs teacher and hes out drunk breaking into peoples houses

He needs to sue the victims family for the water bill

>Other than identifying yourself, the only words you should say in response to an officer questioning you is "I want an attorney."
Interesting watch, everyone should take time to give this a look. Highly accurate.
youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE

>You also can't use deadly force in defense of property
Bullshit you can't. We have cases pop up every now and then here in Texas where a NEIGHBOR will go next door to shoot someone burglarizing the house, and it's totally legal.

>You also can't use deadly force in defense of property
Gee what's this then?
>Texas Penal Code § 9.42. Deadly Force to Protect Property

dumb fucker talking like you think you know your shit.

Should definitely upgrade to first degree murder.

Also want to thank another guntard for making the eventual rollback of their "rights" that much easier

WTF?

In that case, one party is actually law enforcement, while the other is committing a crime by impersonating law enforcement.

It'd be up to you do determine why a cop is naked taking a shower in your bathroom. Still doesn't necessarily justify shooting him though.

My house is your house amirite?

Nathaniel Joseph Rosa who was a male escort on the side (which he hid from his family/friends) went to go see Bruce Fanning (who promised him $$$ in exchange for sexual services). Bruce Fanning shot and killed him while he was cleaning himself in the shower. Not sure for what reason..maybe he was disgusted with himself and didn't have the $$$ he promised him. Bruce Fanning than made it look like he broke into the house before eventually calling the police.

Doesn't this seem like the most plausible situation? Nothing makes sense about this story. Why was Nathaniel two hours away from his place of residence at Bruce Fanning's 2nd home?

Yeah the guy is definitely fucked, and will for sure be charged with second-degree murder, and deservedly so.

Reminds me of that case here in Minnesota where the guy sat in his basement waiting for these kids who had been breaking into his house for weeks to come in one night, with a tape recorder recording his voice. Then when the little shits came in he shot the first one, and then as he was begging for his life shot him again.

Later that guys sister comes in and he shoots her too.

Now this guy in MN would have got off scott free if he just didn't make that creepy voice recording imo.

The guy in OPs story just should have said he walked in with a gun the first time and noticed a guy in his shower and fired at him when he noticed he was drunk and unruly and he would have got off too.

these type of people aren't very bright. just lie a little bit and quit acting creepy fellas

>You also can't use deadly force in defense of property

Except you can. Property is life. When the property is at risk of being rendered unrecoverable it is perfectly within reason to use deadly force. As this case illustrates.

Bitch about it all you want. That dead commie isn't coming back to life.

No, not if you tell the cop when zipping up the body bag that you retreated, got your gun, then shot him later.

You should really take a concealed carry class.

To become one with the retard, one must first go full retard.

nation.time.com/2013/06/13/when-you-can-kill-in-texas/

this could be true i think the story seems strange

Ain't no faggot cleaning his butthole in my shower. Take that shit elsewhere

nation.time.com/2013/06/13/when-you-can-kill-in-texas/

>If you need to get a gun, you don't need a gun
I suppose if I stumble upon an intruder in my home, and I'm not walking around with a loaded weapon in my hands, I should just stick my ass in the air and let him fuck me then kill me?

You stupid fucker.

>Texas Penal Code § 9.42
Wow in one state and only at night time, you really got me.

Also:

A person is justified in using deadly force against another to protect land or tangible, movable property:

(1)if he would be justified in using force against the other under Section 9.41; and

(2)when and to the degree he reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary:

(A)to prevent the other's imminent commission of arson, burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, theft during the nighttime, or criminal mischief during the nighttime; or

(B)to prevent the other who is fleeing immediately after committing burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, or theft during the nighttime from escaping with the property; and

(3)he reasonably believes that:

(A)the land or property cannot be protected or recovered by any other means; or

(B)the use of force other than deadly force to protect or recover the land or property would expose the actor or another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury.


>(2)when and to the degree he reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary:

>(B)the use of force other than deadly force to protect or recover the land or property would expose the actor or another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury.

It's weird because i could've swore that OP said Washington

>it's okay if naked strange men are in my home
lol, why?

absolutely this... ever fucking been to Belfair, wa?

Clearly very literate.

Not sure if you missed that part of progressiveness but autists and downs a-like have their own teachers, hence 'special needs teacher'

This. By their logic, if you have time to draw the gun from a holster or even pick it up out of a drawer you have time to call the police.

this was meant for this response

That's protection of property. I live in Texas and know the law. It's not applicable to what happened here.

No I'm comfy hiding among Tha asians in Bellevue.

God Bless Texas

What I don't understand is why the police need to be involved in home invasions. The guy has a right to defend his property from invaders. If someone refuses to get off your property, you should have a right to shoot them. If the guy had enough time to grab his gun and come back, the invader had enough time to leave and not get shot.

>Smiling in court when accused of murder

What the fuck?

You're obviously retarded. If he had a gun on him and shot him, he'd probably be fine. He left and got one, returned and killed him.

Once you extricate yourself from the threat, it's no longer justifiable use of force.

He's going down for murder.

And?
I agree because he lives in a cucked state he is fucked

The best defense is a strong offense. He already broke into his first home, why wait for him to break into his second?

I don't really know how I feel about this one yet. On the one hand, he really shouldn't have come back after he left the first time. Hard to say he really felt threatened. On the other hand, the fuck was that dude doing in a strangers house? Saying he was drunk doesn't really matter, being intoxicated doesn't grant you immunity to do whatever you want.

There might be better links to the Minnesota case, but this one gives a little background to the story. kek the guy was obviously a psycho.

youtube.com/watch?v=r6RGXGgTr6g

>not feeling bad about killing criminals makes you a psycho
OK reddit

You should write your legislator, but most states (actually probably all), even here in Texas, don't allow you to act quite that preventatively.

See then the law gets changed. How abouts you shoot him get the pointiest noses lawyer and then sue the first liberal rag that insults you for defamation and inciting threats and then retire to a rich area with your new jew gold and buy a bigger gun to shoot the next guy with.

>In that case, one party is actually law enforcement

You aren't answering the fundamental question tho. Since when do police have more rights than everyone else? If police can execute a guy for being uncooperative then why can't everyone?

Deal with the perverts in your shower first, worry about ZOG later.

>If someone refuses to get off your property, you should have a right to shoot them. If the guy had enough time to grab his gun and come back, the invader had enough time to leave and not get shot.

Yes I agree with this, but still there has to be a distinction between just executing someone who comes on your property. These two could have been having gay sex for all we know and they got into a lovers quarrel, so he made up this home invader story. He had a whole other property to go to to call the police in safety

God Bless Texas

>These two could have been having gay sex for all we know and they got into a lovers quarrel,
It is the prosecutor's job to prove their case
We don't convict people on what could have happened

He'll be fine. Making this case for Murder makes it obvious that he'll get off just fine.

Homicide—By other person—When justifiable.
Homicide is also justifiable when committed either:


(1) In the lawful defense of the slayer, or his or her husband, wife, parent, child, brother, or sister, or of any other person in his or her presence or company,
when there is reasonable ground to apprehend a design on the part of the person slain to commit a felony or to do some great personal injury to the slayer or to any such person;
and there is imminent danger of such design being accomplished; or
(2) In the actual resistance of an attempt to commit a felony upon the slayer, in his or her presence, or upon or in a dwelling, or other place of abode, in which he or she is.

[ 2011 c 336 § 354; 1975 1st ex.s. c 260 § 9A.16.050.]


This is from the criminal code of Washington. They don't call it the self-defense doctrine, but that's what it is.

So, Elements:

>of the Slayer
>reasonable ground
>to apprehend a design on the part of the slain to 1. commit a felony OR 2. do some great personal injury to the Slayer
>there is imminent danger of such design being accomplished

He probably doesn't meet the requirement for the final element. Unless he can affirmatively prove that he felt there was an imminent danger to himself when he fired his gun, he's going to have a rough time. An unknown person in your house without your permission is pretty much always going to give you a reasonable apprehension of danger, but reasonable apprehensions are not imminent threats.

Construing "imminent" is, of course, somewhat difficult. A clear cut case would be if the man was advancing upon him. Being drunk and apparently very disoriented, there would be little room for any other methods of deescalation. However, anything less clear cut than that scenario is going to be a difficult question for a jury to answer.

>threatening special man breaks into your home with intent to shower
>not having the right to kill him dead
What is wrong with liberals?

Why does no one unload below the waist? How much of a threat could someone be with a couple of capped knees? He fired 4 shits into this guys chest ffs

>You're obviously retarded. If he had a gun on him and shot him, he'd probably be fine. He left and got one, returned and killed him.
That means he can't use the "Stand your ground" defense. You realize there's more to defense of self and property than "stand your ground" right?

If what you said was true, cops could never shoot anyone, because they're extricated from any circumstances until they're called in.

Sometimes a 1-month prison sentence isn't ending the threat. Sometimes threatening to get a gun doesn't end the threat. Sometimes getting the gun and brandishing it doesn't end the threat. It's a man's duty to end a threat to his family. That's a foundational right of liberty.