Answer this question honestly. Why is universal basic income a bad thing...

Answer this question honestly. Why is universal basic income a bad thing? Why should someone be forced to spend their entire life having making someone else richer? Why should they be forced to sacrifice personal happiness and live a fulfilling life? With automation on the rise, traditional means of income will die off and even with current means most don't make enough to support themselves.

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it isn't. in a few decades the first world may be rich enough to afford it, but we arent yet

>Why should someone be forced to spend their entire life having making someone else richer?

Lives in a capitalist country, thinks he's forced to work for the man. Top Kek!

That would only work in a white community.

Alternatively one could work their whole life to make themselves richer by utilizing their time and energy efficiently.

In a few decades with the rise of niggers and sand niggers there will no longer be a first world ya dumbfucks.

A universal basic income would have required breaking Wall Street's monopoly over the money supply.

Nagahappen.

The globalists' plan for the happy day when robots can do all the jobs the human working class do now is to exterminate us, because we'll have outlived our usefulness as wage-slaves.

>spend their entire life having making someone else richer?
because you become richer in the process
>Why should they be forced to sacrifice personal happiness and live a fulfilling life?
that all depends on the person
>With automation on the rise, traditional means of income will die off and even with current means most don't make enough to support themselves.
simply move into non-automatable professions
I'd hate to say this but it is only right for land and housing to be this expensive as it could possibly last you and your family for generations
I believe that Australian soil is ridiculously high as you do not have the right to defend it the way you see fit, but specific American soils are certainly worth it

It's not. But it's not possible until the country is completely civilized.

I may not speak for everyone, but I find hard work for honest pay to be incredibly satisfying.

Universal Basic Income is living in perpetual 'participation award' mode. You're not getting paid to work hard, you're not getting paid to do creative things, you're not getting paid to use your intelligence to benefit others, you're getting paid just for existing, and that's retarded.

If you show up to a game or a competitive event knowing that no matter what the outcome, no matter how much or how little effort you put in, you're going to take home the same trophy or award and get exactly the same level of apathetic recognition as every other person there, then you don't have a whole lot of incentive to actually put any effort in.

It would be foolish to eliminate humanity which gave you those goodies in the first place. It would be cutting a golden goose. Imagine I am a golden billion, boy it would suck without your entertaining me delivering all those hillarious webms of your stupidity (and there're many more functions you're having robots and ai's will never overcome you about)

>Why should someone be forced to spend their entire life having making someone else richer?

Yeah, why the fuck should I be forced to spend my money to make niggers richer? I don't want to pay for basic income.

> Why should someone be forced to spend their entire life having making someone else richer?

Your argument is self defeating. Universal basic income is equivalent to forcing all the people with jobs to work even harder to make a bunch of ungrateful NEETs richer.

Because we need to just allow deflation to happen

Ok then retard, say you give out universal basic income. Then everyone stops working, because why work when you get free cash?

You will get your universal basic income on one condition

>You will get sterilized

Basic income is never going to happen. Lazy shit bags will never take over. Frankly anyone who's not a child and doesn't work should not eat.

I think universal basic income is an inevitability in a neo-liberal world with a continued focus on progressivism and and an intense focus on robotic engineering.

I don't like it, but I have little control over it.

>Why should someone be forced to spend their entire life having making someone else richer?
>it's another "retard doesn't know how to make his own money" episode.

The basic premise won't work.

Let's say you give everyone 20k a year. Then everyone stops working fuck paying 20k a year in taxes when you only make 30k a year total, just keep the 20k and fuck the moochers.

Then there is no tax income, how do you keep paying 20k a year?

The reality wouldn't be in absolutes, because people making 200k a year would still work, but if you think I'm going to bust my ass for 40 hours a week for labor that is compensated at 2 dollars an hour above what I'd get doing nothing, you're fucking retarded.

well a lot of people will still work because 20k aint enough.

this then extends out. people making 30-40k stop working because they don't want to pay 20k in taxes, now people still working have to pay 40k in a taxes, so everyone making 50-60k stops working, because why would you work just to pay taxes when you could make the same amount of money doing nothing? Eventually the whole system fails under its own weight, You guys know we tried this already right? it was called the USSR.

THIS

you're saying you would go to work at McDonalds flipping burgers for 2 dollars an hour instead of cutting back your life style? You might, but the vast majority of people will not.

work or starve, slave.

We already have universal basic income.

Zero.

You want any more than that, you work. Also ask anyone who lived in Soviet Russia about everyone getting 300 rubles a month (400 if you were a doctor or party official). Didn't work.

maybe 10 our 15k enough to live really shitty if you want. people would look for ways to make more money but wouldn't die when they couldn't?

tax robots "income" = problem solved

na i'm need 7-8 just to wear the uniform.

Do you think survival is just handed to you on a plate?
all Animals have to put in a graft to survive.
Fuck even bacteria do. What the fuck are you sayin senpai?

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"The problem with socialism is, eventually you run out of other people's money." - Margaret Thatcher

Also all the replies I see here are materialistic - from a Christian perspective, the chief end of man is to glorify God and enjoy him forever. Six days you shall work, and on the seventh you shall rest. It's not working just for money, but for stewardship of his creation, and the edification and service of others.

>Why should someone be forced to spend their entire life having making someone else richer?

If you're too stupid to enrich yourself instead, you deserve what you got.

>Why should they be forced to sacrifice personal happiness and live a fulfilling life?

Nobody owes you personal happiness and fulfilling life. That's something you have to earn.

>With automation on the rise, traditional means of income will die off

That's the only possible argument for universal basic income, but the idea is still fucking bad, because it will turn most of the population into braindead subhuman trash within a few generations.

Socialism and communism suck in comparison to capitalism.
T. Political refugee

It's just welfare in disguise, since anyone making money gets their UBI as a text rightoff and therefore the only people receiving the money are the ones who would receive welfare anyway. It would have the same failings as welfare.

Universal basic income is bad when everyone is working ( communism )

Universal basic income is good when no one is working ( robot jobs )

Because money has no intrinsic value. It's the labor that gives money value, otherwise anyone with large amounts of paper would be rich. By giving people money, a state would debase it's currency. Automation doesn't solve for any of this. If you introduce money into circulation that has not produced any value, you'll just get hyperinflation.

I think UBI is a bad idea most of the time because it discourages pushing people to work harder or be better. Its a good plan if there is economic collapse and your people can't afford food though.

people will work to be better anyway.

A necessity to work to survive doesn't make you a slave. It makes you alive. If you were a slave, the only thing you'd be allowed to do is work.

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What's everyone going to do for jobs once robots fully take over?

useless eaters should die

If everyone is given free money, the value of the money goes down. It would cause severe inflation and the free money will be worthless.

It's basic economics....

Elon Musk doesn't understand basic economics because all his companies are cash burning Ponzis...

masturbate
netflix
riot
gangs etc
crime
hobby's
inventing new jobs
destroying earth with plastic etc
stop giving a fuck
lose self discipline (not having to do shit to earn money and be able to buy food)
lose self respect (when you do nothing, you have nothing to be proud of)
being depressed
laughing at stupid memes
killing yourself
raping
thinking about the world
doing drugs, drinking etc
feeling disconnected from the world
theoryplotting about robots

everyone working, there just poor.

Corporate tax.
The people who would do fuck all would be a minority, most people will say "cool my basic expenses are covered now the money I make can all be to spend on traveling or doing fuck all"
It's fucking retarded to think that everyone in the nation will stop working because no one settles for minimum wage

i love the no job, you automatically slip in to crime degeneracy argument.

And his organs harvested after he is 20, regardless of if he is still alive or not at that point.

What do you really think niggers are going to do with more free time?

this is why (((they))) are pushing for it
without inflation their entire debt bubble will collapse

the same stuff retries billionaires do with more free time?

Wouldn't it be better to use the surplus working force into other areas as a way to increase productivity, like it has happened before?

Maybe even eventually colonizing other worlds and making humanity great again? It won't be the first time in history that improved industrisl techniques kickstart colonization of new areas.

There's a lot more niggers than billionaires. Like a billion more and growing.

Dude, THAT'S THE POINT.

It's enough to live off of, as in: afford food that won't give you heart disease, modest shelter with no frills, basic medical care, and, for entertainment, a library card and a WiFi connection. If it's anything more than that you're doing it wrong.

UBI doesn't mean "nobody ever has to work again" - obviously. The assumption is that most people wouldn't be satisfied with the literal basic necessities. They certainly wouldn't make very attractive marriage prospects, and wouldn't get to have much fun.

Yes, there would be some real pieces of shit who would choose not to work at all, and of course there are people who for whatever reason are literally unable to hold down jobs, but by and large the point is to redefine the bottom upwards, not make it so nobody has to work.

If you think "wow so naive, way too many people would just stop working" consider that people can do that ALREADY, and the only difference between our current system and UBI is that

1) UBI lets people decide for themselves what they buy with their neetbux, unlike food stamps etc, minimizing the oversight required and reducing the bureaucracy required to maintain the system
and 2) UBI is a nice little bonus that EVERYBODY gets, including the motivated and employed, not a reward for people who are willing and able to game the system, as people who are able but unwilling to work already do

You can't just forcibly push average joes into doing work toward colonizing mars, he isn't going to be able to be useful in a way that isn't also replaceable by automation.

UBI is the most naive answer to the automation problem. Costs will go down because of the labor cuts, and things will be much cheaper. The focus should be on individuals owning devices that meet their basic needs like on-sight energy production and storage, autonomous cars, vertical farms, and everything else can be paid for by returns on investments so they don't need a job to survive.

You're kidding yourself if you think we'll ever get to a point where most people are just able to live off of "investments."

Well, OK, I don't know about "ever", but we sure as fuck won't get there before UBI becomes feasible (not that we're quite there yet either).

>won't get there before UBI becomes feasible
UBI will never be feasible

And where do you expect the money comes from, the birds & bees?

You commies were too retarded for life

It's feasible RIGHT NOW, dude.

It would cost a couple hundred billion dollars / year in the US. If America slashed its military budget -- no, not so much that it became helpless, perhaps just enough that its military spending accounted for a mere 30% of the world total as opposed to 37% -- and transferred money from other programs, which you'd be able to do since the idea is for UBI to replace many other forms of social spending ... it could be accomplished right now. Today.

I agree that would be a bad idea to rush into it, people need some time to get used to the idea before implementing such a drastic change, but it's far from a sci-fi pipe dream.

>working hard
>automation
Pick one

>things will be cheaper
Nope.
Peak commodities like food housing and clothing dont get cheaper anymore. They get more expensive because theres less to go around
The things that do get cheaper are new technologies that benefit from scale of economy. Like electronics.

>They get more expensive because theres less to go around
No they get more expensive because the government give poor people money to keep prices up
Without food stamps food costs would come down

UBI destroys a currency and tries to make old economics fit into a completely different model. When every store becomes a dollar store, and assuming interest rates aren't kept artificially low it would absolutely be possible to make ends meet. When you're talking about automation and AI you're talking about removing the most expensive part in running a business and that will show up in the market.

Hahahaha

FUCK YOU COMMIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE

So are you saying without food stamps food prices would stay the same?

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>When you're talking about automation and AI you're talking about removing the most expensive part in running a business and that will show up in the market.
Doesnt apply to any kind of retail.
Firstly depreciation of assets is still a thing, but arguably it could be less than paying human workers.
Secondly, rent.

Yes. How do foodstamps make the price higher

I don't want the government money they already tell me too much what to do enough with this

You can unless automatons can produce humans.

They create demand
During the great depression before foodstamps the price of food plummeted

Why should anyone work when they feel no satisfaction from it?

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>Why should someone be forced to spend their entire life having making someone else richer?
That is exactly what basic income is you retard, the working class working to make the NEET's richer.
>'but it's muh socialism and the right thing to do'
Fuck off

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Giving people something in exchange for nothing is how you create weak, entitled cunts. Also muh Communism

>consuming food creates demand
O rly! But how is that different from buying the food

do you honestly want to give jamal drug money on a monthly basis?

Prices would have to come down to what they could afford

Do you have a 3d printer for land?

So what youre saying is if they consumed less food it would be cheaper.
Econs 101 but it has nothing to do with automation

If automation puts people out of work then prices will have to come down

The answer is simple: "i had to work, so you have to work too!"

That's just how people think. Someone who's been duped into the jew system, working by 16, in college debt by 24(unless mommy and daddy pay for everything that is), have already slaved away their lives doing shit they didn't wanna do. The idea of someone not having to go through that when they did infuriates them to no end.


In reality, if people were given a basic income jobs would have to pay more, people would have more time to focus on school and fields they actually care about(and they can in-turn make more money and not need basic income anymore).

Because they all die?
Please make yourself clear

Lots of jobs are already being taken over by robots, starting with McJob and moving on from there.

If they dont have money to consume what will keep prices up
And government spending is keeping prices up

Why not less taxes and money printing?

>Why should someone be forced to spend their entire life having making someone else richer?

Said, while advocating someone else is forced to work so that he can have money he didn't earn.

Irony is totally lost on you brain dead Marxists.

Because if everybody had money, then money would be worthless.

Fucking moron.

There is plenty of land to build on.

Because the financial industry will collapse without inflation and (((they))) cant have that

Universal Basic Income is the silliest fantasy I have ever seen.

It cannot function with a nation that trades its goods with other nations.

It also ignores niggers entirely. No fucking way will a system like this be able to handle the explosion in the population they will cause.

>basic income given to everyone, $4000 a month
>McDonalds now costs $200 for a meal

Ubi could be made great, and affordable. People that need it most would just spend it on air Jordans and new I phones though. That's why ubi needs to replace all current section 8 and food stamp programs.

Wagies constantly go on about how they owe society by working and you must have a job, but they're always miserable. The idea you need a job has to die to live has to die.

And when no one works what do you think happens? When the rich move away what do you think happens? Why do you think you are entitled to other people's money?

Remember $.99 Big Macs?
Well now that you can spend food stamps on fast for they are $4.00