Hello Comrades. This general is for the discussion of Marxism-Leninism, the ideology of revolutionary socialism and communism.
Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage.
What exactly is communism according to Marxist-Leninists:
>Communism is a stage of society in which the productive infrastructure is socially owned, and goods are produced not in order to sell for profit, but in order to meet a social need. >Communism in it's full form is a stateless, classless society that follows the maxim "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need." >To achieve such a society Marxism-Leninism teaches us that we must replace the capitalist state, which is controlled by the capitalist class, by a socialist state, which is controlled by the working class. Then, a period of class struggle follows in which the capitalist class is liquidated by the working class. When the capitalist class has been completely vanquished, there will be only one class, the working class, and eventually the functions of the state will become indistinguishable from the functions of the society as a whole, and the state as such will 'wither away' as Marx said. marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/
Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.
Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.
Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:
>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD >Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD >To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people. gommies.gom/fug/ gommies.gom/starve/
----------------------------------------- Da sdages of gommunism.
>Sdage one Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.
>Sdade two Withering All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.
>Sdage three Gommunism. No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.
Hudson Perry
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Landon Moore
Fuck off commie fag
Cameron Miller
Also anyone wanna join my tekkit classic server
Xavier Gonzalez
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Carson Hernandez
Hello, my communist friends! It's great to see our movement growing here, even in the depths of a website infested with neo-nazis.
I have an important question.
I greatly enjoy Blacked.com. I feel like the website truly promotes the future: beautiful, "Aryan" white women being used as cumdumpsters by the superior Big Black Man with a Big Black Cock! But I don't know if supporting this website means I'm espousing capitalism. Please help.
Levi Moore
Please join my minecraft server
Lincoln Perez
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Jack King
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Jack Flores
It won't work fellas
Kayden Gomez
>give me your redpills /leftypol/ Specifically, the work you do is always worth more than what you are paid, because the capitalist can sell whatever it is you produce for more than you were paid in wages. The productive forces of our society are controlled by a tiny elite instead of by the people, so what ends up happening is that millions of proles sweat their lives away while the porky bastards windsurf in Hawaii. To put it in terms you might be more familiar with, capitalists are the ultimate welfare queens. >my stance on hatred of jews and niggers will never change. To say that your position on any topic will never change is to declare yourself to be beyond reason. That said, those "jews" and "evil niggers" are your natural allies regardless of what you think about them, because they are being exploited just like you are. The leftist position on racism is as much about pragmatism as it is about a commitment to equality.
The basic gist is that capitalism is inherintly broken. Companies want to make as much money as possible which means paying works the smallest amount possible. Eventually workers can't afford to buy things, meaning the whole system collapses. Currently with automation we are going to see a huge loss of jobs that will make the concept of full employment obsolete - so who is going to buy things? Communism isn't some grand fucking conspiracy about race or western civilisation - its just a question of economics.
Luke Young
>/leftypol/
Leo Martin
>>>implying Sup Forums wants capitalism either
>>>enthostate
Joshua Hughes
No, you fucking clown. Under communism, everyone gets paid the same no matter what they do except for the politicians.
Under capitalism, the way you describe it, your value to your employer (if you aren't the employer) directly attributes to how much you get paid for your time spent working for them. The more valuable you are, the more you get paid. It's that simple.
Under communism, there is no point in working harder and being more valuable if you're going to get paid the same regardless. Under capitalism, motivation is there to be a better worker because that proves your value and therefore, earns you more spending power. Take an economics 101 class my friend.
Logan Peterson
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Ayden Phillips
A communist society would free individuals from long working hours by first automating production to an extent that the average length of the working day is reduced and second by eliminating the exploitation inherent in the division between workers and owners. A communist system would thus free individuals from alienation in the sense of having one's life structured around survival (making a wage or salary in a capitalist system), which Marx referred to as a transition from the "realm of necessity" to the "realm of freedom." As a result, a communist society is envisioned as being composed of an intellectually-inclined population with both the time and resources to pursue its creative hobbies and genuine interests, and to contribute to creative social wealth in this manner. Karl Marx considered "true richness" to be the amount of time one has at his or her disposal to pursue one's creative passions. Marx's notion of communism is in this way radically individualistic.
Lucas Wright
>Science fiction Memeber when we were supposed to have flying cars in 2017
Nathaniel Ward
BEHOLD, Sup Forums OUR "NATURAL ALLIES"
YOU HAVE NOTHING IN COMMON WITH DENNIS, THE ENTREPRENEUR OPPRESSING YOU WITH HIS RIDESHARING STARTUP
IT IS MKEMBE, WHO CANNOT FEED HIMSELF OR HIS FAMILY BECAUSE HE RIPPED UP ALL THE IRRIGATION EQUIPMENT TO SELL FOR SCRAP, THAT IS YOUR TRUE COMPATRIOT
Wyatt Roberts
because you're probably the worst LARPer on the internet
Carter Campbell
flying cars haven't been invented because it's a stupid fucking idea and there is no economic pressures into developing the technology.
Christian Taylor
How's Venezuela doing???
Michael Mitchell
And under a communist government, you get to go to the store and buy a sandwich with only two pieces of ham on it because that is what the state permits. No more, no less.
Under a capitalist system of government, the means of production will give you your sandwich with the option to have as many pieces of ham as you want, along with other condiments. This is available so long as you work for it, and work your way up the economic chain.
And that is why communism will never work. Although it is valid, it relies on a man to settle. Alpha males do not settle, and that is common throughout nature itself, even outside of the human species. That is why communism is flawed, and that is why you should kill yourself.
/thread
Gabriel Rodriguez
you see comrade marxism eliminate race and class so it only natural to find those in need and give them your wife for him to seize means of reproduction. monogamy is like monopoly, and is thus capitalistic concept.
Blake Walker
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Joshua Richardson
Liberals = it doesn't matter if our people get replaced as long as our new citizens share our national values.
/leftypol/ = It doesn't matter if our people get replaced as long as our new comrades have a class consciousness.
David Brooks
Fug you gommie! No stebbing on benis :DDD
Blake Sullivan
It won't be a stupid idea once automated cars become a thing but as of right now that's science fiction
Thomas Wood
>our national values. what values are those, the only line these jews let us have is having any line at all
Lincoln Bailey
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Joseph Cooper
Since when did gommunists become champions of sexual moral?
Connor Ward
Why should I pick communism over National Socialism?
Brayden Garcia
Of course, from fucking Spain
Kevin Jackson
>Stalin ate huge six-hour dinners in his summer home while the proletariat ate rationed food in meager communal apartments Why do commies worship the USSR when it's one of the biggest examples of communism failing?
Levi Hughes
the bourgeoisie are the class which owns the means of production but does not use them you can think of the means of production as anything 'used' to generate profit e.g. a factory, a shop, a car, machinery, etc if you own means of production but are self-employed, and do not employ anyone else, then you are not bourgeois if you do not literally own means of production but in effect control it, you are bourgeois (e.g. CEOs who do not literally own their companies, but as they run the company they 'own' it in the sense that they decide what is done with it, they decide their own wages, etc) a good litmus test: ''1. do you work for a wage? 2. do you get to decide your wage? 3. do you get to decide anyone else's wage?'' if yes to 1 but not to 2 or 3, you are not bourgeois if yes to 1 and 2 but not to 3, you are petit-bourgeois if yes to all three, you are in effect bourgeois if you do not work for a wage at all, but rather own the means of production directly, then you are absolutely bourgeois
Jason Richardson
The bourgeoisie are the class which owns the means of production but does not use them you can think of the means of production as anything 'used' to generate profit e.g. a factory, a shop, a car, machinery, etc if you own means of production but are self-employed, and do not employ anyone else, then you are not bourgeois if you do not literally own means of production but in effect control it, you are bourgeois (e.g. CEOs who do not literally own their companies, but as they run the company they 'own' it in the sense that they decide what is done with it, they decide their own wages, etc) a good litmus test: ''1. do you work for a wage? 2. do you get to decide your wage? 3. do you get to decide anyone else's wage?'' if yes to 1 but not to 2 or 3, you are not bourgeois if yes to 1 and 2 but not to 3, you are petit-bourgeois if yes to all three, you are in effect bourgeois if you do not work for a wage at all, but rather own the means of production directly, then you are absolutely bourgeois
If you own a small shop that you run for a living making 50k USD a year you are petite bourgois. If you are a heart surgeon making 150k USD a year but you work for a hospital and you aren't in charge of hiring of firing anyone you are fully proletarian. Labour aristocracy maybe but still proletarian. It is not a question of income, but a question of ones relationship to the means of production.
Nicholas Flores
how is now, with capitalism, not the easiest its ever been to possess means of production?
Charles Jackson
That didn't answer the question whatsoever.
Stalin didn't do a lick of manual labour as a General Secretary and de facto leader of the soviet union, but lived in opulence with lavish meals and a fancy house while the working men and women toiled away and lived in cramped communal apartments.
As he was part of the ruling class of the USSR and thus had influence over the wages of the proletariat, would this make him a bourgeois pig for exploiting the labours of others to live in luxury?
Parker Rodriguez
You support Trump?
Christian Wood
I agree with your critiques of capitalism but why should I chose Communism over National Socialism
Matthew Garcia
stop
Christian Perry
no
Elijah Garcia
Because MUH FASCISM GOY
Robert Rodriguez
Wait, so how are you a fascist if you don't support American imperialism?
Chase Jackson
Imperialism is antithetical to nationalism
Jacob Thomas
>redpill The idea of social/economic/political equality for individuals is a manifestation of the oxymoron, equal individuals. The entire ideology is predicated on a philosophical impossibility, hence the failure everytime it's been tried
Lincoln Young
But Assad doesn't trade his oil in US dollars. Neither do Russia and Iran. And China wants to be a superpower. They are all a threat to the petrodollar system, which allow US to print money without consequence.
How do you NOT deal with threats to your nation?
Colton Roberts
Communism maxim = From each according to their ability. To each according to their needs.
Liam Peterson
You can rationalize your broken worldview all you want, but at it's core it's philosophically impossible to achieve.
Lincoln Robinson
Answer me, LARPer.
Jaxson Richardson
>classifying wars fought for Israel as petrodollor wars Good goy
Isaiah Torres
hitler wasnt real fascism
Gabriel Thomas
If you paid attention to the US budget, USA gives more money to Israel's enemies than to Israel. Israel is just a casus belli printer.
Xavier Powell
Somehow has to have the communism memeball for "we starved everyone but its okay because we put a dog in space"
Ryder Gray
Any example of a famine during the soviet space program ?
Jose Williams
I don't support capitalism as I said here
Adrian Ward
You mad?
Brayden Rodriguez
Fuck off rat I'm not interested in hearing about your delusions.
Luis Myers
If you paid attention to Israel's motives that would make sense to you
Zachary Flores
>Demand unreasonable quotas from Ukrainian farmers, selling most of it to fund his stupid plans and military expansions >Exile dissenters >Blockade Ukrainian villages preventing the transport of food into the villages and the hungry from leaving in search of food >Commie scum pretends none of this happens and strawmans it as LOL HE MADE THE RAIN GO AWAY THEY BURNED THEIR OWN FOOD FOR SOME REASON
I asked above why I should pick comunism over National Socialism.
>now shoo no
Jace Morris
COMMUNISM IS THE FINAL REDPILL POLL ACCEPT IT
Carson Sanders
>If you paid attention to the US budget, USA gives more money to Israel's enemies than to Israel If you paid any attention to Sup Forums and /news/ or where not a kike lover you'd know this is a defacto lie and missrepresentation of facts only JIDF shills spam because Jewistan is literally spoonfed like a spoiled brat by the U.S.
Brayden Nelson
>asking why he should pick an ideology he already subscribes to over an ideology he doesn't You stopped making sense. You need to actually act like a National Socialist. If you already accept Margsist egonomix, then there is nothing to debate.
Liam Brown
Thats not exactly contradictionary to what hes advocating for.
Leo James
National Socialism and Communism are pretty different.
>You stopped making sense you some how equated National Socialism to Neo liberalism then claimed I was a Nazbol for not being a neo liberal
No one has answered my questions on Why a National Socialist would pick communism.
Leo Turner
NatSoc Germany hated communism and Marxism. Marx didn't invent Socialism, either, everything Marx injected into Socialism is a failure, just like his followers.
Grayson Sullivan
>jingoism is neoliberal
Is this where you pretend that you're proposing a different economic system?
Logan Wilson
>autistic NEETs believing in a collectivist ideology
tippity top kek
Nathaniel Morales
Why would I chose communism over national socialism
Ryan Bennett
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Austin Reed
National Socialism is still capitalist. No, you can't regulate your way out of capitalism.
Brody Morris
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Levi Ross
I come to these threads just to read this
Ayden Hernandez
>National Socialism is still capitalist. No, you can't regulate your way out of capitalism.
National Socialism replaces capitalism with National Socialism just as the USSR replaced tsarism with state socialism
Matthew Perry
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Blake Harris
How many hot dogs have you eaten today timmy?
William Richardson
The "We are socialists..." quote is by Gregor Strasser.
Hitler banned unions, privatized most state owned enterprises and worker wages stagnated while the profits of the 1% soared.
Andrew Thompson
boola boola
Carson Gray
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Dominic Jackson
>Germany >debt free ayy lmao
Jaxon Williams
National Socialism is still capitalism.
Nicholas Scott
The economic system is a direct contrast to Communist/Leninist Socialism in terms of underlaying philosophy. When Socialists were robbing everyone to industrialize the nation he came up with the idea that "C-communism comes next," and clearly it never happened. People suffered due to mismanagement, indicating its handlers lack of care for the people they were screwing. Not that it mattered, since they just threw them in a ditch or sent them to gulags. That said a lot about the people who subscribed to Marxist Socialism.
NatSoc doesn't represent unrealistic and naive notions of a classless nation without a state or private property. It took care of its people when it nationalized its industries and liberated them from its debt and made them a leading world nation in many ways.
Another way National Socialism spit in Marx's face is that it directly aggrandized its own culture. Germans not only knew who they were, but were very proud of it.
Also, I'd like to see proof of Germans operating work camps before WW2. They were out of the depression well before the war, and I don't recall famines or slavery being the practice.(like the USSR Communists /leftypol/ admires) They seemed to do pretty well at taking care of their people, even.
Aiden Lopez
Nevermind that Germany would've gone bankrupt if it didn't go to war.
Mason Wood
you're just shit posting at this point. All you've proven was that National Socialism is not Marxist socialism. It's not Hitler hated Marxists.
National(folkish) Socialism hands the means of production to the folk not the international proletariat
National Socialism preaches class collaboration not class war
Caleb Parker
Why does this one faggot from Spain keep posting these stupid ass threads?
It makes me feel /comfy/ knowing we got Spurdobros watching our backs for these sorts of threads.
Truly the best copypasta.
Bentley Hernandez
Socialism is Socialism, nationalization of industry, especially banks. Privatization is banned in Socialism, but that doesn't means you can't buy a house.
Thomas Rogers
>National Capitalism >class collaboration >not exporting poverty and exploiting foreign workers to prop up your own system Fascist economics will collapse worse than globalist capitalism.
We differentiate between personal and private property.
Christian Nelson
So the rich will get richer, while the poor will get poorer and they are expected to put up with this, because muh Nation™!
Do you even know why capitalists today exploit foreign and illegal workers instead of their own citizens?
Joshua Diaz
>not exporting poverty and exploiting foreign workers to prop up your own system what are the gulags
>Fascist economics will collapse worse than globalist capitalism. circa 1991 USSR
Jaxon Allen
What I don't get is that a communist country must have a central bank whose economists plan the centrally planned economy. Yet somehow, these bankers in complete control of the economy in communism is better than when the bankers were in complete control in capitalism. I can't wrap my brain around that.
Jason Hughes
Why would workers exploit themselves? When you nationalize industry that means bosses don't own anything, ti's workers who pick bosses, it's workers who fire bosses, it's workers who decide laws, it's workers who pick tax. Boss and worker sit by same table, each big company has own cooks, no need to import food, no need to migrate, everything is everywhere in perfect Communism, not dependent on anybody, but the laws that were written from ground up by workers, their bosses voted by workers, and their top bosses voted into Communist party. You can't steal money in Socialism, you get shot by army and all finances are public and controlled by special financial institution owned by workers, as well as bank is owned by workers, as well as insurance company is owned by workers, they control each other.
Alexander Jones
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Josiah Jones
>what are the gulags Even at its most oppressive, USSR had 0.8% of the population. USA, by the way, has 1% of its population in prisons, which are also privatized, and 13th Amendment allows to turn them into slaves.
