MGTOW BTFO

MGTOW absolutely dismantled by Dr. Peterson.
How will they ever recover?
When did you realize that MGTOW was a complete farce?
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MGTOW is cringe, but he really didn't dismantle anything. He's over 50 years old and doesn't experience the experiences of millennials and other younger generations and the social and political atmosphere we're subjected to, as much as he might understand it.

Obviously swearing off women for the basis of all women being retarded sluts and too much to deal with is wrong, but so it is the notion that your problems with modern women is somehow your fault.

>"Maybe if you made the right sacrifices you wouldn't have so much trouble with women."

He's a little out of touch on this one, generally a well spoken man.

Stop being sorted.

When I first heard it. They remind me of feminists.

He absolutely did. He trashed the collectivist & imprecise nature of your thinking, and urged you to sort yourself out, rather than blaming a group collectively for the actions of a few. His claim is irrefutable except on a case by case basis, and is perfect advice for someone in MGTOW.

what i got from that is something along the lines of 'if you made the right sacrifice to eat healthy, exercise, and have the right mindset then you would be in a better position'

Correction -
your = MGTOW's

Jordan "I have no idea what I'm talking about" (((Peterson)))

t. roastie

exactly, take the time to sort yourself out first

I don't think he or you understand that men have to sacrifice more now than they ever had to before when it comes to common law relationships and marriages.

What are the right sacrifices and how does one know what the right sacrifices are?

What are the RIGHT sacrifices, and does he realize that there are newly created sacrifices we're supposedly supposed to adhere to?

read the first comment.

What I really get from this line of thinking is "You're on this Earth to make babies, if I have to walk through mud to do it so be it, if you have to walk through molten steel to do it so be it."

MGTOW are hacking the system. Better do something about it! They'll ruin our gravy train!

Or maybe if you hand stopped feminism and campaigned for fair divorce laws you would be better

But yea I think he doesn't know just how bad it is for men

You are not here for any reason but reproduction.

>tfw manlet
It's pointless for me to go MGTOW because my genes will not be missed.

So... His inference is basically "NAWALT"?

He doesn't get that MGTOW isn't against women as much as against the power women hold by default in the State.

>Or maybe if you hand stopped feminism and campaigned for fair divorce laws you would be better

Don't you think we're trying? We're trying all while being labeled sexists, JP should understand everything about that.

If he's going to say the problem with women is actually my fault, why can't someone argue the problem with trannies is HIS fault? Obviously he wouldn't agree on that.

I'm not stating otherwise, but to expect men to go through with that despite increasingly dire consequences it's only natural some are going to say: "You know what, fuck that."

I'm not one of those people. I love women and I want children, but it's not the same atmosphere Jordan is used to.

MGTOW is the antipode to feminism so it is worthy of criticism. But it does have a few salient points whereas feminism has none I can think of.

Grow a personality, lift weights and get a good job. If you have more strengths, it will make your weaknesses look less noticeable.

Tons of women want to fuck Robert Downey Jr and he's a manlet who never steps out of the house without wearing heels.

He's sort of right. Saying that you aren't going to bother with women because ALL women is cowardly. There are millions of decent women out there waiting to be molded by a strong man.
Also correct. He's too old to fully understand the current climate for young men.

Yeah, he's saying NAWALT.

How do we solve the NEET and MGTOW menace? They're enjoying life without obligations to welfare niggers, a corrupt government, and slutty cheating wives. We MUST stop them!

>NAWALT

Is this supposed to be a profound statement?

He doesn't mean sacrifices directly for the women themselves. He means, getting your shit together, not settling for porn/bad relationships, risking rejection and getting your feelings hurt, going to church regularly to find a good girl, etc. Landing a good woman is hard work, even harder now than ever.

I'm 3" shorter than him.

no one's saying no to bother with women, but to be aware of their nature
>no honor
>no loyalty
>selfish
>tendency to money branch
and in the modern age
>promiscous
>no morals
>no self control
>no respect

but wait, there's more
>feminism

>MGTOW is cringe
>is cringe
>cringe
You have to go back.

Not
All
Women
Are
Like
That.

>He doesn't mean sacrifices directly for the women themselves.

It's painfully obvious that's exactly what he means. he's too old to understand what's going on. He's only been thrown into the thresher the past year or two. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man; by then, it was nothing to me but blinding!

I get that, is this supposed to be a profound statement?

>not all Muslims!

>Is this supposed to be a profound statement?
yes, since he's implying that by you sorting yourself out, you'll be able to attract the right female

while overlooking the many (MANY) faults of women and the (((system))) that has bred these faults

DONT
FEED
THE
FEMINISTS/REDDIT

There is no reason to get married.
Just go to Nepal or whatever 3rd world shithole and get a surrogate to carry your white baby/ies.

L I F E

S O R T E D

Adapt to modernity.

You idiots, MGTOW is the creation of shills.

The point isn't to go out and live in the woods, it's to select out the whores by not choosing them.

Yes, that means you'll probably be marrying an obese autist, but when Chad rolls by with multiple 10/10 instagram whores ready to party, you can feel confident in yourself knowing your offspring will have potentially reduced degeneracy by 2% to even 3%.

thanx leaf.
you can stay

MGTOW would be better off hooking up with Asian women, swearing them all off is just retarded.

>yes, since he's implying that by you sorting yourself out, you'll be able to attract the right female

Wow, thanks for the obvious dipshit advice there Jordan. We get it.

What the fuck are you even talking about? Are you okay?

It's just a flawed argument.

You don't throw caution to the wind just because there are exceptions to the rule.

Are you retarded? Asian women are more fucking retarded than Western women. They act more like children and would cut your dick off for even being within 5 feet of another woman.

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GET FUCKED YOU MANLET BRAINLETS

you'll never win. on the day of the rope you and your roastie bitch get the bullet.

men aren't dirt for women. men are too fucking smart to be duped by feminist and tradcucks into slavery.

you man up bitch. you can pay for jamals 10 babies and also your wifes alimony

you sound exactly like a feminist

Heard in the context of the rest of his work, he clearly means the hard work of cultivating better mental health and leading a good life. Hell man, he smashes women who blame all men in the same speech. His point is that if your life is shit, then it's your responsibility to fix it. Blaming other people won't help.

He doesn't mean sacrifices directly for the women themselves. He means, sacrificing the women.

there's a difference
the post are pretty clear, i'm sure you know how to read

My life isn't all that shit. My life also has nothing to do with women viciously fighting back for whatever value their pussies used to be worth in all aspects of civil life.

>Blaming other people won't help.

But then he goes on to blame the individual for troubles he really has no understanding of.

I'm somehow the feminist in this? You're literally not making sense.

...

>point out that females have many faults which makes them unwanted
>point out that they're being manipulated by (((them)))
>sound like a feminist
sure is reddit here
a man would most likely know what mgtow is, while a female probably wouldn't, since it's not in their sphere of influence. unless they've been looking for a new target to claim as oppressor.

you keep making yourself seem either ignorant or as a female
>same thing

Peterson is a quack regurgitating Jung and for some reason Sup Forums sucks his dick but will eventually turn on him like everyone else.

I'm going to say this again: you are quite honestly not making any sense at all.

>a man would most likely know what mgtow is, while a female probably wouldn't
>therefore I'm a female

I didn't even say anywhere on this entire thread that I don't know what MGTOW is. What the fuck are you going on about?

what are you trying to say?
clarify, at least with a sarcastic post so we can get a gist of your thoughts, leaf

>he thinks it's a leaf

Jesus Christ, this is why you're not making any sense. You're new. Might want to try and take another look to see what flag that guy is wearing.

i meant to say NAWALT.
crossed some thoughts

>What are the RIGHT sacrifices [to attract a "loyal" mate]
You attain and maintain social status obviously. They leave if you lose too much status but that should also be obvious, it's how nature works.

fuck, it was a fellow burger.
damn, the rest of the post still stands tho.

what's he trying to point out.

>thanks leaf

>if you don't understand every single acronym you're a ignorant or female

You're by definition one of those two, not always the other. Try drinking less alcohol or doing less drugs when you're posting here.

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>MGTOW ABSOLUTELY DISMANTLED
>HOW WILL THEY EVER RECOVER

>You attain and maintain social status obviously.

That doesn't answer my question. What are the right sacrifices needed to be made in order to achieve that goal?

All the cliches. Better yourself, work hard, be kind and generous, lead by example, etc..

This is what normal people do, they aren't the sacrifices in the least and they're not the sacrifices JP is talking about.

>This is what normal people do
Yes, as opposed to broken MGTOWs

>not the sacrifices JP is talking about
Working hard is a sacrifice exactly like he is talking about, it's sacrificing your time now for a better future. Watch more of his stuff, he mentions sacrifice many times always in this context of facing everyday hardship, like in the story of Kain and Abel.

The key to understanding Peterson is having a traumatic world-ending event in your life and conquering it.

Most people on Sup Forums and everywhere else have not experienced that.

What about my position? I just like to cum on girls faces then send them on there way. I have the most fun doing this and it is better then any other relationships I have been in. Am I doing things wrong?

This is ridiculous. I'm asking you what sacrifices are needed to be made and your first response is saying the sacrifice is the end goal.

The sacrifice isn't the end goal, the end goal is congruent on the sacrifices of which you're still not being specific on.

>world-ending event in your life and conquering it

Help us understand what this was for JP, because I could argue the impending economic collapse and invasion of Islam is already a world-ending event. This guy doesn't realize that the same kids he is preaching to are going to be lying face down in the mud with rifles slung on their shoulders long after he's an elderly old man or dead.

A few live streams of him has him going on and on about the amazement of how the internet works and how many followers he had from different countries. He's back in 2007 while we're in 2017. He's out of touch it a lot of ways, but that doesn't mean he isn't intelligent.

>Mgtow: "I have no desire to get married"
>IF YOU EXAMINE THE MYTHOLOGICAL STORY, YOU'D UNDERSTAND ITS YOUR FAULT UR A VIRGIN LOSER

uhh, what is this guy talking about? Does he not understand the divorce rates? Does he not understand the ass backwards marriage laws? Does he not understand most women are not worth marrying?

Trad cucks have only one defence against mgtows, and that is shaming tactics. The shaming doesn't work at all because to become mgtow in the first place you have to ignore societal shaming.

Sorry, nothing personal, juice isnt worth the squeeze. You can provide for your wife thru alimony while she fuck Tyrone. I'll be in Pattaya with 2 asian sweeties

I'm not sure I agree with the good doctor on this one. If a man is to listen to a woman about why he's wrong, he will get turned into that woman's slave in our modern culture. A man cannot be taking advice from the average women on how to please women, that is literally the worst advice anyone could give a man who has trouble with women. Most men having trouble just can't relate to women because they live in different universes, and women are more of a hive mind, so if your an outsider of the hive mind it will be difficult as female outsiders are in short supply. Thankfully, the new generation will be red pilled as fuck, so quality men can have quality females and we can banish mansluts and femmsluts to an island where they can all relish in their diseases together

>I'm asking you what sacrifices are needed to be made

I am pretty sure you can shoot yourself in the face, try that then get back to us.

Degenerate.

MGTOW is shit but jordan is a retarded cuckold bitch, using feminist arguments

when will the retarded infatuatuion with this pseudo-intellectual fuck end?

the only worthwhile thing he has done is to stand up for free speech, too bad he has nothing else of value to say

I've had that and I still think the guy is a psychobabble hack

i agree about asian women, they seem nice, too bad it's impossible to start a conversation with most of em or hear what they say in response ahhaha

I'm pretty sure you're a faggot and if you're having trouble understanding what two people are debating you shouldn't jump into the conversation.

freedom of speech is 20x more important than this subject though...so even after this I stand with him. I'm no mgtow but I'm genuinely afraid to sleep with most women and the effort it takes is immense unless you are getting really lucky but then she's probably a slut unless she's young and I'm gettin older haha

>"if you look at the mythological stories..."
>#notallwomen
not an argument

See, no argument. You can't rstionallu convince a man to marry in this day and age because we all know it's a scam. If you're some collectivist 1488 moron, go ahead slave away to some whore all your life. For men who want to enjoy their lives, mgtow is the only way

Fuck off already you fucking cancuck


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Yeah, that is why the other guy has stopped responding, You lost all logical fucking rationality when he gave you clear concise answers. So now you have to deal with me bitch.

Please reread

Peterson is bluepilled on women.
>dude just ask 50 women for their phone number, its that easy XD

I know 3 people close to be who take mgtow very seriously and claim to be redpilled.

-pushing 30, living at home
-work part time mcjobs
-smoke a lot of dope
-overweight
-poor hygiene

He's against oversimplification and too broad of categorization so this makes sense. How can all men or all women be the same and part of the same problem when the more likely fault lies with the individual? How many times have you seen a batshit crazy woman who blames all men for her failed relationships even though millions of men and women have successful relationships? It's the same if you reverse the genders. Shitty people get rejected and then they blame an outsider category or people such as all of one gender.

They're ejecting from the system and will be weeded out by natural selection. For all it matters they might as well just commit suicide since they'll never reproduce or matter in the long term.

The other guy stopped responding because he wasn't making any sense. There is nothing logical with what he was saying.

>what are the right sacrifices to achieve the goal?
>You attain the goal

>dude just ask 50 women for their phone number, its that easy XD
you are right it is even easier. if you are honest with yourself about what level of women you should be going for based on your genetics.

>Does he not understand the divorce rates? Does he not understand the ass backwards marriage laws? Does he not understand most women are not worth marrying?


You honestly sound like a fucking nigger, saying the system does not work for you because you are black so you have to go out and steal shit Tyrone. Why don't you stop acting like a fucking nigger.

It is a personal fucking question that I am sure is open to interpretation. How can anyone know what is in your heart you homosexual retard and how to accomplish it you cum drinking twat. Stop being a fucking lard ass jack ass and ask yourself.

Well, this was interesting but I don't really agree with him

>is this mentality healthy?
I have no idea, but it I guess

You can stop being retarded and posting pepes at anytime.

Mgtows reject the system because the laws suck. Yea probably they can't find any women they want to marry either. To pretend that there is some perfect unicorn girl I can find and breed with is kind of silly. 60% of marriages are divorces, you want to take a chance go ahead

Any real argument to be made, or am I a theif nigger or something

FPBP.

My fucking goal in life is to post pepes and call you a fucking faggot.

This is my god damn sacrifice and it is achieving the fucking retarded objective.

This guy's an idiot. The point is that the legal framework to strip you of everything and have you on the hook for indentured servitude is there. It doesn't matter whether "every woman" uses it, or only "some women" use it, for some people the risk is not worth the reward.

He's completely missing the point.

No one wants to date them. So to protect their ego they reframe their situation as being a choice.

What you're actually doing is just wasting posts in the thread, but go right ahead.

I don't fucking know Tyrone you dindunuffins and the system is just stacked against you

I gave examples of the kind of sacrifices that lead to higher status but you already know the specific sacrifices you have to make better than me, you are just arguing to justify not taking responsibility.

>It's the same if you reverse the genders
Is that what this movement is about? I thought it was about just not getting married/legally tied down with a single woman, not going monk and swearing off women in general.

Could be wrong tho, never really cared to find out more about it even if I theoretically fit the bill for it.

Nice flag

if you cross this bridge you may die, but if you dont cross this bridge you will definitely die.

>mfw mtgow wont cross the bridge

People get Mgtows confused with incels. Sure many mgtows are just saying they're mgtow cause they couldn't get laid anyways. But there are successful men that are mgtow because they're red pilled on the scam that is marriage