I'd actually like us to collect some data or research papers in order to do an analysis of the SJW phenomena from an economic point of view.
First, it would be interesting to analyze the way in which the government subsidize colleges so as to encourage the creation of SJWs.
Second, we would have to have some kind of analysis of the marketability of various SJWs degrees so as to demonstrate just how useless they are.
Third, we could analyze the behavior of the SJWs from the point of view of human action. Namely, as SJWs do not have marketable skills, they cannot engage in voluntary exchanges for their end product, which is SJW analysis.
Last thread went pretty well, I don't see us hit bump limit often.
Second for liberty.
Matthew Allen
If polycentric law means that all government is local, what prevents a town from deciding that they want minimum wage, unemployment benefits, environmental protection laws, etc?
Brody Fisher
Nothing. But ask yourself, why would people advocate for laws that aren't in their best interest? Compared to a democratic current system where they have no choice but to be compliant under the tyranny of the state, as democracy discourages people from voting.
Eli Edwards
Hi Portugalbro
Blake Williams
>why would people advocate for laws that aren't in their best interest?
But user, the vast majority of people DO support those things. In any scenario where the population is enabled to influence law, such mechanisms will come into being purely by their innate popularity.
Brandon Allen
Okay my other questions were answered (which all ended it you can be degenerate as you like but the community might say fuck you to you and may not help you)
>Just my last few questions
If a child's parents were dead and there were no other relatives Should the child legally be allowed to starve to death? >And no charities can't take in and feed all the children and families don't just adopt children all the time
>Privatize them, live off donations and purchase of tickets. But these place don't make enough for a positive income as it is now even with government money they still need more for actual upkeep. Without state funding some of these war graves,national parks museums etc will 100% go bust
Should these places just close down then and be let to rot since they don't actually make enough cash to run.
I'm no expert but I do know the upkeep of Ancient Roman ruins from weather,vandals,animals and other such things is in the millions each year and these lesser known ruins in Italy for example will collapse and be lost without state funding since they do not make enough for maintenance each year
And that got me thinking how would immigration work in a Ancap society if I was Muslim could I invite other Muslims over since they would only be on my property
That's about all my questions
Sebastian Cook
Self interest and market optimization.
Market optimization will make it so that the less fluid/subjected to democracy communities will be more prosperous.
Self interest because rich people will go to the most optimal communities for their interest.
Chances are, democrats and communists will have to swallow their beliefs and sign against them because they will need a job, and these will be there where their ideas are banned.
That is, if after a while there are still communists, nothing shows what ideas are good and what ideas aren't like the market.
Ethan Lopez
>physically seperate socialists from civilised society >suddenly, people don't want these laws
Noah Powell
We need more anime.
Ayden Price
If you removed everybody who supports all those things, you'd end up with a very small population, which would easily be out-numbered and overpowered.
Kevin Lopez
They don't support those things, they support those things enforced onto anyone but themselves.
When people vote with a ballot, they do it with your wallet, when they vote with their feet, they do it with theirs.
Ethan Thomas
>Self interest
Most people would see these mechanisms as being in their self-interest.
Anthony Bailey
Hello Germanbro.
Adam Hernandez
So ancaps.
What do you do when another country uses their military to attack your libertarian social order.
>It's just a socialist conspiracy that these things are universally popular
The delusion is so thick you could cut it with a knife.
Xavier Adams
Exactly what people in today's society would do
William Phillips
What? Do nothing and let their government/military take care of it?
Mason Evans
Do nothing and let the private military take care of it, yes.
Jace Baker
I've already answered you this so many times I'm just gonna leave you with the quote and ask you to read the book if you're genuinely interested.
Landon Cruz
wake me up inside
Logan Watson
>private military hahahahahaahahahhaahhahahahahahahahaha
Colton Howard
Privitized military boyo. Volunteer militias. If 1% of gun owners went to go fight we'd have the largest military in the world.
Wyatt Murphy
>Relying on mercenaries as your sole form of defense
Asher Adams
>people are going to willingly join the private military Where does the private military get it's money without taxes?
Kevin Butler
How would a Ancap Italy come up with the funds to protect Pompeii and Herculaneum and all the other sites when just Pompeii by itself needs US$335 million to carry out all the works necessary in Pompeii alone?
Aaron Scott
>I've already answered you this I'm not the same user. I'm a minarchist. You guys are cool though, I'm mainly playing devils advocate.
Landon Garcia
War is unprofitable for sole businesses
Jonathan Cook
Some*
Christian Johnson
>War is unprofitable exactly How will the ancap military function with no monies
Zachary Brooks
Nothing! One of the amazing things about libertarianism is people can choose to live however the fuck they want to. If they want to live in a community that has all of those things, they can.
Jack Perez
Just a nuke.
Carter Turner
HELICOPTER CHAN
Caleb Phillips
You didn't understand me.
These things are popular IN DEMOCRACY, but why would companies settle in those areas where their business are heavily exposed to this kind of democracy?
If the business don't settle there, then covenants would have an incentive to forbid by contract that level of democracy.
In the end, lefties will have to move to capitalist covenants, because that's where prosperity is, and they will be asked to resign to their stupid ideas, because the covenants that ask this will be the most prosperous.
I know a lot of leftists who want to move to Switzerland, I don't think I know one who wanted to move to Greeze after Syriza won.
Thomas Anderson
Self-interest of the landowners, not the peasants.
Their property's value would tank immensely by the implementation of those regulations.
John Campbell
Every single thread, without fail, someone asks this thinking it's an original question. Can we add a FAQ segment to the OP or do you all think it's bloated enough already?
Nathaniel Reyes
>why would companies settle in those areas where their business are heavily exposed to this kind of democracy?
In the last thread, you said that polycentric law meant that EVERY town could decide their own laws. If that's true that pretty much every town WOULD have "exposure" to such democracy because it would be fucking everywhere.
>Protecting the environment lowers your property value
The exact opposite is true. Nobody wants to live in a place without trees or plants.
James Walker
>someone asks this thinking it's an original question. I know it's not an original question, I'm just curious as to what you guys have to say about it.
Benjamin Carter
>Every single thread, without fail, someone asks this thinking it's an original question
This is true. This question DOES get asked every thread. Why? Because ancaps have no answer for it. A society that can't defend itself will be destroyed instantly, from within and from without.
>B-but muh private militias....
Nolan Sullivan
>answers I don't like don't exist
Luke Nelson
I meant "you" as in the "but what about warlords?" people.
Aaron Martin
>Self-interest of the landowners, not the peasants.
So you admit that ancap is indistinguishable from feudalism? I applaud your honesty.
How are tiny private militias going to be relevant in comparison to states with tomahawk cruise missiles?
Eli Scott
>In the last thread, you said that polycentric law meant that EVERY town could decide their own laws. If that's true that pretty much every town WOULD have "exposure" to such democracy because it would be fucking everywhere.
They would decide their laws but that doesn't mean these laws are exposed to democracy.
These laws would be contracts between the landowner and the tenants. Imagine seasteading cities, where the owner of those cities would sell you a property in exchange for you accepting certain rules.
There COULD be covenants that accepted democracy, by contract, but I believe they wouldn't be very prosperous compared to those that didn't.
>The exact opposite is true. Nobody wants to live in a place without trees or plants.
I agree. I was referring mostly to minimum wages, unemployment benefits. I think respect for the environment will be, indeed, in the interest of landlords, so they will include it in their contracts.
Jackson Gutierrez
Never figured a Portuguese would be running the AnCap/Libertarian threads, ha.
Of all the movements in the past half century in America...communist hippies, neoconservatism, progressivism, whatever Trumpf is, etc... Libertarianism is the one and only movement that has just slowly but consistently grown year after year. And it's because unlike any of the other groups that come and go Libertarians actually have rational foundation for their common beliefs...ie PRINCIPLES. I'm Libertarian now, and I doubt I'll see things any different philosophically 50 years from now. Our beliefs are as constant as a belief in gravity. Unless some new earth shattering data is found or the laws of physics cease to apply, we don't flip flop. That's why Libertarians can slowly add new members and retain them better than anyone else. It's not emotional GOP/Dem bullshit, it's just real...logical, empiric, consistent, etc.
/diatribe.
David Ramirez
Why would anybody accept an "contract" without a government to enforce it? A contract with no government backing it is just a scrap of paper.
Jose Cox
Copypasted from another thread
>I believe people tend towards corruption as a matter of self-interest, so what is to stop someone from creating a local monopoly on justice? While there might be more just individuals offering justice elsewhere, what is to stop someone from creating a local monopoly of injustice and corruption? Great question.
The answer is that most people would be armed to the teeth in case this problem ever arose. After all, who would first give up their arms (the most immediate and personal form of self-defense) in order to be protected by a supposed insurance/defense agency? Insurers and defense agencies would be interested in having their clients armed (and well-trained), so as to deter criminality and therefore keep premium prices low.
In case this did not happen, and indeed one company decided to attempt to become a rogue monopolist, these questions arise:
a) How would they fund it? After all, that company too must have had massive capital in order to attempt pulling off such stunt. If any security agency decided to aggress against its own customers by becoming a monopoly, it would go instantly bankrupt because people would simply stop paying up.
b) Who would give them weapons? Since there would be no state to attack and no state apparatus to immediately take over, the rogue agency would need to knock on everyone's door to demand the payment of their fraudulent services (taxation). They would encounter resistance movements and guerrilla warfare tactics used by their previous customers or other people.
c) And what would they do with other companies? The other companies, in attempting to fulfill their promises as a property rights enforcer, would most certainly jump in and assist their own customers at fighting and ultimately destroying the rogue company. The would-be monopolist would after all be a massive insurance risk since they'd have to destroy and expropriate massive amounts of property, thus raising crime and premiums.
Jace Gutierrez
Because if you broke the contract you would be physically removed from the covenant by the violence of the security firm you signed you would be exposed to in said contract.
Juan Cooper
Who are the best content producers putting right libertarian content currently? I'm looking for some new stuff to check out.
Austin Parker
I wonder which one of you faggots this is. >Hoppe pic >Muh ebil nazis >Childless single men with waifu pillows I was wondering where the influx of cuckbertarians came from and now I know. Go back to your sub red.dit you worthless termites.
Ryder White
>you would be physically removed from the covenant
By who? The non-existent police?
Liam Hughes
Ok, Portobro, now I ask: How many hours a day are you on this site?
Dominic Lee
Okay here are all my questions reformatted
>Should a child with no parents legally be allowed to starve to death? >Should places such as Museums,war-graves etc that DO NOT MAKE A PROFIT be left to rot due to no funding? >How would a Ancap Italy come up with the funds to protect Pompeii and Herculaneum and all the other sites when just Pompeii by itself needs US$335 million to carry out all the works necessary in Pompeii alone? How would a Ancap society defend itself considering a war effort needs armored vehicles,aircraft,navy trained officers and regulars and people who know how to operate,repair and run all of these? >I can't see Ancap Poland or Russia putting up much of a fight against Nazi Germany and any """""resistance""""" groups attacks just get more civs killed in German reprisal attacks which would burn down crops and line up 10 civs for every soldier killed being we are no longer in a wild west but a industrialized world with total war and if Nazi Germany wanted to expel Russians form Ancap Russia they sure as hell could
Brayden Green
I visit from time to time and then leave it open while I go do other stuff, and post occasionally. In terms of hours, I'd say two intertwined with other stuff but that's around it.
Adrian Turner
You believe prosperous covenants would not have a provision in their contract for what would happen if contract was not respected?
You believe prosperous covenants would not have an in-house security firm or an external one hired to enforce contracts and provide security to the tenants?
Seriously man, you're making me argue for basic logic here.
Zachary Jackson
Why would a powerful state with tomahawk missiles and whatever else want to attack a decentralised region (no state institutions to occupy) which likely houses many producers of things it imports and where all the people are heavily armed.
There would also be private military services that could be hired to defend the area, who would have advanced weaponry (missiles, tanks, etc) as well.
Alexander Robinson
More info about the ways in which SJWs are more or less bottom feeders. We can expect them to be in
>Social sciences >Communication and journalism >Humanities and liberal arts >Arts >Education >Pyschology and social work
In other words, the SJWs are located lower on the earning curve, and as a result and incentivized to ask for wealth transfer from the government, mostly in the forms of jobs created for them.
Gabriel Garcia
I only got past a chunk of the first chapter last night, everything he said about ww1 I knew already. He kinda kinda tied into JQ territory when he spoke of democracy enabling the Bolshevik takeover. Def made me hate Wilson's arrogance trying to topple the monarchs of Europe. (I already knew he was a dick, but now I hate his guts) I left off where he was about to go into his priori theory. I haven't read all that much but I got hooked right away. Definitely interesting from the beginning, no need to force myself to read it.
Caleb Kelly
For starters, let's talk about the basic logistics of just trying to get everybody to sign a contract before they can enter a fucking city. NYC has over 500,000 visitors PER DAY. And you're telling me that you're going to hunt down each and every one of them, every single day, and force them to sign this bullshit contract which doesn't even matter because there is no government to enforce it anyway?
Austin Howard
>War is inherently unprofitable >There will be companies centered around war.
Pick one.
Brayden Williams
Is libertarianism the only system where automation actually helps everybody?
Jack Rivera
Hoppe is basically a NatSoc in denial. Stop autistically sperging at the mention of socialist and acknowledge that Libertarianism without a defining goal like NatSoc is just as retarded as anarchy.
Lincoln Miller
I have a question. How would housing in flats/apartaments work? Will your flat be considered your own property? Or will you have to rent it? What about porches and entrances? Elevators?
Camden Young
Hoppe basically believes that the process of civilization starts with the reduction of time preference and the accumulation of physical capital.
He's no NatSoc, and I doubt that a person with a view to explain the rise of civilization in terms of capital accumulation would tie himself up to an ideology that barely managed to survive for 20 years.
Brandon Ortiz
I never made the argument that war is unprofitable, you're arguing with two people at once and maybe you're getting the two exchanges confused.
There will be a demand for defence contractors/ private military services/ PMCs whatever you want to call them, and supply will rush to meet it. Even if it would be unprofitable to randomly invade areas of land, people would rather be safe than sorry. Maybe after hundreds of years of an-capism things would change, but that's fantasy territory. In the immediate period following total privatisation, the fear of aggression or colonisation will be something people want to defend against.
David Murphy
>Hoppe is basically a NatSoc in denial Clearly hasn't read anything from him other than the physical removal part.
War itself is unprofitable. War prevention and insurance companies (which would also cover war, should the need arise) are not.
Ian Morgan
If a man owns the land that a high rise is built on, he would be able to legally rent it out with a binding contract that the tenant signs. It wouldn't be extremely difficult. The owner of the building could make it firearm free or require everyone to own a firearm before moving in. He could have 'public' areas that all tenants are able to meet in and use. He could give the tenants property rights within his own building.
Robert Nguyen
This situation you describe implies public property.
There's no such thing as visitors that have not been invited by someone else in an Anarcho Capitalist society. And in Anarcho Capitalism, the person inviting would be the one responsible for their invitees following the rules.
Jaxson Jones
Okay, not so different from today. Thanks
Jason Russell
>Is libertarianism the only system where automation actually helps everybody? YES!!
Socialist kiddies claim that capitalism will "collapse" thanks to automation and there will be no jobs available and people will revolt against the system.
This can't be further from the truth. In a free market with free banking and a naturally DEFLATIONARY currency. As production and automation increases, prices for capital and consumer goods fall. People would need to work less hours to get the money they need to have a comfortable life. Many more people would be working part time, like 2-3 days a week which would only open up slots for more people to work. Also people would be retiring much eariler which also decreases unemployment. As the price of capital goods falls it creates a massive high paying service sector industry that will create countless jobs. There would be no unemployment. Leftists whine that manufacturing jobs will disappear, SO WHAT? There's always new service sector jobs and they will pay more and more since these firms will be profitable. Think of turning the entire country into a giant amusement park.
It fucking sucks we don't have a free market now. But whatever it's the world we live in.
Ethan Butler
People would search for law frames that are convenient for them, and thus the market would be landlords offering rental or purchase of spaces within their communities in exchange for signing a contract (sort of constitution).
Jason Morales
This sounds a lot like Venus project
Blake Robinson
It's called free market capitalism. It's the only way to post scarcity. Or at least realistic semi-post scarcity.
Jackson Myers
bump
Is there this few of us?
This is kind of sad.
Jacob Torres
>There's no such thing as visitors that have not been invited by someone else in an Anarcho Capitalist society.
[this kills the entire tourism industry]
Ian Wright
There's less than 10 regulars, and then you have the people asking about what'll happen if we get surprise invaded by Genghis Khan 2.0 which will sometimes push us to bump limit.
Lincoln Hughes
Most right libertarians have jobs. I just bump during my work hours. After work however I can make some phresh oc
Anthony Hughes
What is Hoppes thoughts on anime ?
Nicholas Morris
Nothing. If all of their people go away, it's their fault.
Justin Cox
Thwart their advance and invade them back, take all their shit (muh dik) and retreat back and watch them starve. >what is warfare
Samuel Brown
>What is Hoppes thoughts on anime ? That it's based as fug
Colton Johnson
must be cartoonishly removed
Lincoln Hernandez
Weebs are gross, not having that shit.
Cooper Wilson
We're going to take all their shit and then some to fund ourselves at the expense of our enemies. You think nobody would donate to a military? People get half their shit taken from them by the state and they still donate to fucking hentai artists and shit.
Jackson Hernandez
Now I want a Hoppe X initial d edit
Elijah Anderson
Bro how do we bring Ancap to the statist cucks here in Turkey? Also my history is bad. Was Özal good or bad?
Kayden Richardson
I am in a constant struggle between NatSoc and Libertarianism
Ian Parker
>minarchist >lurk since the inauguration after i realized ptgs opinion is being molded by trump shills too
I don't have much to say honestly, it's not like there are ancap happenings irl.
have a bump
Brody Evans
>r/libertarian Yeah nah mate. From what I've heard, those are lolbergarians over there, not us.
Nolan Watson
Why not both?
Tyler Fisher
Commies hate anime. Capitalists love anime.
Capitalism created anime.
Jordan Thomas
İdk man maybe after a big civil war we can go back to our ancient way of life and maybe we could live as small clans. I dont know much about Özal desu sorry i dont wanna misinform you. What do you think about LDP are they a meme ?
Charles Harris
Before Trump and flags, Sup Forums war purely ideology discussion and some /k/-tier threads. I miss them. Libertarians and NatSoc got along well.
Grayson Turner
Are you high? Stop by /cg/ and watch commies dump their anime folder. Also everything was created by capitalism because communism doesn't produce anything.
Nicholas Wilson
>>Should a child with no parents legally be allowed to starve to death? How? We don't have a centrally-planned economy, there's a way they can put themselves to use. Also, we have a no-child-left-behind policy, so in our covenants, that kid is taken care of by any of us. >>Should places such as Museums,war-graves etc that DO NOT MAKE A PROFIT be left to rot due to no funding? Ideally they had been erected by donations and that's how they're gonna be maintained. If not, well, that society does not deserve to remember their past. >>How would a Ancap Italy come up with the funds to protect Pompeii and Herculaneum and all the other sites when just Pompeii by itself needs US$335 million to carry out all the works necessary in Pompeii alone? If a site is discovered (universities do that shit for prestige as much as for knowlege), a fundraiser is launched, with the site later being used as a museum, either on site or separately. >>How would a Ancap society defend itself considering a war effort needs armored vehicles,aircraft,navy trained officers and regulars and people who know how to operate,repair and run all of these? A military is important for the functioning of a society, so all military-abled people are taught how to handle weapons and equipment by those whose time in the militia is up. There's a demand for that shit, you know. Plus people generally like seeing their fuckhuge army parading through their streets. >>I can't see Ancap Poland or Russia putting up much of a fight against Nazi Germany and any """""resistance""""" groups attacks just get more civs killed in German reprisal attacks which would burn down crops and line up 10 civs for every soldier killed being we are no longer in a wild west but a industrialized world with total war and if Nazi Germany wanted to expel Russians form Ancap Russia they sure as hell could Poland used volunteers in 1920 to hold off the (((Soviet))) invasion, mostly ethnically Polish USAF WWI veterans.
Alexander Perez
>Stop by /cg/ and watch commies dump their anime folder. what is /cg/?
and what the fuck are you talking about? communism bans anime and other forms of bourgeoisie media