/christpol/ CHRISTIAN GENERAL

Jesus Christ
Son of God, Jesus Christ
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WHOSOEVER believeth in him should NOT perish, but have EVERLASTING life.
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>The Bible way to Heaven
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>An overview of the entire Bible
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>New World Order Bible Versions
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>White Rage On The Way: White Folk Ain't Gonna Take It No Damn Mo
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>America is the whore of Babylon
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>This is what happens when you don't listen to God
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"Libertarian" relates ONLY to human crafted government and philosophy you unimaginably obtuse mong. See it patently is clear from this debate that you think what I am espousing is this vague argument for Authoritariaism or something but I am in fact a supremly free market Libertarian.
IN FACT I actually am an Ayn Rand Objectivist acolyte that pointedly disagrees with her decidely negative views on Christianity, agreeing with her utterly in all other areas.

This shows you cannot into philosophy

Because libertarian means that human beings can choose and are not determined by prior causes in the context of free will

Continuing from the previous thread regarding Clement and priesthood

A)No evidence of translation or any specialist that said that "offered his sacrifices" meant "fulfilled his duties"

B)structure and context is very clear that what is talked about isn't the life of saints as shown by the fact that such are appointed and explicitly referred to as services and celebrations

C)he also makes clear what is for the laymen to do the laymen do instead

Ergo, someone is making shit up

A)Roberts-Donaldson
CHAPTER 40 -- LET US PRESERVE IN THE CHURCH THE ORDER APPOINTED BY GOD.

These things therefore being manifest to us, and since we look into the depths of the divine knowledge, it behoves us to do all things in [their proper] order, which the Lord has commanded us to perform at stated times. He has enjoined offerings [to be presented] and service to be performed [to Him], and that not thoughtlessly or irregularly, but at the appointed times and hours. Where and by whom He desires these things to be done, He Himself has fixed by His own supreme will, in order that all things being piously done according to His good pleasure, may be acceptable to Him. Those, therefore, who present their offerings at the appointed times, are accepted and blessed; for inasmuch as they follow the laws of the Lord, they sin not. For his own peculiar services are assigned to the high priest, and their own proper place is prescribed to the priests, and their own special ministrations devolve on the Levites. The layman is bound by the laws that pertain to laymen.

B)Hoole

CHAPTER 40

40:1 Since, therefore, these things have been made manifest before unto us, and since we have looked into the depths of the divine knowledge, we ought to do everything in order, whatsoever the Lord hath commanded us to do at the appointed seasons, and to perform the offerings and liturgies.

40:2 These he hath not commanded to be done at random or in disorder, but at fixed times and seasons.

40:3 But when and by whom he wisheth them to be fulfilled he himself hath decided by his supreme will; that all things, being done piously, according to his good pleasure, might be acceptable to his will.

40:4 They, therefore, who at the appointed seasons make their offerings are acceptable and blessed; for while following the laws of the Master they do not completely sin.

40:5 For to the High Priest were assigned special services, and to the priests a special place hath been appointed; and on the Levites special duties are imposed. But he that is a layman is bound by the ordinances of laymen.

C)Lightfoot

1Clem 40:1
Forasmuch then as these things are manifest beforehand, and we have
searched into the depths of the Divine knowledge, we ought to do all
things in order, as many as the Master hath commanded us to perform
at their appointed seasons.

1Clem 40:2
Now the offerings and ministrations He commanded to be performed with
care, and not to be done rashly or in disorder, but at fixed times
and seasons.

1Clem 40:3
And where and by whom He would have them performed, He Himself fixed
by His supreme will: that all things being done with piety according
to His good pleasure might be acceptable to His will.

1Clem 40:4
They therefore that make their offerings at the appointed seasons are
acceptable and blessed: for while they follow the institutions of
the Master they cannot go wrong.

1Clem 40:5
For unto the high priest his proper services have been assigned, and
to the priests their proper office is appointed, and upon the levites
their proper ministrations are laid. The layman is bound by the
layman's ordinances.

MUH FEELINGS
It's true because it makes me feel good
MUH FEELINGS
It's true because it makes me feel good
MUH FEELINGS
It's true because it makes me feel good
MUH FEELINGS
It's true because it makes me feel good
MUH FEELINGS
It's true because it makes me feel good
MUH FEELINGS
It's true because it makes me feel good
MUH FEELINGS
It's true because it makes me feel good
MUH FEELINGS
It's true because it makes me feel good
MUH FEELINGS

Again Libertarian OR Authoritarian, as concepts are not something you can apply to God or the concept of God.
How exactly does "this show I cannot into philosophy"?
I think friend that hou have simply held this notion that Calvinists were this great enemy to the standards of freedom and free will and now that I've presented you with the notion that your defining of free will ITSELF was overblown you are responding by being as logically slippery as you can muster.
You have to abandon very little of your previous stance by accepting what I outline. And not a single iota of Libertarian standards when you really think about it.

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>Have some devout christian friends who got married recently
>Less than 4 months later they have a child
Hmm really made me think

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Praise God OP

And pray for Bashir Al-Assad, defender of Christians and latest victim of global Jewry.

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Oho you posted this at the wrong person skipper.
Agnostic Atheist here who hates other atheists and views Christianity as superior.
I love God; the fact of whether he exists or not is irrelevant to me. America and by extension all of Western culture is the result of 3 ingredients. The greatness of America essentially boils down to 3 things and it doesn't matter if you're an atheist or not, I'm strictly talking of formula; ingredients in a pot. Those 3 are thus:
Judeo-Christian Morality
Greco-Roman Philosophy ~&
Anglo-Saxon Law
I find that the humility to admit that I do indeed lack (because it is a lack) the faith is a personal flaw within my own heart. Even IF God definitely doesn't exist this is true. It is healthy for a society to have this ever present intrinsic judge in ones mind. I always felt something... off about popular atheism and it was only after I got into politics, and later Bill Whittle, that I discovered why. Christianity, at the end of the day, gets shit done. And has historically. This "holds people back" line every hipster leftist likes to regurgitate is pure untruth.
Frankly, I'm at a point where I think I could defeat Richard Dawkins in a debate. (famous last words) I detect in the man an earnestness if, admittedly, also an arrogance that is so endemic in us atheists. As a millennial I certainly possessed it.
I also really like Stefan Molyneux but disagree entirely with his Magnum Opus; "Universally Preferable Behaviour". The book is excellent, don't get me wrong, but I believe Individualist Religious morals (which orthodox Christianity is a nigh-perfect representation of) to be superior to Secular ones even IF god doesn't exist.

See deity belief is either simply a chemical artifact of our sapience OR Gods intrinsic interaction with the makeup of our minds and, get this, it is actually irrelevant which of these is true.
I call this doctrine "Atheism Minus" opposed to the lefts brainwashy Atheism Plus.

This shows how ignorant you are of philosophy

When I say libertarian free will I refer to the fact that man can make choices and is not moved by prior causes as in a ball drops from a certain height

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>great atheist thinker

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>not moved by prior causes as in a ball drops from a certain height
But that is exactly what man is. And saying this is not anathema to Libertarianism, what in the world made you think that it was?
I am not denying, either, that man is chaos squared; he most certainly is. But man is quite observably influenced by all around him and Libertarianism only says that knowledge of such (where it can be gleaned) should not be exploited and controlled. Not that it does not EXIST.

You proved my point. You now view man as nothing more than a windup toy

Your doctrine of Calvinism leads to this. In fact it even makes clear man have no free will post fall and predestination isn't because God foresees actions or any actions on part of the individual BUT by God's own will alone

Ergo, this means God made the universe such that it will move to this plan which he had before the dawn of creation

In fact let it be known that I was talking about Free will

NOT any particular political ideology

Ah crap, I had more redpills about Christianity, Jesus and Jews, can anyone post some?

Here is one

1Clem 40:1
Forasmuch then as these things are manifest beforehand, and we have
searched into the depths of the Divine knowledge, we ought to do all
things in order, as many as the Master hath commanded us to perform
at their appointed seasons.

1Clem 40:2
Now the offerings and ministrations He commanded to be performed with
care, and not to be done rashly or in disorder, but at fixed times
and seasons.

1Clem 40:3
And where and by whom He would have them performed, He Himself fixed
by His supreme will: that all things being done with piety according
to His good pleasure might be acceptable to His will.

1Clem 40:4
They therefore that make their offerings at the appointed seasons are
acceptable and blessed: for while they follow the institutions of
the Master they cannot go wrong.

1Clem 40:5
For unto the high priest his proper services have been assigned, and
to the priests their proper office is appointed, and upon the levites
their proper ministrations are laid. The layman is bound by the
layman's ordinances.

>Here's why we chose to give birth to black triplets
Let me guess, so they don't have to grow up in a religious environment?

>Ergo, this means God made the universe such that it will move to this plan which he had before the dawn of creation
Yes God's reality is this^ and free will, wait for it, SIMULTANEOUSLY.
This isn't fucking hard to understand. The elevation of free will to conceptually exist *on the same level* as God's will is an arrogance humanity need abandon. And that arrogance is called Armenianism.

Can someone give me a rundown of the 'mystic' beliefs of the Orthodox?

How to deal with the churches cuckoldry

calvinists are more interested in proving free will doesn't exist and their 5 points are more important than spreading the gospel

to a calvinist the 5 points ARE the gospel

Jews and the New Testament


>I will make those who are of the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews though they are not, but are liars–I will make them come and fall down at your feet and acknowledge that I have loved you.
>Revelation 3:9

>37 I know that you are Abraham’s descendants. Yet you are looking for a way to kill me, because you have no room for my word. 38 I am telling you what I have seen in the Father’s presence, and you are doing what you have heard from your father.” 39 “Abraham is our father,” they answered. “If you were Abraham’s children,” said Jesus, “then you would do what Abraham did. 40 As it is, you are looking for a way to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do such things. 41 You are doing the works of your own father.” “We are not illegitimate children,” they protested. “The only Father we have is God himself.” 42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I have come here from God. I have not come on my own; God sent me. 43 Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. 44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 45 Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me!
>John 8:37-45

1/2

god doesn't need defending

>except if religious feelings are hurt

There is no free will in any meaningful sense in Calvinism. If God determines what will happen, then human will only exists compatabilistically. But this isn't free will in any meaningful sense and also means God kills babies

And lies when he places individuals as responsible for acts which he planned for them to do in the first place

>10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision (Jews): 11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.
>titus 1:10-11


>3 Yet not even Titus, who was with me, was compelled to be circumcised, even though he was a Greek. 4 This matter arose because some false believers (Jews) had infiltrated our ranks to spy on the freedom we have in Christ Jesus and to make us slaves
>galatians 2:3-4


>As far as the gospel is concerned, they (Jews) are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs,
>Romans 11:28

>29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
>Galatians 3:29
(Christians are the chosen people of God)

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I am realising that even most "committed" christians cannot keep it in their pants
Are you guys degenerates too?

>seem
Sounds like a damn strawman you've constructed for yourself to fit this preconceived notion of what these "anti free will charlatans" must beleive.
-I- am a Calvinist and -I- don't have intent to prove free will *utterly* doesn't exist. Because that's not what Calvinlism means.

>Are you guys degenerates too?

No not really, its hard at first but once you learn self control you can control your life more.

>Better a patient person than a warrior, one with self-control than one who takes a city.

Degeneracy is inherent to each and every individual including Christ Himself.
"Original sin" ring any bells shill?

Actually calvinism only accepts Comptatibilism because that view of free will accommodates that all actions are simply the product of prior causes

>Better a patient person than a warrior, one with self-control than one who takes a city.
that some cucked mindset bro

this is blasphemy
Christ was without sin, that was why he was the perfect sacrifice

the Lamb without blemish

>that some cucked mindset bro
How? It's not saying that you are literally stronger than a soldier, it's just putting emphasis on the difficulty in maintaining ones own self, and the respect that there is for doing so.

Christ was perfection no question; what I was saying was reference to that Christ was the Grace of God given form in sinful flesh. Which is the whole point. That sin is inherent in our flesh becuase we ARE flesh. Only christ is spirit. And it is only through accepting christ is our spirit made real.

this is what the WESTMINSTER Confession of Faith say in Oreseverance of saint

I. They, whom God has accepted in His Beloved, effectually called, and sanctified by His Spirit, can neither totally nor finally fall away from the state of grace, but shall certainly persevere therein to the end, and be eternally saved.[1]

II. This perseverance of the saints depends not upon their own free will, but upon the immutability of the decree of election, flowing from the free and unchangeable love of God the Father;[2] upon the efficacy of the merit and intercession of Jesus Christ,[3] the abiding of the Spirit, and of the seed of God within them,[4] and the nature of the covenant of grace:[5] from all which arises also the certainty and infallibility thereof.[6]

Ergo, Christ's flesh is sinful

***temptation is inherent in every individual
Doesn't give you an excuse to act like a degenerate when it is well within your ability not ot

From your last post

>Mine is reasonable His isn't
>He doesn't and decides that God doesnn guide his church

Axioms determine what is reasonable and what isnt user.

Ask yourself this what would it take for you to change the axioms of your logic? What do you think it would take for that other user to take theirs?

His axioms cannot be changed

Mine can with reason and logic

See how he can't even understand basic philosophy

Yes? But the perfection of Christ's virtue and spirit completely invalidated his flesh.
Right and Christ was representative of eneacting this notion devoid of flaw.

We need more of these Christian Generals or at least Christian related threads to drive out the paganism and atheism on the board

So he isn't human and the flesh is indeed sinful?

Clearly we are just now circling this core axiom you refuse to abandon.

And I come to bring the facts of the early christian and logic

>His axioms cannot be changed
Can yours though?

>See how he can't even understand basic philosophy

If you can then why are you arguing with someone were any compromise or change of view is by definition impossible?

You pretty much accepted by assessment of Calvinism like it or not

You agree that God determines what will happen and ordained them

That is all I need because once you say this, man is but a wind up toy and not an autonomous creature

This is ridiculous. Christ flesh is sinless the same as Adam's was sinless, before the fall. Human beings always had the potential to be sinless, but sin never the less entered the world though our fault. The difference is that Christ never failed.

Let's just cut to this underlying point you are obviously inching towards.

>claim to be red pilled
>muh religion

Yes. Show me by logic and historical evidence how I am wrong and I'll accept it

I only want to make it clear to visitors to CGs that Protestantism is untenetable

That there is no free will? Because that is my main point about calvinism

Christ's SPIRIT is sinless
ALL flesh is sin.
Spirit can be aquired only through accepting christ.

So Christ's flesh is sinful?

how can physical things be sinful? Physical things are not liable for wrongdoing

Unless you are calvinist

Woah back up; you're crossing argument streams. You interjected elsewhere to me. Different topic.

this is WCF on justification

I. Those whom God effectually calls, He also freely justifies;[1] not by infusing righteousness into them, but by pardoning their sins, and by accounting and accepting their persons as righteous; not for any thing wrought in them, or done by them, but for Christ's sake alone; nor by imputing faith itself, the act of believing, or any other evangelical obedience to them, as their righteousness; but by imputing the obedience and satisfaction of Christ unto them,[2] they receiving and resting on Him and His righteousness by faith; which faith they have not of themselves, it is the gift of God.[3]


Again no room for human action

Reminder that doctrine and theology doesn't save you, following Jesus teachings does. He Himself said that's what will judge men at the end. Read the gospels, copy down every teaching of Jesus and read them. Pray for understanding and the courage to act on the faith that's been given to you. God Bless, and here's some videos to inform you brothers.

youtu.be/UsFlWph2sQ0
youtu.be/zamyZcFNbO8
youtu.be/b2U8P890PYA

what are you a Gnostic? Sin requires will. Animals have flesh, but cannot be considered sinners as they lack the ability to choose it.

So time to get back to the free will part

Calvinism denies free will or free will as the early christians understand it to be

Fuck the commies and fuck the kikes.

Then believing that God causes evil by virtue of Predestination is ok

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do you even know what Sin is? Sin is not some mystical force some mystical black sludge.

Sin is transgression of the divine law of God. That is what the definition of it is. Christ did not transgress so therefore he is sinless and his body is sinless.

Human beings are not capable of leading a sinless life, but we are to strive and strive and strive and strive to be like Christ, that is perfect and without sin.

>Yes. Show me by logic and historical evidence how I am wrong and I'll accept it

But your axioms determine what is logical or not - hence its as impossible to change as the protestants mind as both your axioms do not refute each other.

>I only want to make it clear to visitors to CGs that Protestantism is untenetable

Have you reflect that the choler and repitition might not be the most effective method of conveying the truth from your axioms?

By the axioms of historical science and reason is all I ask

How about you mind your own business You stupid abo

How can flesh which is just a physical thing transgress something when it cannot move itself?

WCF on Effectual Calling

I. All those whom God hath predestinated unto life, and those only, He is pleased, in His appointed time, effectually to call,[1] by His Word and Spirit,[2] out of that state of sin and death, in which they are by nature to grace and salvation, by Jesus Christ;[3] enlightening their minds spiritually and savingly to understand the things of God,[4] taking away their heart of stone, and giving unto them an heart of flesh;[5] renewing their wills, and, by His almighty power, determining them to that which is good,[6] and effectually drawing them to Jesus Christ:[7] yet so, as they come most freely, being made willing by His grace.[8]

II. This effectual call is of God's free and special grace alone, not from anything at all foreseen in man,[9] who is altogether passive therein, until, being quickened and renewed by the Holy Spirit,[10] he is thereby enabled to answer this call, and to embrace the grace offered and conveyed in it.[11]

III. Elect infants, dying in infancy, are regenerated, and saved by Christ, through the Spirit,[12] who works when, and where, and how He pleases:[13] so also are all other elect persons who are incapable of being outwardly called by the ministry of the Word.[14]

IV. Others, not elected, although they may be called by the ministry of the Word,[15] and may have some common operations of the Spirit,[16] yet they never truly come unto Christ, and therefore cannot be saved:[17] much less can men, not professing the Christian religion, be saved in any other way whatsoever, be they never so diligent to frame their lives according to the light of nature, and the laws of that religion they do profess.[18] And to assert and maintain that they may, is very pernicious, and to be detested.[19]

Again no room for active human participation and free will

This general Is bullshit. Jesus said to be no part of the world which definitely includes politics so why is this general on a board devoted to politics? Really makes you think.

God does as He plans. There's an election into heaven. That's as far as I believe in predestination. Just try to obey Christ instead of going crazy over predestination. Remember, it's God's will for all men to live with Him. It's a miracle only God performs to save you by your great faith.

>By the axioms of historical science and reason is all I ask

Those arent axioms user - they are derived from your axioms. Dont you remember this from your significant philosophical study?

>How about you mind your own business
Rather ironic no?

That is great and all but do you agree with what the WCF which is the Calvinist official statement on the matter say about it?

Wrong

My axioms are derived from them

Get over it you sophist fuck

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>My axioms are derived from them?

So what you are saying is that the axiom/ foundations of your logic are derived from interpretations of history and science.

These things which themselves are impossible without axioms that give primacy to empiricism and materialism.

Accordingly the axioms you claim are impossible as they literally require previous axioms to be held by you for them to be valid.

>Get over it you sophist fuck
How will you ever express yourself coherently and effectively if you are confused about your own axioms?

Is all reasoning circular?

>Is all reasoning circular?

Is the 2nd floor of a building the foundation of a building?

>yfw only one more week until you can eat sweets and not feel guilty about it

Pastor Steven Anderson is the man. Whats your email address bro.

ANSWER ME DIRECTLY YOU FUCKING OZZZZZZ

I will gladly answer your questions UK user after you answer and deal with mine in

I DONT KNOW OK

I CAN ONLY CONSULT THE SCIENCED

No evidence for your god.
No evidence for your baby jesus existing.
The entire scam plagiarised from other scams.
Christfags. Dumb as dogshit.

>I DONT KNOW OK

No one has all the answers user so there is dont feel bothered by it, the question that I think is most helpful is what do we do when we our confronted with this in our own lives

>I CAN ONLY CONSULT THE SCIENCED

You can do far more more that. Here is something you might find interesting here are two figures that use empiricism - the foundation of science to make very logical arguments against some of the accepted truths of modern scientists.

plato.stanford.edu/entries/berkeley/#2

Bishop Berkeley uses strict empiricism to demonstrate that material objects (with an external and independent existence to us) do not exist

plato.stanford.edu/entries/hume/#Cau

David Hume demonstrates how causation itself cannot be justified by empiricism alone