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Every ideology becomes ridiculous if you overdo it. Careful centrism is the thinking man's choice.

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Agree with this. Politics should be built around the center, with slight tilts depending on the current problems facing the people during the time. A large swing in either direction produces anti-progress and barbarism

Reminder that fascists are inherently the opposite of centrists, as they support a one-party system whereas centrists like having two or multiple parties that keep each other in check.

Advocating for one and only one party is like doing the same for a government branch; it's retarded and will never work, because nobody's keeping them in check.

Is it possible to be 'anti-ideology' without being ideological? I'm convinced this is impossible

Yes, if you have an IQ over 110 you can't be an extreme left or right.

what the fuck is facism if it isnt alt-center? Nazism is Alt right but Nationalism/ Fascism isn't, due to wanting the state to at least hold some power whilst alt-right is legit red neck american im pretty sure

Interesting question. I'll have to write a Centrist Manifesto or something.

This. All radical idelogies have obvious shortcomings, which made them fail.

Fascists believe in a one-party state.
Centrists do not

>Centrist Manifesto
that might be the most ironic thing ive ever herd.
>or is it?
classic centrism

Send both the communists and the fascists to the gas chamber.

The fascists can stay. At least they support a centrist economy.

It's the communists and ancaps that need to go.

I took that stupid political compass test twice and both times my result was right smack in the center. I gladly consider myself a centrist.

Honestly a one-party system is great
>no decision lag
>focus on policies not popularity
The only problem is corruption which can be fixed with a proper secret service like the KGB
>As long as the goverment does not have full control of market, state should be fine

>radical centrist
so like the original fascists?

How were fascist radical centrists?

You posted an inaccurate picture.

Here is a better one for you cuck.

Fascism is neither left wing nor right wing therefore right in the centre

they were not capitalists nor socialists
they were not 100% progressive or 100% conservative

I think we all know how they were radical

Thats National Socialism.

Iktf

Do you mean Mussolinis original fascism, or national socialism, as we had in Germany?

I never bothered to learn what Italy's original fascism was about.

fascism was advertised as the "third way" beyond capitalism and communism.

You're confusing radical with authoritarian

So, roman fascism would be the best course to take?

Radical centrist a best. Pick and choose best policies as needs demands.

centrism has no answers when the problems are extreme, it is essentially just waiting to die

centrisism is an idealogy

kek'd

Neither have far-right or far-left ideologies. Tried before, failed before.

original fascism of course, national socialism skews to the left
they were both

Would you recommend to read Mussolini's original writings on the topic, or would secondary literature suffice?

The human brain is hard-wired to follow some sort of ideology which appeals to their basic needs and interests. Mainly because of the tribal urge of belonging to a group as well as heuristic thinking.
You can't expect the masses to make sensible decisions based on logic and reason.

archive.org/stream/DoctrineOfFascism/doc#page/n0/mode/2up
Read this for a start, if you want Duče.

youtube.com/watch?v=o49cGq9UUBY

Do you go to the market and only buy animal products? Or do you buy both animal and plant.

All policies should be well balanced and we lack that.

Give one party too much power and
they abuse it then turn vile.

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Thanks, senpai.
I'll read it, but I have my doubts that fascism, as a controversial, mystifying ideology, suits the balanced mindset of centrists.

The problem is that many nignogs and Islam makes both leftist and rightist plans/concepts guaranteed to fail, and that opposing nignogs/Islam is considered a right wing opinion. Therefore, to be center, you first have to be ""right"".

>no decision lag

This is only because force is applied to make the party into a hive mind that's under the leader and the ideology's direct control at all times. Hitler kicked Strasser out of Germany for defying that.

>focus on policies not popularity

See above, also this is a fallacy. One party solutions are simple absolutism, and all absolutists have to maintain the status quo. Mostly through coercion and force.

>The only problem is corruption which can be fixed with a proper secret service like the KGB

The KGB themselves were corrupt and privileged. A close parallel is how privileged NK's army is compared to the rest of the poor sods living there. This done by design, of course.

Time to read 1984.

This is such a silly argument, don't you think a libertarian, communist or fascist believes he's advocating for the best policies? If this is how you define "radical centrist" then you'd have trouble finding someone who doesn't fit the bill.

this
it's pretty short anyway

just make sure you dont confuse "corporation" with the modern meaning

>One party solutions are simple absolutism, and all absolutists have to maintain the status quo.
Why?

Read 1984
>State dominated market and all
I just think as long as the government is centralised the more stable the state

>The only problem is corruption which can be fixed with a proper secret service like the KGB

Are you sure?
From what I can tell, countries with powerful, secluded secret services are some with the most corrupt and least stable. The Soviet Union, Soviet Germany, Syria to name only three.

>muh horseshoe theory

I'd bet you call yourself a classical liberal, an ideology that was once on the far left of politics and would be extremely radical in certain parts of the modern world

I need someone to talk to please.

I was recently released from prison after a 2 year + stint inside and I'm feeling hopeless and unironically considering suicide.

Seek professional help immediately. A meme board won't be of much help.

Corruption cannot be fixed by a plural political system, because it is not dependent on the political model, but on the mentality of the people.

The market will always be dominated by the state in an authoritarian government, one way or another. Unless it's headed by a "benevolent dictator", depending on your POV. Businesses that are in bed with the centralized government will hold disproportionate power, and cuck all of the others through labor laws, unchallenged monopolies, etc.

I live in an isolated area. I talk to my doctor sometimes.

Then go see a doctor immediately, consider hospitalization.

I'm friends with my doctor. He's one of my customers.

Im sick of hearing the word "facism"

Facism was an idea that was a direct response to the shock of ww1. The thought was: that since modern nations were able to mobilize so much of their population so quickly, that the only way to counter that was to have a society that was constantly and fully engaged in the military. That way a nation would always be ready in case of a suprise attack.

What people on "the right" are talking about now is just plain old nationalism. What you racist fucks on pol are discussing, and have been discussing 5ever, is just white nationalism.

Fucking sjw antifa retards.

Then wait until you see him next time, to tell him how serious your situation is. If you're feeling bad right now, seek help immediately.

>released from prison
>one of my customers
Are you a drug dealer, by any chance?

He buys meat from me. He likes feral cat. So he won't want to hospitalize me.

But if you kill yourself then he won't be able to buy meat as well.

I trap critters on my property and sell their meat and skins. I've got a ton of feral cats, racoons etc salt curing in my basement.

My first conviction was for domestic abuse. Awkward.

True. Awkward. But I'm beyond caring.

Centrism is a joke
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The modern far-right are essentially centrists. They're economically centrist, support ethnonationalism (which has been the default position for millennia with the exception of empires which are inherently unstable) and are generally anti-war where it does not benefit their people (again, this should be the default position).

>(which has been the default position for millennia with the exception of empires which are inherently unstable)

Nationalism didnt rise until the 19th century, before that people identified with their villages since technology didnt even allow for larger communities to arise

Now get out of this thread you inbred white mongrel

When the center is pushed to the left because women can vote. Time to whip out the helicopters

I forgot to quote.

Socialists and nationalsocialists are both ideologic tards who cant accept that there is no utopia, there is no ethical right wether it is class war or race war,

Life is a sandbox game of suffering and your race dont matter, how does that make you feel inbreds

>blindly following anything
you can have strong opinons but you don't tag them to one ideology
centrism ftw

Is he /ourguy/?

Nah.
The centrist position would be to decide in the case of each individual kitten.

Caan I be centrist if I'm a bisexual Catholic who supports the LGB but not the T and hate fruity faggots and made up sexual identities?

>pro gay marriage
no

I bet you think you're an intellectual and you've unironically worn a fedora at some point in your life.

>wtf are kings
>wtf are kingdoms
>wtf is loyalty to a king and hence a kingdom

I don't care

Centrism =/= going halfways on everything
Centrism = choosing a right or left solution to different situations

I'm generally right wing socially, mostly left economically

I'm a centrist without moderate solutions

How can a centrist be "radical"?

You can bring the whole left/right thing down to one single point.
Is it plossible to teach most human beings to act against their instincts and start thinking logically.
If yes, left is right
If no, right (/might) is right.

Centrism might be a temporary solution, but especially as a german, you should be interested in a final solution...

answer me

It's a fucking joke you fucking sperg

All centrist parties are neo-liberal globalists.

Radical centrism is maintenance of the status quo.
The "radical" part is just an edgy adjective to lure disillusioned youth back into the fold. Pic related.

Golden mean fallacy.

>being a centrist means you go for the lazy compromise
I mean, you're already disqualified from any form of reason for being a comicposter. But it's nice to see the stereotype confirmed.

Just a fancy prefix with little actual meaning, just like the "alternative" right.

You know, you do have a point.

Because the current politics are far-right economically, seeing it as normal that jobs in France disappear to the other end of the globe without replacement.

So we radical centrists might have to reconsider the status quo.

>no one debates a rational argument

what a fucking surprise

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Noone discusses anything rational on Sup Forums anymore. Besides that's pretty much NatSoc. A bit to the left economically and really socially conservative. I'm the same way, but I don't get to be a centrist, because things are so skewed up to the left that we fall in the far-right bracket.

>A bit to the left economically and really socially conservative

Sup Forums isn't left-wing economically.

>Having your political ideology dictated by the current overton Window
Enjoy being a radical leftist in 20 years

well, who outside of continental Europe is?

>Sup Forums is one person
By >we I meant to say the argie and me.

We aren't exactly left-wing here, either. We've been ruled by a centre-left party that oversaw neoliberal reforms and a centre-right party that keeps things as they are.

conservatism was historically a centrist position

Centrism is Realpolitik. You look what current problem you are facing and find the best solution instead of looking what your ideological leader says that should be applied to any topic without questioning

>politics are always static and don't change over time
Spoken like a true marxist.

CHAD, FUCK YOU

of course, but even then Germany is orders of magnitude more leaning to the left economically than the US, by design. We're a social state. It's deeply engraved into the public psyche here.

The neutral action towards kittens is not to do anything with them unless cause calls for it. So, not putting kittens in a blender IS the centrist position. The opposite of 'putting all kittens in a blender' would be 'giving all kittens blowjobs'.

Yes and no. Contrary to the popular opinion, the USA weren't that different from Germany until the 1980s-1990s. They also had policies to redistribute wealth prior to the Reagan era.