Hello Comrades. This general is for the discussion of Marxism-Leninism, the ideology of revolutionary socialism and communism.
Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage.
What exactly is communism according to Marxist-Leninists:
>Communism is a stage of society in which the productive infrastructure is socially owned, and goods are produced not in order to sell for profit, but in order to meet a social need. >Communism in it's full form is a stateless, classless society that follows the maxim "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need." >To achieve such a society Marxism-Leninism teaches us that we must replace the capitalist state, which is controlled by the capitalist class, by a socialist state, which is controlled by the working class. Then, a period of class struggle follows in which the capitalist class is liquidated by the working class. When the capitalist class has been completely vanquished, there will be only one class, the working class, and eventually the functions of the state will become indistinguishable from the functions of the society as a whole, and the state as such will 'wither away' as Marx said. marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/
Communism has done nothing but undermine the core aspects of civilisation which are family and duty.
In order to save the West, you focus on its core elements - the family, marriage - strengthen them, stop them from being undermined, and honour your duties.
Man is lost, they are ignoring their biological purpose, they have their head in the prison of infinite choice.
It's time to go back to what made our civilisation prosper in the first place, it's time to go back to family...
For everything you need to know about communism, see attached pic.
Owen Diaz
>Muh comrades, I'm too pathetic and lazy to get a job so I will support an ideology that has never worked.
Parker Ward
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Owen Martinez
>there will be only one class, the working class, and eventually the working class will become the new capitalist class fixdthat
Nolan Walker
checked nd rekt communism btfo forever
Colton Clark
How is the right wing any different from the truth? The truth is just the extended version of the right wing.
Josiah Hernandez
It's another edition of NEET larping as revolutionaries
Benjamin Perez
I wish you communist faggots would make like the people in real communist countries and try to swim your way on a door with people shooting at you to freedom in your retarded faggot communist utopia.
Asher Bailey
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Dominic Phillips
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Logan Morgan
>it is the fault of capitalism for all the niggers dying from inability to sustain themselves next you're going to tell me a world with communism will have no hurricanes
Ayden Wood
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Ryder Williams
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Adam Martinez
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Luis Ortiz
Obligatory.
Joshua Davis
Fresh off the boat from reddit, kid? heh I remember when I was just like you. Braindead. Lemme give you a tip so you can make it in this cyber sanctuary: never make jokes like that. You got no reputation here, you got no name, you got jackshit here. It’s survival of the fittest and you ain’t gonna survive long on Sup Forums by saying stupid jokes that your little hugbox cuntsucking reddit friends would upboat. None of that here. You don’t upboat. You don’t downboat. This ain’t reddit, kid. This is Sup Forums. We have REAL intellectual discussion, something I don’t think you’re all that familiar with. You don’t like it, you can hit the bricks on over to imgur, you daily show watching son of a bitch. I hope you don’t tho. I hope you stay here and learn our ways. Things are different here, unlike any other place that the light of internet pop culture reaches. You can be anything here. Me ? heh, I’m a judge.. this place…. this place has a lot to offer… heh you’ll see, kid . . . that is if you can handle it..
Andrew Gonzalez
It's a fallacy because you don't know how many pepole who would have been killed if communism had been the dominating power in this world.
"We have eradicated every other disease than the cold and it kills thousand of people every year!" "The cold is the deadliest disease to ever have existed."
Grayson Ross
>it's a 2 autistic NEETs from /leftypol/ reply to each-other all day long and accomplish nothing episode
Caleb Moore
wow edgy scary place, post some tortured dogs or something hurry
Ethan Perry
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William Adams
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Alexander Ross
that's a strange posture to fuck comrade
Bentley Moore
This ain't the right place for this. They are beyond salvation. >Btw I'm communist
Jaxon Harris
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Benjamin Hall
Someone kill this communist trash.
Nathan Parker
Lets not forget China and Mao! >Millions of people in China were violently persecuted during the Cultural Revolution. Those identified as spies, "running dogs", "revisionists", or coming from a suspect class (including those related to former landlords or rich peasants) were subject to beating, imprisonment, rape, torture, sustained and systematic harassment and abuse, seizure of property, denial of medical attention, and erasure of social identity. At least hundreds of thousands of people were murdered, starved, or worked to death. Millions more were forcibly displaced. Young people from the cities were forcibly moved to the countryside, where they were forced to abandon all forms of standard education in place of the propaganda teachings of the Communist Party of China. Some people were not able to stand the torture and, losing hope for the future, committed suicide. One of the most famous cases of attempted suicide due to political persecution involved Deng Xiaoping's son, Deng Pufang, who jumped (or was thrown) from a four-story building after being "interrogated" by Red Guards. Instead of dying, he became paraplegic. In the trial of the so-called Gang of Four, a Chinese court stated that 729,511 people had been persecuted, of whom 34,800 were said to have died.
Colton Jones
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Carter Moore
Dat NKVD. >Following the German invasion of the Soviet Union on June 22, 1941, the NKVD (Soviet Secret Police) in Lvov began carrying out mass executions of prisoners in the jails on Kamierswska, Leona Spaieky, and Zamarstynowska streets before retreating into the USSR. The victims were mostly Ukrainian nationalists, but also included Polish and Ukrainian intellectuals, as well as some Jews. When German troops arrived in Lvov on June 30, they found over 4,000 corpses of men, women and children in the NKVD prisons, many of whom showed signs of torture, rape, and mutilation. The actual number of victims is difficult to ascertain, due to the fact that two of prisons' basements were filled with bodies from floor to ceiling, making passage into further rooms, which presumably contained more bodies, impossible. Confronted with such a large number of corpses, the German authorities laid out for identification those bodies suitable for transport found on the upper stories of the prisons, but chose to seal the entrances to the basements after covering the victims with lye. collections.ushmm.org/search/catalog/pa1153801
Jeremiah Campbell
Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.
Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.
Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:
>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD >Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD >To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people. gommies.gom/fug/ gommies.gom/starve/
----------------------------------------- Da sdages of gommunism.
>Sdage one Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.
>Sdade two Withering All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.
>Sdage three Gommunism. No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.
Xavier Johnson
>degenerates and enemies of the country and people are given justice >this is bad somehow
Jacob Cook
>Philosophy has evidenced a subversive element from its inception. Plato’s Apology tells how Socrates was condemned by the Athenian citizenry for corrupting the morals of the young and doubting the gods. There was some truth to that complaint. Socrates called conventional wisdom into question. He subjected long-standing beliefs to rational scrutiny and speculated about concerns that projected beyond the existing order. What became known as “critical theory” was built upon this legacy. The new philosophical tendency was generated between World War I and World War II, and its most important representatives would wage an unrelenting assault on the exploitation, repression, and alienation embedded within Western civilization.
>Critical theory was conceived within the intellectual crucible of Marxism. But its leading representatives were from the start dismissive of economic determinism, the stage theory of history, and any fatalistic belief in the “inevitable” triumph of socialism. They were concerned less with what Marx called the economic “base” than the political and cultural “superstructure” of society. Their Marxism was of a different variety. They highlighted its critical method over its systematic claims, its concern with alienation and reification, its complicated relationship with the ideals of the Enlightenment, its utopian moment, its emphasis upon the role of ideology, and its commitment to resist thedeformation of the individual. This complex of themes constitutes the core of critical theory as it was conceived by the leading figures of “Western Marxism”: Karl Korsch and Georg Lukács. These two thinkers provided the framework for the critical project that later became identified with the Institute for Social Research—or “the Frankfurt School.”
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David Cox
>The Frankfurt School had always considered establishmentarian philosophies as obstacles to bringing about a liberated society. Its members condemned the preoccupation with absolute foundations, analytic categories, and fixed criteria for verifying truth cclaims. They saw two main culprits: phenomenology , with its set ontological claims about how individuals experience existence, and positivism , with its demand that society be analyzed according to the criteria of the natural sciences. Both were attacked for treating society in a-historical terms and eliminating genuine subjectivity.
>Critical theory was intended as an alternative. It was fueled by a transformative intent and a particular concern with the culture of modern life.
>These thinkers became champions of an experimental modernist art and, in the charged climate of the postwar period, an “Aesopian” form of convoluted writing that shielded their radical beliefs.
>>“Negative dialectics” anticipated many concerns associated with postmodernism and poststructuralism. So much so, in fact, that they are now often treated as expressions of critical theory. Deconstructive or poststructuralist approaches invaded the most prestigious journals and disciplines ranging from anthropology and film to religion, linguistics, and political science. They generated new insights on race and gender as well as the postcolonial world.
Sounds a lot like cultural marxism tbph
Nicholas Cooper
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Lucas Brown
>degenerates and enemies of the country and people are given justice ((country and people)) Neglect to mention he killed his own people. Not invaders. No immigrants. People suspected of not wanting him in power. And why would they? Communism leaves a population starving when it depends on people working for NOTHING more than the pride of their country. Pride in one's country is proper.. but not at the point of a gun.
William Reed
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Lucas Martinez
That pretty interesting. I've known those things were connected but it's compelling to read the progression of these ideas.
Mason Reyes
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Carter Richardson
It's not a hit piece either. Written by a Marxist academic in 'Critical Theory: A Very Short Introduction' which you can read online.
Joseph Bailey
Well I always knew you were a faggot this just confirms it
Oliver Hughes
(you) guys really nailed it
Anthony Cruz
Interesting most of the pro- communism posts are from Spain. hmmmm. Well I don't think I'll convince you buddy.
Aaron Turner
I started reading the Communist manifesto recently, and my mind was absolutely astounded.
I do not understand how an employer paying his workers his still exploiting them? I think this requires an insight as to what money even is which, from a liberal perspective, I think just a form conentrated labor. Another thing I fail to understand is how exactly the means of production can be owned collectively. I don't mean to meme here, but what's the collective's end game?
Mill always said that the best way to learn about an idea is not from another critic or college professor, but from an ideologue of that idea.
Brody Cox
Stop rehashing our memes; or at the very least, work on your shop skills.
Nathaniel Green
No the idea is that selling your own goods and working for yourself to be self-reliant are much more just and efficient.
Dominic Johnson
I truly agree with that. This is why I own all of Plato's works; as well as The Prince by Niccolò Machiavelli. I think its one of those thing you can be grateful that you learn in time. Its like playing the game 'telephone' because by the time the info gets to you its already had everyone's stink on it.
Blake Robinson
>Communism >Self reliant
Aaron Bailey
>implying capitalism is inherently exploitative
Julian Scott
>implying it isn't
Wyatt Jackson
>yet another communist thread immediately ruined by facts, sound reasoning and examples of why it will literally NEVER work
kekked, better dead than red faggots
Aiden Murphy
Didn't the guy who drew your "le capitalist face" piece of propaganda get shot by your retarded system?
Brandon Williams
Communism is an ideal world imagined up by NEET who never worked an honest day in their life
Hunter Ortiz
>He said in his delusion
Cooper Hughes
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Ian Powell
>Abhorrent leaf >communist They day of the rake can't come sooner
Kayden Morris
At least those tortured dog posters aren't as pathetic as that one guy who photoshopped anime girls into commieshit propaganda
Jason Collins
Assad still going strong.
Grayson Bailey
Something something poo.
Jackson Roberts
Keep fighting the good fight user.
Gavin Morales
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Dominic Peterson
What will you do in if I want to trade things in your utopia? Kill me? Or let me continue my free trade? Because both of those sound pretty darn stupid from the perspective of commies.
Kevin Wright
I realize that the idea is to make man more free by giving him a better system to govern himself, his community, and his governmant-- but at some point you have to look at it, this [communism]. No matter how much you hate the other options that are out there like Capitalism, you have to recognize that its an ideology that DOES NOT WORK.
No it doesn't work. and pointing out .. >but capitalism is awful doesn't make communism better. Communism is worse if you would just take out the yard stick and measure the two.
John Jenkins
If by fighting you mean posting animu without any discussion then yeah he is fighting the good fight
Henry Reed
cyka blyat?
Andrew Ward
cancer
Angel Lewis
HIJO DE LA GRAN PUTA
Camden Jackson
just make bait
Jace Davis
>insisting it doesn't work >every time, it failed due to sabotage, not due to inherent flaws How about I break your legs, and then say that you can not run?
Nathan Jones
What? capitalists will never know the pleasure of comradeship, capital over comrades.
Liam Kelly
oh yeah. Clearly came from somewhere else. Why would you come to Sup Forums and post anime as the bases for your argument? and Communist Anime at that..
Carson Hall
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Samuel Diaz
More like breaking your own legs and trying to run. Don't complain when people point out your retarded decision.
Hunter Cruz
This is retarded; it hardly has any meaning. Is that fat bastard supposed to be talking to his employers? Is he paying them for holding him up?
Xavier Young
>Pol Pot killing people who wore glasses was somehow the USA's fault
Aiden Roberts
>every time, it failed due to sabotage, not due to inherent flaws A robust institution should be resistant to outside influence. Capitalism persisted through the Cold War. Commie cucks just couldn't compete.
Thomas Cruz
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Jacob Bailey
In a communist/socialist society, she would not be allowed to have nailpolish or colored hair. Let alone the short pants. Gotta love munchkins who have not survived the socialist hellhole promoting it as if it were something good.
Connor Bailey
She's hot but the attire is not proper for a socialist society.
>every time, it failed due to sabotage, not due to inherent flaws
That's not a good enough argument, user.
It doesn't matter if the result is always failure. People are not without flaw and that is something that a government needs to be able to withstand. Its own people. Without having to kill them in massive numbers. But that is always communism's solution when that problem comes up.
Christian Smith
yaw
Caleb Martin
>she
Luis Stewart
This. Why should she have the such luxuries when there are millions of starving niggers to feed?
Actually, I am a socialism survivor. The niggers would be in KOOPs (cooperatives), the issue with the clothing is that she is wearing decadent western clothes, and the hair promotes decadence as well. We had girls having their hair butchered down to size in schools, don't get me started if a boy were to have a bit longer hair than "almost none". To the principal, to home, to barbershop, if not to a party representative for some good old fashioned education with the baton in the elbow.
Grayson Hernandez
Because
Chase Roberts
It's sad to see spain and greece falling to the (((marxists))) bullshit while nearly every other white nation become more and more far right.
Jacob Cruz
>every other white nation become more and more far right They haven't, though.
Lucas Allen
Yes I forget you fags.
John Harris
You lived in a particular socialist state, not communism then....
Owen Jones
>Actually believing this
Noah Long
You are not a white nation, don't butt in, leaf. Most European countries are leaning more and more to the right. Hell, our furthest to the left "liberals" (read: a bit center left) are all for removal of all migrants and closing the borders.
Matthew Adams
Thank you for saying as much. There really is a lot of literature and movies of first hand accounts of what living in these places is like. One of the oldest is the fiction Dr Schiwago by Boris Pasternak that served as a tale about soviet Union's October Revolution. I think writer Boris Pasternak won the Nobel Peace prize for that book.
