Convince me to not be a lefty

tell me why i shouldn't be a filthy commie

if you like food and not starving on 300g of moldy bread and contaminated water you shouldnt go lefty

Because it's immoral to take away from people who work to give to those who don't with the pretense that it will give "equity"

It's a waste of time to study and support a dead fringe ideology, just focus on your own goals and you will be a lot happier and not care about such things

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is it not immoral to let people starve if you have enough to feed them?

i wouldn't call communism a dead ideology

Instead of inside of a conformable prison full of spics and niggers, it will be gulags full of redpilled men who saw it comming as the (((guards))) does their (((thing))).

People deserve a decent standard of living where everything isn't owned by an oppressive government.

How many countries are officially communist?

How many communist revolutions have there been lately?

no, kys.

the point is that people don't get a decent standard of living under capitalism

Communism was a reaction to the industrial revolution. We are no longer in the industrial revolution.

Case in point.
I just got back from work.
What did I do at work?
sit in front of a computer.

Did I own the computer? no
Did I own the chair? No.

Do I own my own chair and computer ?yes

do I own the means of production? yes.

Am i empowered? no.

Nothing has caused more human death and suffering than socialism

Yes, ergo you shouldn't support communism.

you may be working in front of a computer, doesn't mean everyone is

Most people do, some people don't, there are winners and losers in a capitalist system, if one works hard at life he can make himself a better life, it's not a perfect system by any means but it beats the alternatives because it works.

Whereas under communism everyone is a loser except the easily corruptible government officials.

? the point is that people get what they need. consider the amount of food that is wasted in western nations, obesity is a huge problem. yet in other parts of the world people are starving

>you may be working in front of a computer, doesn't mean everyone is

Give an example. I'd say 90% of jobs these days require tools the worker can easily afford. I could even afford a tractor, land if I wanted.

The power of the worker owning the means of production is gone, since heaving industry barely even exists in the west.

the problem with capitalism is that if you're lucky and get born rich and you work and average amount you'll stay rich. fi you're born poor and work an average amount you're gonna stay poor

why are you talking only about the west?

yea,,, no

Not if they didn't earn it

Capitalism creates so much food that we have an obesity problem and the rest of the leftovers are more than enough to feed the local homeless. Communism kills the homeless through starvation and leads to everyone else being severely malnourished. If you want people to not starve, you should support capitalism.

>why are you talking only about the west?

In china where they have huge expensive semi-conductor fabs, and steel mills, communism would help the worker. The west is no longer in the industrial era tho. We have a service economy now remember.

Go ahead have at'er mate.

communism doesn't equal starvation

That's life I'm afraid, it's unfair, my paternal grandparents came from the irish immigrant working class and worked hard enough to make a moderately wealthy lower middle class family, it's not fair they had so ridiculously hard to get there but again, communism is not a workable alternative to capitalism

just because you're not working in a factory doesn't mean that your labour isn't being exploited

It almost always does.

you say it wouldn't work. consider the fact that we moving towards a future where nearly all jobs will be automated.

>just because you're not working in a factory doesn't mean that your labour isn't being exploited

I've read the 14 page communist manifesto. I understand communism entirely. I also understand it can't help me. I could order the mean on production from my job, but I wouldn't be a part of the bourgeois I'd still be a member of the proletariat. Go read the literature. Tell me the ideas of carl marx would make a difference in your life.

>consider the fact that we moving towards a future where nearly all jobs will be automated
That's not communism though. If anything automation and AI is actually causing communism to be obsolete.

I wouldn't think all jobs would be automated, but if you're talking about Elon Musk's advice to create universal basic income, that's hardly full on communism, that's just socialism, I doubt it will lead to everything being controlled by the government.

consider the fact that the US has being doing it's best to destroy socialism where ever it appears

Just look at them.

And socialism does its best to destroy capitalism. If an ideology cannot deal with competition it is not fit for reality.

Hitler was a socialist and started WW2. Result: millions dead and Europe has been crippled since.

Stalin and Zedong both leaders of socialist regimes and presided of the deaths of tens of millions.

I could keep going too: Cambodia, Venezuela, etc.

No food and no Faith
means starvation,
and then hell.

Short and sweet description of socialism.

sjws are not socialists

Yeah, but giving wasted food away is not communism, at most it´s recycling.

compare the us and the soviet union. russia was a feudal society which was propelled to being a dominant world power. the US profited on ww2 which where as the soviet union took the biggest casualties doesn't seem like a fair fight

>the US profited on ww2 which where as the soviet union took the biggest casualties doesn't seem like a fair fight
The USSR profited far more than the USA. They annexed the Eastern half of Europe (against their will) for pete's sake.

communism is sharing the food so that it's not thrown away

What does that have to do with communism?

Russia became a dominant party by purging, literally starving to death and slaughtering, those that became a burden

The US pulled itself back from the worst economic crisis in its histry and helped in a war it had nothing to do with

also the homeless in america live better than the working poor in communist countries, sucess is all relative

>Christ-Chan/Tomoko Mashup
sweet jesus i need more

>consider the amount of food that is wasted in western nations
Africa is thriving because of us
pic related

the soviet union took the biggest toll in terms of deaths. the us was sell weapons to the allies throughout the war

i can't. communism is the future

This is all I got user

when you offer to share something with everybody people are going to take you up on that until you have nothing left to offer

you wanna explain that

thank you comrade

That's not what communism is. If you don't work you don't eat.

or ya know you take what you need and nothing more

they are living off of our food surplus because niggers are useless. We send them basics, potatoes, corn, wheat, water and they have nothing to do but eat and fuck.

>the USA was selling weapons to the allies throughout the war
That wouldn't be fully paid for until 2006. The USSR never did fully repay their share of the war debt.

Yeah, but socialism creates the conditions in wich food has to be shared instead of earned.
There´s virtually no real hunger in the West, not at least african-level hunger, because you can always get a low paying job no one else wants to do, whilst in commieland if you are poor, you are fucked, just look at the Holodomor, production was kept by the government "To be redistributed" and everyone african level starved.

Even a drop is good for a thirsty man.
ty user

okay then explain this to me:

you recognize that in our current system, there are powerful people who take more than their fair share (never mind that they produce more)

if we switch to a system which rmeoves the posibility to move up or down in class, and cements a small group of elites at they top, why do the people at the top suddenly start sharing with us?

The Soviet Union seized entire countries before and after its war with Germany and stole the agricultural yield of Ukraine before the war you idiot.
Most communists aren't stupid enough to defend the ussr but I guess you're stupider than the average dickhead.

They took the most casualties because their soldiers were not well equipped. For every five, there was one gun, and each soldier was equipped with one magazine. The USSR did not have the production capabilities that the USA had. And don't give me some bullshit that Russia was poor before they were thrust onto the world stage, they had a large empire before they became socialist. Russians pre-WW1 were just as well off as the rest of Europe.

my friend i feel like you have a misguided world view, i would encourage you to read about the horrors of colonisation and then tell me how africa is thriving because of the west

>he needs to be convinced to not be a commie
>cannot even understand what leftist it is and why it's so horrible
>didn't even try to read or research something
you

revolution comrade

Uniting a people across all classes is more important than class dispute. That being said laissez-faire capitalism is terrible and wealth should be redistributed to benefit the greater good.

Because your standard resident of Shanghai, a quite open city in China has to steel earth from the street flowers to be able to grow food to feed themselves. If you do not know how to plan an allotment then you can not survive.

Through taxes*

lower middle class people in America live longer, healthier lives than most nobility in world history

desu my arguing has been real bad i'm trying to engage everyone in this thread

Do it

they had a large amount of land yes. they were not nearly as industrialized as the us uk ect

The state is a false consciousness

their population is thriving, their culture is stuck in the stone age because they are fucking useless and always will be. colonialism was a chance to bring them into the modern world, they fucked it and beg for handouts because anyone with an ounce of success, is expected to share it with their community.

so basically you're implying that "you'd put the right people in charge," is that it?

the people who your regime neglects will say the same thing about their revolution and so on and so forth

everything you perceive as "injustice" ony looks that way from your perspective, once you try to correct for these wrongs, you've tampered will the fragile balance and everything will be destroyed. happened before, it'll happene again thanks to morons like you

Now I feel like you're just trolling. Africans were far better off under colonial rule. Europeans left their colonies because the World Wars took such a massive toll on their nations that they could no longer sustain their colonies for the most part. And ever since Africa was decolonized, it's gone down the shitter despite it still being the most resource rich continent in the world.

Horrible idea.

because leftist commies are faggot retards who don't know the difference between right and wrong, true and false. look for the truth faggot...

"Africans were far better off under colonial rule.". my dude, you for real

Communism really just sounds like a harsher form of capitalism the way you guys are describing it, and capitalism a form of giving people who really work for the community the benefit of the reward instead of slackers who sap other's work ethic - kind of like how the communist blames the capitalist for stealing the collective labour power from the productive people out of laziness and a need to get others to work for them.

convincing...

google "walter e williams"

maybe one day we'll get rid of the far-right capitalist filth, grow up to communism and then maybe aliens won't think of us as primitives any more and will actually pay us a visit

the problem is that if you're born rich your life is easier than if you were born poor. why is that ok. like i understand that not everything can be equal but why should we just accept this

Think of the Pepsi ads, don't they remind you of Stalin's ads? All the people prosper, are perfectly happy, in an ultimately utopian world because capitalist realises their truly most wealthy potential as human beings?

Nah. They are doing wonders with the Zimbabwe the Rhodesian's left them. Still to this day, it is referred to as the breadbasket of Africa.

one day

Otherwise we throw you out of a helicopter, commie scum. JOIN OR DIE

That's incorrect. Russia's economy pre-WW1 was the second largest, barely trailing behind Germany. They were just as capable of producing as any other industrialized nation. It was the socialist revolution that forced them to surrender in WW1. And later, after a few good decades of socialism, they didn't have the means to produce on the same level as everyone else.

if you can't accept it go make some money and help people

the inneficient government that already can't help everyone in the richest country in the world isn't going to be better just cause you have someone else paying the bill

YOU have to fix these problems, no state or institution is capable of doing that

Think about it like this user. Under feudalism and mercantilism Africa was exploited by Europe. Under communism Africa exploited itself and is currently being exploited by China. Under capitalism the 1st world nations have so much that they send tons of aid to Africa out of charity.

shit den

Have fun signing your rights away to live as a serf while the dictator gets to act like king

Because when has it ever worked out well ever

cuba

Yeah every beautiful utopian vision is based somewhere along those lines, it's nothing wrong as an ideal, just the ways people attempt to achieve those ideals, but we're in the 21st century now, couldn't we do a better job at least slightly, with some of the historical foresight we've gathered from the failures of the dust of the corpses of 20th century world events that tried to change it for aught?

If you have to even ask this question then you already are a lefty. Its kind of like that old saying about being gay, if you have to ask yourself then you probably are....