/mri/ - Mexican Reactionary Initiative - Part I: Experimentation and the Basics

>This will be an experimental thread used to estimate the value of a general devoted to the discussion of the implementation of a centrist-authoritarian system (Monarchy, Fascism, National Socialism, Corporatism) in the Mexican United States.

/mri/ - Mexican Reactionary Initiative

This thread will be dedicated to the discussion of centrist-authoritarian politics (Monarchy, Fascism, National Socialism, Corporatism) in Mexico; theory, practice, and implementation

Rules
>Be polite enough to not pass as a Naco
>Ignore trolls
>Wellcome people from all over the world in this thread
>Use English as Lingua Franca, but Spanish can be used if a lot of meaning is lost in translation or you realize that the bantz are just better in Spanish
>When ranting try to always propose a solution
>Do not get butthurt when other tear apart your proposed solution limb my limb.
>Try to stay on topic, but sidetracking with modern news is allowed as long as it does not take the entire tread. Try to make this news serve your arguments about said topic if possible

Theme for this thread: Authoritarianism in Mexico; Yes, No, Why?

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>Help this general grow by posting recources

Authoritarianism is hold as a very popular idea in Mexico. While manny times just as a way to be contrarian manny still make the argument that our democracy is a joke with more in common to a popularity contest than actual politics, and that Mexico's only opportunity to be Great was during Porfirio's regime, which achieve great Order and Progress™ even while not being except of corruption.

The las example may tell us that the problem is not corruption itself, but the system that it has being allowed to exist and work in.

And About the system used, I personally believe that a hybrid between Monarchism (We 3er Imperio now) and Fascism may be the answer we need.

Mexico already holds a Monarchist legacy, legacy which is used by today's elite to argue in favor of today's political Status Quo (How Benito Juárez Heroically saved Mexico from a Habsburg, how irrelevant Agustín "Dragón de Hierro" Iturbide was and how the PRI is a gift from God). It is also the system that allows individuals to be raised to rule, instead of thinking that the average José is capable of such crucial decision making. A contra-argument would be it's inherent exclusivism and how the royalty may end up completely ignorant from the rest of the people -Qu'ils mangent de la buñuelos-.

Fascism combines a hybrid political system with the protection of cultural identity the Modern World needs. That and it holds the superior aesthetics we need to inspire people

bump. hi op user from yesterday /nsg/ thread. to get the ball rolling a bit how does (would) authoritarianism (politics in general) differ from the north to the south?

Bumping mexifascist bread. Have you considered advertising your thread in Sup Forums? Don't browse there but i have seen many mexican/central american anons there as well. Maybe some can be converted.

>slave class general thread

A dictator in Mexico could be good since people here tend to be very ignorant to choose the best for the country, but the dictator mostly needs to be very careful because the corrupt politicians won't give up and will try to do whatever they can to keep things just like they are now

>Mexican United States

Acaba la primaria primero pendejo.

>fixing mexico

not gonna happen pedro. Your's is a rootless and cosmopolitan nation. Just like the united states your willingness to allow anyone to be mexican just like we allow anyone to be american just breeds a culture and society of people who don't know who they are.

Most "Latinos" i've met evidence of this. They have no awareness about who they are. The only ones that do are the white ones. Who know they are european (and usually don't shut up about it) The mixed ones are usually just as bad as niggers.

They have no self awareness. Ask them what they are and they say "hispanic". Ask them what that means and say they say I speak spanish.

There is no fixing mexico. It is foreshadowing of the dystopian future that coming to NA and to Europe.

Mexicans need a good and charismatic lider who guides them on these problems, mexicans tend to be easy to control

Mexio needs a hardline, right-wing governement fucking ASAP - Narco degeneracy needs to be rooted out, and every drug dealer deserves a bullet in his head.

The South in inhabited by the kind of people who still has faith in politics, but sees the government as a source of gibs. The North is more apathetic, only works and most hold a "Government Get out, reeee" stand on many issues (usually work related).

I am from the North, so I too believe that the government should never do anything that makes someone's work more difficult than necessary by setting up inflexible laws. I too see a parasitic government as a waste of resources and an annoyance.

So, instead of having he government policing the workers I would strongly advise to encourage the Business helping society via incentives. A "Your company is not obligated in any way to donate to the public park a few blocks from your business, but if you did you could get that tax cut and free marketing you so much need" type of action.

This for the North, the South needs to be given discipline but absolutely no space for contra-arguments. We are talking of leftists here, the ones who un-ironically like communism but hate working hard.
>He took his time to write this
Latinos that go to the US are the foamy scum that accumulates in the top, no one likes them, not even latinos.
>They have no self awareness
Read an Essay called "The Pachuco and other extremes" in the book The Labyrinth of Solitude by Octavio Paz, if you want to read the whole thing. It explains the negative nature of Mexicans and Pachucos (Chicanos from the 60's).

Bonus points if you draw all parallels between Pachucos and Meursault from the Stranger by Albert Camus.

what mexicans need is to get the fuck out.

I heard this guy was pretty based.

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I don't think government should be that aggresive with narcos, Mexico doesn't have a good army to just kill them all, last time someone started a war with narcos the common citizens got the worse part

>Pachucos and Meursault from the Stranger by Albert Camus.

They're apathetic to the point where its annoying to the average person?

>you cant just go around killing drug dealers

He has too pure for this sinful earth. He is shooting lazy people with the angels now

>His Tomb in Montparnasse cemetery has flowers and kiss marks
>They love to be hated
>Apathetic
>If you take the "ex-sistere" version of existentialism then you can tag the Pachucos and Meursault as both strangers to society
>Paz during The Labyrinth of Solitude keeps calling Mexicans Nihilists while calling Americans optimists
>Paz was living in Paris as a diplomat by the time we wrote his book
>The "stranger of society" is a very teenage thing. We see it in the Catcher in the Rye with his teenage main character and The Stranger was consideres as a passage for French teenagers. Pachucos are always teenagers with no place to fit in

This was my Extended Essay for High School

Of course not but if you have a big and strong army you have it easier, but it would be better to have a non corrupt government that gives people a fair life

>the bantz are just better in Spanish
How so? No one cares what you say if they can't understand it.

It was tried once, the difference is that The Philippines drug dealers have a Glocknade at most. Cartels here have being found with anti-aircraft guns.

That and why would the Gov bother? Cartels only get loco when attacked, they only want to make a profit so they prefer not to fight. Even more, someone in office of a business (I am looking at you, PEMEX) can use a Cartel for his dirty work.

Having a bunch of crime syndicates is good for them

Our curse words are better

but the only thing that mexico is going to get is amlo in 2018

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Mexico needs to balakanize. South becomes its own nation run by national socialism while the north is annexed by the US

Hopefully not, because we can't afford to just let him run amok convincing poor people to form an uprising or something like that.

You don't want the north believe me

>And Europe must give up and get annexed by arabs
>The US must give up and Just give up their Universities to the left
>The middle class must give up and just take whatever the Jew trows at them

That mentality, distgusting

We can't afford having him doing stupid shit like giving orders to Trump.

This guy acts like a child

If anything the US will balkanize first desu, nobody in Mexico actually wants to secede

Well thats the only way i see it getting any better. besides the north relys on the US for its whole economy

That old fool is most likely gonna hide behind a heroic image, pretending to be some sort of savior. Like that imbecile that rules Venezuela, Nicolás Maduro

Maybe in the north but in south mexico its a different story. ie: all the protests against the government corruption and the zapatista rebellion back in 1994

A problem is never entirely economical. If you give economic prosperity and no ideals to strive for, you get modern Europe.

That and the South and North are both the Federal District's bitches, but if one of them has the ability to become an independent country is the North, as they contribute for more than half of the GDP.
They are still too lazy for that, they are keyboard warriors with no internet connection. They never go to public protestes unless they are payed.

It only would be better for the mexicans in the north since they already have it bad and it would be hard to make it worse, but for americans on the other side you would get a massive wave of people with a third world mentallity coming to your cities and the crime rate would increase considerably, also ypu might see froom time to time corpses hanged on bridges and things like that

The political elite is all super-lefty and have made of their status quo their personal bottomless piggybank; someone close to a PRI state-level subsecretary just told me a "funny" anecdote about a misplaced 180,000 pesos check and how the "lol dunno" attitude towards finding the missing taxpayer money is the norm. These are people who would never let go.

The real issue is, how can we make change happen while killing as little people as possible. But don't be naive about it, a non-violent revolution is simply not possible.

Are they still a thing?, I haven't heard about zapatistas since 2005

more than half countries gdp, which is a result of nafta, without nafta that percentage would plumet for sure.

I was born in this country, and I also fought for this country, but I want to go back to my people, I don't belong here. My parents think I'm crazy after they went through so much hardship to become citizens and worked their entire lives to help give me a future here. But It's becoming incresingly painful for me to stay here. America has no culture and I want to go back to my own people. The only problem is I own lots of guns and own a business here. So I make decent money. I want to keep my guns and I will happily sell my business. I don;t want to be around people that hate me. I would rather be around people that hate me but atleast kind of look like me. I feel my people deserve to be helped. I understand the grand majority of mexicans are illiterate niggers, but they are still mexicans culturally. I don't speak very good spanish, like I can hold a conversation but, I need to brush up more, my question is fellow tortilla bros, should I go back? Or should I keep my business and drop the pipe dream, keep in mind i'm also the guy that after my service in the Marines, I wanted to join the FFL immediately after.

yup their still a thing

In their minds they are
>while killing as little people as possible
A good deal of the government are masonic homosexuals (I wish that this was a joke). Not all of them are your Super-Smart freemason so we can use that.

Free masons practice ritual sex for two reasons
>Jews believe that it gives them special powers
>If one of them goes rouge then they can use videos and other sources as blackmail.

There must be something to take down every medium and low politician while discrediting the entire political class.

In this way the US won't intervene because their elites do not want to be exposed too

May I suggest what I call the Cincinnatus-Atatürk strategy?
We turn the people against the government by demonizing them (creating a crisis of our own that we control might help incentivate them to fight)
We exterminate the political elite and replace it with our own people, who start immediately investing in education and other fields that might be deemed a priority to keep the country stable while the new government settles as an absolutist, meritocratic system. We then allow the political structure to become flexible enough to gain legitimacy through merit, demonstrating that it is fit to rule by showing a great level of competence.
This is the basic idea, but I would suggest discussing more around it in order to detect any weaknesses and add any ideas that might help perfect it

You are not missing much, I think you are better in usa but you can still come here, stay some weeks and see for yourself if it is worth it

>America has no culture
(main reason i want the US not to intervene). If only they went full Norman Rockwell
>I own lots of guns
Lucky you

Look for business opportunities in Baja California (a.k.a. Best State). Come here for vacations and look for something to do. Start a business or help someone here so you can get at least a leg inside. Get a house in the beach and live /comfy/ eating lobsters and drinking margaritas until your liver gives up.

Can I ask of what nature your business is?

The FFL? If you are corrupt stay in the US, You used to be a Marine and you like guns? I bet the narco is going to reach you sooned or later and they are going to offer you a crazy amount of money like something you can only earn in your dreams, what would you say?

I think the hardest part about that plan is when exterminating the political elite, I don't see how normal citizens could do that, if the army helps then it's viable but how to put the army on our side without them betraying us to take the power?

Well, the army is not exactly fond of the government right now, so we might expect a conflict there, for starters.
Now, in what respects to them helping and not betraying us, we would first need men inside. Hopefully, someone who keeps Cienfuegos in line and makes it clear that they serve the country independently of who rules. If the higher ups are amongst our own, then the risk of them betraying us is minimized. Problem is, that would take a lot of time to establish. Even if we do start convincing people to get high ranks in the army, the fruits of our labor might be reaped by future generations, not us.
At most, we might lay the intellectual foundation for said movement

Give the military a reason not to betray us.

We need a leader to gain the soldier's trust and general's respect. And if we turn the military into a social elite then they will be more than happy to agree, as we will guarantee new recruits looking for social status, and a bigger presence in our politics. Meanwhile the rest of the country will gain glorious military a e s t h e t i c s.

Control of the military will be achieved in a few years once we gain an army of citizens loyal to the country (no the army) but with military experience.

(We should make a Mexi-Hitler-Jungen. The army will be happy for the jound recruits and we can introduce discipline and Kameradschaft to the people).


We should become the Jew and infiltrate everything we can. Asociación Mexicana de Odontología, prepare for your Neues Führer.

I've done that and spent time in Coahila and Monterrey and Veracruz with my rich relatives. It was beautiful in a humble and simple kind of way, although there where a lot of stereotype short brown dudes who looked like they would carve me for a nickle, but most of the people there where very kind too me.
Can't give up that info lad.
Unless it was a nationalist paramilitary group who uses drug funds to fund right wing parties and expand paramilitary operations, I would probably say no.

Drugs?

>Mexican United States
What a fucking cuck. Just call it Mexico.

>Authoritarianism in Mexico; Yes, No, Why?

Better question, is it realistic?

This board is surveillanced, i've given plenty of details to connect the dots of who I am no matter the VPN's.

Its a catholic country, so yes.

We are conditioned from childhood to accept a distant central infallible moral authority

>America has no culture
Yes, go back, and stay there. No culture phaggots.

Well it worked it Spain.

>*just call it the Third Mexican Empire

ftfy

>tfw married mexican chick
>in laws can barely speak english
>still realize theyre based and redpilled from what little we say to eachother

I respect mexicans in mexico. Its the chicanos i hate. Would love to see a fascist mexico. Has anyone there read Mein Kampf or anything about Mussolini?

That sounds good, but we would need someone entering in a popular political party maybe the pri, whoever joins this party needs to convince them that he is with them 100% but also as you said he would need to gain the simpaty of the army and get the opportunity to run as a candidate for the Presidency, pri might just as in 2012 buy the votes for them to win and finally he betrays the pri, starts a coupe with the army and arrest or kill whoever politician who is a problem for the fututre of the country

No worries, I was just teasing you.

You do good by being caregul
>Third Reich
>Third Mexican Empire
We may be onto something

I second this idea

Considering how much the army dislikes the current administration because they don't want to be on the streets (the army does not like being employed as a police force), it might not be as hard to gain its favor by being strong yet promoting respect for them (like Cárdenas and Calles once did)

Vale, estan cagando el Palo vale

Once a guy from Zacatecas told me that dick sucking is required if you want to go up the ladder.

I just hope that Law Students have it easer


I remember having a simple but long infiltration plan, I am going to go back to it later

I feel sad, seeing I'm the only dumb mexicano here....
What a cuck

chingen a su madre todos me la pelan
sage

Now I feel less sad

Ignorance is completely voluntary

Take the Techno-pill. I'm completely serious, read this book. It's a great work that is ignored on Sup Forums. So far I'm the only one to post it.

false, Mexico is simply a largely homogenous populace. Ive lived in mexico ten years, and I will tell you this: there are no blacks or asians. The darker population is largely mixed with the lighter population, with contrast seen only in the upper class. We all share a pretty similar origin story: our 'roots' lie in the mixture of europeans (Spanish) and the natives, the revolution stemming from the "Creole" race. If an authoritarian figure capitalized on this they could really turn this country around.

THE MODERN WORLD BRINGS NOTHING BUT THE LOSS OF IDENTITY AND DEPAIR!

DEATH TO THE MODERN WORLD

Why the fuck would I want a more authoritarian government on this shithole holy fuck you're retarded OP

>Ive lived in mexico ten years, and I will tell you this: there are no blacks or asians.

you are full of shit

ive lived in mexico 30 years and there are blacks in some states.

there are FUCKTONS of asians in the north and mid-states (you cant possibly go public school in tijuana without getting used to seeing asians)

>thinking youre the only one who's preached neoluddism
Look up Luddy and Ted Kaczynski in the Sup Forums archives

The downside I see about that idea is that whoever does it needs to become just as bad as the corrupt politicians are and by considering that would mexicans trust him?

>DEPAIR

lol.

Technology = technique = efficiency
Efficiency is hindered by identity. It destroys man for maximum efficiency, you become a cog in technique.

I'm not preaching neoluddism, have you read the book? Read it.

>there are no blacks or asian
lel
like 1% of the population is afro-mexican
not to mention that in Mexico City you see a lot of black people and a fuckton of chinks. I mean I literally see a few blacks and tenths of chinks everyday.

You can't change Mexico with kisses and tenderness

Said person would need to be of inquestionable moral rectitude. A capable actor, nonetheless, because he would have to wade hrough muddy waters without losing himself. If said person is able to show rectitude in front of the public and keep enough ruthlessness to play the game, then he would be the most appropiate individual to carry our cause
If anything, we might force him to swear loyalty to the movement before he joins the government and eliminate him if he turns his back on us before he has time to compromise the entire movement

So it is not a Reddit-tier book about how technological advance for the sake of it has no negative repercussions? Because I Fucking despise people like that

It was authoritarism that created this shithole, you can't take us out with more authoritarism

And leaving people with no direction free to do whatever they want won't fix this shithole.

What we need is structure

>So it is not a Reddit-tier book about how technological advance for the sake of it has no negative repercussions? Because I Fucking despise people like that

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Ellul

LoL, no why would you think that? Here's the author. He wrote prolifically, I also have his book about propaganda, but I haven't read it yet. He's extremely intelligent, and covers a multitude of effects that "technique" has on the modern world. It's old, but the book is not outdated, it very much applies to our times. It's very enlightening, because he covers things, most people would not think of and it's a good entry into that type of sociology.

Any one of those systems would be superior compared to the current narco kleptocracy.

*Authoritarism that called itself democracy
And yes, a dictator in Mexico might fail but if it came to power by a revolution there can be another one as long as mexicans stay together and try to become better

I will trust you, I better not encounter a "And we will live in a world with no suffering, because having an easy life is so good for society"
Esoteric Techno-TurboBoot-ism also seems like a good option

user, you're in for a big surprise if you expect "And we will live in a world with no suffering, because having an easy life is so good for society". You will probably love it desu.

That's really difficult to find in a person, that's why dictatorships turn in hell

I just have seen a lot of Engineering YT channels, they all have the same Reddit-tier ideas of progress.

I am one of those extremist who wants to halt all non-vital technological progress and keep it that way until we advance as a species. Which is strange because I love math, physics, chemistry and engineering, but the last thing I want is monkeys with nuclear weapons and a superiority complex.

>no asians
What about in Calexico?

you are so full of shit. Any blacks in mexico are largely localized. As for asians, I would hardly call Tijuana an "average mexican city". Maybe way way north there might be asians, but thats fallout from chinalands and would hardly be considered "hispanic heritage" or "latino"

The ones that escaped the genocide?

Nah. You are either using a proxy and never been to mexico or you are a fucking indian who's never left his town in some shit backwater southern state.

Stop LARPing

Kek, you seem to have a good understanding that technology brings about irreversible change to society. If you are really interested I can point you in the direction of a forum that discusses these issues extensively. They are highly intelligent, don't take the racism to heart if you're a brown, they aren't very White themselves (lots of Irish, Italians and crypto Jews post there). I don't know if they have Mexicans that post there, but you seem like you'd fit in, just don't shitpost like you do on Sup Forums because they will ban you. Probably the most intelligent discussion on the internet, will make you many smart. It's where I got that book and author from too.

mpcdot.com/forums/topic/155-the-limits-of-human-scale/

Maximilian did nothing wrong

He was dumb enough to think he had a chance vs USA-backed Juarez

Dejad de ser una República

Yo apoyo este Bread

Que regrese la Corona o un Gobierno Competente y respetable

Bompo

El literalmente no hizo nada mal
Benito Indio Juárez era un indio incompetente. Maximiliano era el legítimo Emperador de México


I'm pretty salty About Indio Juárez.