Was there any scenario in which Hitler could have won the war?

Was there any scenario in which Hitler could have won the war?

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no he was stupid and an anti-semite. I personally disavow him for the 6 million jews he killed.

Dropping dead in 1941

Yes, if Jews weren't pushing England and the USA to fight the wrong enemy.
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Google the names. It's fucking true.

There are like thousends of things he could have done better

Got any proof? Btw his name will live on for centuries. Yours will not.

All scenarios that have Germany winning do not involve Hitler and his absolute retardation in strategy and geopolitics.

Don't let anyone meme you, there was no feasible way of victory

Hitler would have easily won the war and we would be typing in German if he didn't do one thing. The invasion of Soviet Russia by the Nazis solodified their defeat. Hitler / Stalin alliance for the entire war would have meant allied defeat.

Yes. Hitler, like the US in Vietnam, allowed politics to interfere with his military strategy.

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Great lecture on the topic.

Maybe he's actually Donald Trump and he's browsing Sup Forums? In that case you would be wrong.

>still believing in the greatest lie in human history
not an argument, cuck

How do you explain all the video footage, how do you explain the disconnect of Hitler calling for the annihilation of the Jews and your claim that he never did it? How do you explain the piles of bodies?

What if he never invaded Russia, stopped with France, and just took a defensive strategy with Britain, regroup, and try and broker some deal with the U.S and cut ties with Japan?

By creating a nuke

Had he not besieged the Stalingrad, he might have had a chance.

Not having sided with Italy, and so he could've launched the barbarossa earlier

How fucking new are you? He called for the removal of Jews from Germany and later Europe. They sent 60.000 of them to Palestine (called the Haavara Agreement).

The piles of bodies were because railways were bombed by the allies, and feeding Jews and other prisoners were not a priority. The bodies in those pics aren't even decomposed, so all it proves is that many people died of typhus and starvation the last week of the war.

Oh, and typhus was the reason there were a bunch of Zyklon B cans in Auschwitz, for delousing.

Attacking the USSR 2 months earlier.

Operation Barbarossa was total strategical failure
A many people thinks that invasion to russia failed because of winter or some shit but thats bullshit Germany was prepared for winter but critical point was logistic.
Germany was counting on they will capture enough russian trains (russians railways had different track gauge so german was useless) to keep up stretched supply lines.
Once they lost momentum all was lost, they wasnt prepared for a long war

Probably would have needed to drop France too. Too much land to control without full war economy. Too many people wanting germans dead.

Very interesting. Thanks for posting.

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>Liberating Britannia
>Launch Operation Barbarossa earlier and listen to his top military heads.
>Get the Japanese to help
>Don't declare war on the US
>A wonder weapon would help too.

Should have put the pressure on at Dunkirk. Getting rid of the Anglos would've helped focus better on the russian horde, freeing up much needed resources for that front. But considering the jews would've eventually brought in the US, it might've been for naught. The Russians always use scorched earth tactics to lure their enemies in.

Not killing millions of Europeans could have helped.

Had Hitler successfully occupied Stalingrad and repelled the counter assault, then Germany could've starved the Soviets from that sweet Caucus Oil, and he the Western Front could've been more properly maintained. His grave mistake was underestimating the Slavs, thinking he could imitate Finnish results with Operation Barbarossa, and that costed him the war.

Their tactics were top notch, but their grand strategy was also shit, unlike the Allies

he should have waited until he started his stupid invasion in russia.

By not killing the jews until he got europe

Kind of is.

Hitler's death in 1941 might have actually given Germany a chance. Even after war with USSR was launched.

He made a deal with Japan to declare war against the US after they bombed Pearl Harbor. If he had stabbed them in the back like when he invaded Russia after making a deal with them who knows what would've happened

Not being such a power hungry faggot and attacking the USSR, Strasser bro's were right pretty much

Winning eastern front not getting multiple armies destroyed for no reason

You shitters shouldn't have started that shit in Danzig. You guys lost like 60% of your population due to the war. Which was more than likely bolsheviks committing war crimes against you. Now your population is comprised of German/Slav rape babies turned plumbers.
Inb4 a fucking leaf
Canada was never good. You guys used to be based. I guess you still are, but my fuck you guys get on our level of stupid sometimes

yeah

dont go telling britain to join him but only if he helps destroy america and give australia and nz to the japs

kinda pisses people off and gets his cities bombed

he should of just said he will leave britain alone and not interfere with ANY of its colonies

also he should of treated poland better,if britain didnt join then neither would of america

French people didn't want Germans dead they welcomed them as liberators from their own exploiters.

many jews fought in ww1 for germany

he should of waited till he won before he gassed them

he should of also been more picky on who to gas

there is many polacks on here with a bit of jew blood that love europe...gassing them is pointless

Perhaps if he hat treated Ukrainians and Byelorussians better, they were quite willing to resist Stalin's rule and could have provided the manpower and aid Hitler needed to win during the crucial months from Winter 1941-1942

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Russia would have invaded anyways, the only feasible way to win was to completely obliterate britian before US joined the war.

Stalin was going to attack. He was just industrializing quickly via gulags and buying himself time with the peace treaty

Yes.
Actually, you could say there are more scenarios where Hitler could have won than anything else.
He made a lot of poor decisions, like helping Italy when he didn't need to, declaring war on the US to help Japan, allowing the shameful display at Dunkirk to ever happen, trying to avoid civilian casualties during the bombings in London.
Hitler wasn't a military commander, he was a politican and an idealist and he acted like it
If he had left the military decisions to his generals, he would have probably steam rolled the allies with ease.

maybe if he didnt ally Japan he would have never went to war with the US also

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Why was Italy a mistake?

Didnt he attack USSR because he thought they were on a rampage to destroy all of Europe?

no likely

Didnt he attack USSR because he thought they were on a rampage to destroy all of Europe?

That's because they wanted to be liberated from their capitalistic thrives liars and exploiters

Germany had to intervene in Greece, delaying Barbarossa and giving Stalin months of prep time
Having Italy as an ally wasn't a mistake, helping them in Greece was. Their treaty said that they had to defend each other if they were attacked, but Italy invaded Greece, so Hitler had no obligation to help them

Hitler called for the annihilation of the Jews in his Reichstag Speech.

Us was irrelevant.

Not invading Russia
What the fuck did he think was going to happen?

Wouldn't have been that bad desu, you can't say East Germany under Soviets doesn't look better than modern Germany, sort of Prussian socialism

What piles of bodies? According to you people they burned 9 bodies at once to ashes in 15 minutes at Auschwitz in a single oven

Operation Typhoon
>Only 12 miles from the Kremlin
Combination of logistics and the Russian screw over 1st Army Group and Gen. Fedor von Bock

Two key reasons Hiltler lost. He didn't bolster the wolf packs. Churchill stated it was the german uboats that could have one the war. Hitler also started a two front war with USSR. He over extended his army...

The Italians tried to warn Germany that they weren't ready and Von Ribentrop ignored them because he was a tard

Hitler liberated France with higher culture, technology, civilization, higher wages, free healthcare, free education and full employment.

Which is why it was a bloodless liberation.

You're fucking retarded.

He called for the deportation of Jews from Europe, but you don't understand German anyway.

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Honestly.. if he didn't gas a bunch of people he would've had alot more support and probably would've taken the entire planet. The gassing should've came after victory

Only if the JEW-S-A Never existed
You Fucking Subhumans are to blame for this crap

>Was there any scenario in which Hitler could have won the war?
Sure, if the Jewmericans hadn't shilled for their zionist masters.

Of course not.
Hitler did nothing wrong.
Everybody knows that.

He should have reined in his generals a bit more and aimed the German economy completely towards war several years before he actually did.
You're also fucking retarded.

Italy was literally a mistake in general, they completely butchered just about every operation they took a part in, Mussolini knew that Italy would not be ready for war until 1942 minimum but let his greed control him leading to him entering the war in 1940.

Whilst Italy proved harder to invade than Western Europe, due to Kesselring's masterful strategies, the Germans would not have to split their forces any more.

Italy was a mistake.

>France
>bloodless

dumbass

Not a chance in hell

If Sweden, Spain, Turkey, Iceland joined the axis, if Mussolini actually had a well trained army and if the Baltic states and other S.S.R states had rebelled against the Soviets then Hitler would have won.

France was a bloodless liberation after dealing with counter revolutionaries mercenaries.

It did not matter because Mussolini was foolish enough to pursue an alliance with Germany despite the advice of his cabinet as well as the people's general wishes. Hell Italy declared itself non-belligerent when WW2 started, if Mussolini had not been so greedy to take advantage of France's defeat, Italy could have survived WW2 unmolested.

also bump

While this is technically true, it leaves out one important fact. Invading the USSR was his end goal all along, and the war with the western allies was a sideshow triggered by their backing of Poland. Sure he could have won by never fighting the USSR, but the war would never have happened in the first place if he didn't plan to.

More so because the soviets didn't bring in a pile of islamic lunatics. Good god modern Germany is a sick joke that's gone on too long. Canada is shitty, but nobody gives a fuck about us. Watching modern France and Germany is fucking sad.

Dat Spanish rif tho, Spain should have deported the moors there and repopulate with Spanish to guard the entrance to europe

Question. Why are all the bodies naked except for the one lain out seperate from the group, who is obviously wearing a concentration camp getup? This pic still reeks of propoganda.

very true, i always found it pretty strange that every left spain and sweden mostly to their own devices.

By not going east.

Attacking Russia was a mistake. Also attacking England was a mistake. He should have called a truce with England after capturing France.

He didn't attack England, England invaded Germany

If Russia, UK and US didn't intervene, Germany would have won. If just the UK, 5/6 pickem. When they invaded Russia, it was over.

I agree, but the men believed in the cause as well.
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Bolsheviks (((they))) were and have always been the true enemy.

Stalin believed in Socialism In One Country. The reason why attacked the neighboring states was because he wanted to establish the iron curtain, a buffer between Russia and the world. It makes sense, because most of Russian History was brittle with wars from every side, from the Mongols, from the Poles, and from the Scandinavian Vikangz, and he wanted a buffer to stop the wars from being in Russia's backyard. Stalin wanted to internalize Socialism and build up the only country that had a successful Communist Revolution, which was the opposite of Global Communism, which really pissed off the Marxists, especially Leon Trotsky. Hitler could've ignored the Soviets and honored the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact, but he got cocky and made claim for Greater Germany's Lebensraum, and thought he could devastate the "incompetent" Soviet Military, after Russia's embarrassing Finnish War.

agreed, Hitler rushed into the war to fast and had very little in the way of allies. I dont know if he was expecting france and the UK to not defend Poland or if he was just overconfident but he certainly wasnt good at Grand Strategy.

Easy answer: Less offense, more defense

Spain had little tactical import to the allies, so its position as a Fascist state, even though it gave some help to the Germans in the form of Blueshirts, was ignored as long as they remained neutral.

Swedish Iron and steel was far important to the German war effort, I have no doubt Hitler would have invaded if he had the time, but the damage that could be done by shutting off the steel industry even for weeks could have seriously hampered the German War effort.

Not really. The whole thing was lost before it started. Only way out was being able to depend on Russia which seems to have been impossible.

Oh the newfags...

>Be Nazi Germany 1940
>Barely have any resources youself, get your shit mostly from Sweden and the USSR with other bits and pieces from Italy.
>Military rather shit in 1939, stall a bit to build up the military to stop Anglo and French forces in the west
>Be Stalin, try to take Finland and as a result, probably threaten Sweden if I would have won
>Take the baltic states
>Invade Rumania and stopping 150 miles before the oil fields
>have submarines in the baltic sea
>In 1940, with a single order, Stalin could stop all resources going into Germany, stopping their own shipments, destroying the supply lines from Sweden and stop Romanian oil going to Germany
>Would be death sentence for Germany because they West could have just waited and watch how the nazis literally run out of fuel and then game over
>Inb4 Stalin was gud boy, he would have never invaded when the time is right... while increasing infantry from 900k to 5.5 million and tanks up to 30k in 2-3 years
>Be Nazi Germany
>Must decide a "do or die mission" to remove the Soviets in your back. You ignore the soviets, you die, you invade and lose, you die. You invade and win quick, you win because without an eastern front threat and the additional land, manpower and resources gained, the allies could not get into European mainland.
>go for do or die biggest invasion in human history, buttfucking 80% of the huge soviet military in the first 3-4 months
>only the combined effort of the 3 biggest empires on the planet can stop you even though you didn't have much to begin with.

The destruction of the soviet military was crucial to keep Europe safe from communism. Would they have ignored the USSR, ran out of fuel, then the Soviets would have steamrolled Europe in record time before the allies would have been able to put a relevant force onto the mainland.

>inb4 communism wasn't expansionist.

1. we have an entire board for this 2. probably, if he didn't try to be a general, and let his high command do their jobs

he could have made a nuclear bomb before america, but he though they already had one already so he decided not to make it because of MAD

Actually the German's plans were not optimal, but a policy of aggression especially as they employed against Russia did have merit and founding. German intelligence pointed out that Stalin was preparing for an invasion, and any idiot could see that the third five year plan was at the very least gearing up the CCCP for War. He however, should have been more malleable in his racial policies until after the war, or perhaps accepted the peace offering from the Soviets through the Bulgarian embassy in late 1941.

Pressure Japan not to join the war until Germany defeats both the Soviets and Britain. It was Japan who got America involved in the war.

Yes. Don't attack Russia you complete retard.

Should've got the lebensraum and then stopped - he got all giddy on das petrol-y fumes of sweet sweet blitzkrieg and overstepped himself by trying to create an empire out of culturally different nation states instead of just reuniting the Germans within the borders of others.

He should've realised that to build an empire out of culturally different nation states you have to coax them into a political union that slowly erodes their uniqueness over years until all culture is gone and you have freedom to rule... wait.

>If Sweden, Spain, Turkey, Iceland joined the axis

>Iceland
Operation Fork
>Spain
Had just come out of a fucking CIVIL WAR, numnuts. But they did send volunteers to fight with ze Germans. Franco wanted too much, and he knew the allies were going to rape their way to the fatherland eventually.
>Sweden
Too busy selling iron ore to the Germans, also, see policy of Swedish neutrality. They didn't want to be cucked by the bear again.
>Turkey
Sat out the war whilst having a non agression treaty with the Germans and also didn't allow British bases in Turkey. They declared war on Germany in February 1945 and have recently gained the upper hand, a large force of roaches currently occupy swathes of German territory.

>If Mussolini actually had a well trained army
Italy wasn't ready for war. Even their Navy, which was modern and cool got fucked by us in the med.

>if the Baltic states and other S.S.R states had rebelled against the Soviets then Hitler would have won.
Nah son, learn history. We aren't playing HoI here.

By the time Hitler actually began to interfere horribly with his Generals the war was well and truly lost, the Generals often blamed him to hide their own failings, Hitler was not a tactical genius but he was decent in the beginning of the war and showed some skill during the invasion of France. However, it needs to be said that his handling of Dunkirk did leave much to be desired. And it did get worse later in the war when he began commanding armies that did not exist.

well maybe the nazis shouldnt have picked a hopeless fight to begin with

do you think he would have invaded italy if they hadnt joined? He probably would have been better off had they never allied, but just helped him like sweden.

I thought Sup Forums was a board for satire, but because of all these neckbeard permavirgins, I think not. Literally everyone here is praising Hitler. HITLER. A guy who killed 6 million Jews, and 5 million Gays, Gypsies, Communists, all for just having different opinions! Who on top of that, killed his OWN people! And people call him a "nationalist hero". Nationalism never works and is the cause for all violence.

Speaking from experience, they just tell OP to go back to