Would Muslims governments be actually better than the Liberal-Left ones?

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At least with a Muslim gov you can close the borders.

Overall, I don't think so.

There are some things that a muslim government would introduce that would make a lot of Sup Forums members happy, but overall the restrictions on freedom would make it awful.

No drinking, no bacon, no gambling, no investing, hard/impossible to get girls outside of marriage, generally shit tier culture (no expressive music/TV/film).

Also fuck all industry/STEM/innovation due to to whole praying 6 hours a day shit.

>muh degeneracy

Of course, look at all the wonderful Muslim run countries out there, can't find a single fault with any of them....

'Degeneracy' is a bleed of basic human desires/functions.

It happens.

It's not conducive to a cohesive, productive society.

It shouldn't be open, public or encouraged, but if want to live in a country where you get beheaded for drinking, cheating or not converting/praying then enjoy it mate

I suppose Muslim countries at least allow you to raise children in a sane environment. Sane compared to leftism

I think the one redeeming factor about Islamic countries is that there's still a lot of ethnic tribalism. They might pretend they're a brotherhood, but Turks, Arabs, Pakis and Nigerians etc see each other as very different people.

>if want to live in a country where you get beheaded for drinking
Sharia says lashing not beheading.

I think that's fair.

>due to to whole praying 6 hours a day shit
Most Muslims don't do that

>No drinking, no bacon, no gambling
You think people in, say, Egypt or Iran don't do that?

>hard/impossible to get girls outside of marriage
oh no, how terrible it is that girls are not sluts!

Fuck not

>sane

>forced genital mutilation
>gender separated education
>when daddy can have up to 7 other wives/families that are not mommy


okay

First offence is lashings.

If you're a repeat offender its bye bye tho

Why do you think muslim countries are as shitty as they are? Hell no, the only answer is to expunge the liberal-left and get right-thinking minds in. Fuck Islam, fuck muslims, fuck semites, we only need European ideals and they don't extend to sand-shithole subhumans.

>gender separated education
you mean like that in elite british schools? Terrifying!

>when daddy can have up to 7 other wives/families that are not mommy
this is only for wealthy Muslims

>forced genital mutilation
Idk how prevalent this is

Indonesian here, no.

>thinking this is actually how it would be

Ever research Bahrain or the UAE, or Lebanon, or literally any other country that isn't Saudi Arabia or Iran? Most Muslims don't even want to have complete Shariah law outside Wahhabi fucks

>we only need European ideals
Last time they were seen was probably the 18/19 century. Muslims could destroy the Left actually

>are as shitty as they are?
and dying Europeans running on debt are great? With governments deliberately demoralizing people?

Saudi shill get out.

yes, but they need to govern high races, not 80 IQ subhumans.

lmao, jafar, for real, get out.

You could get an entire city block high with just the drug-ridden chink cum in your Melburian fag ass. Does your nanny state give you a tax break for larping as a puritanical Tory?

>ban pork
>ban alcohol
>ban freedom of speech
>let Muslim men "marry" up to four Western women --> all children automatically Muslim
>force Arabic culture on Westerners

Sure liberal-left governments are annoying but nowhere near as bad.

All it takes is one Wahhabi preacher and a generation of susceptible muslim youth and you now have a generation of extremists.

Enjoy de-brainwashing 1000s of low IQ violent religious extremists lol

>girls are not sluts
do you even Morocco? I can have a whore all night 4 10 Euros and is a mulism country

He's not wrong. Sup Forums never actually argues anything legitimate when the actual benefits of Islam is brought up. You just deny it because you see it as sandnigger religion but don't realize that Islam could rid the West of any leftists ideology

Go back to your shithole, retarded leb

LOL and she would be offended by pork after selling herself for sex?

>All it takes is one Wahhabi preacher and a generation of susceptible muslim youth and you now have a generation of extremists.

The roots of extremism don't just solely rely on extremist preachers. Extremism breeds in places with turmoil because it appeals to people who want to find a solution to the things they see in their country. Extremism will always exist. Antifa is extremists. It's not a reason to ignore the benefits of an ideology as a whole

Many could say that the average Sup Forumsacks worldview is an extremist worldview

>rid the west of any leftist ideology

and then rid the west of the ideology/freedoms that made it the west in the first place

I know, I was just responding to his stupid argument, I know Muslims aren't virtuous or pious

>ban freedom of speech
Damn, I won't see this defecation on Christ in this art gallery, what a loss

>all children automatically Muslim
That's unfortunate, but at least the Left would be very much diminished because of islamic influence

ofc, is just like Tijuana Manilla or some shit like that, you can find whatever you want there

We do but you isis types have a very short memory, even shorter than your penis and fuze combined.

>no pork
>no alcohol
Mb UAE or Oman can be better than liberals but that is a rare example

>freedoms that made it the west in the first place
Contraception, pornography, sex education didn't make the West

Anyway, we can't artificially just cause a religious revival in the West and defend it against Islam. Muslims would at least bring some moderation

>not being able to get sex outside marriage = a 'stupid argument'

KEK CONFIRMED

Can't you just admit that at this point in time the principles of liberty and democracy that the West was founded on have been a failure?

Christianity upheld morals in society, Christianity is now the face of the decaying West. The reason the West could have freedom and still stay moral was because everyone was religious. Now that the church has lost it's power, people are turning to atheism and nihilism, which makes them tolerant of everything, which is why we now have people debating whether or not it's ok to let men into women's bathrooms. People need something to uphold the moral fiber in society, religion is a necessary component to prevent degeneracy and nihilism from causing social decay. Islam is the fastest growing religion and it can substitute where Christianity was, upholding the moral standards that the West lacks

wrong

>We do but you isis types have a very short memory, even shorter than your penis and fuze combined.
>we-we have arguments!
>but I'll cop out and just say your penis is small instead! hahah BTFO

Thanks for proving my point

Free speech, individual rights, property rights and voluntary charity did however. Maybe not in Poland, because both Russian and German occupation both destroyed the polish intelligencia. But in France, the British empire or its errant overseas colony?

I'm talking more about freedom of speech, the commitment to scientific progress and the ability to have a minimal code of law that doesn't tell us what to eat/drink/wear/fuck based on a book from 1200 years ago that was written by a peadophile in the desert

>not being able to get sex outside marriage = a 'stupid argument'
you're the reason why Muslims are so culturally vibrant compared to Europeans

>Damn, I won't see this defecation on Christ in this art gallery, what a loss
I'm an atheist so I don't care about insulting Christianity. Although I do facepalm at the double standard with insulting Islam.

An Islamic government wouldn't let you say that Islam is built on a lie, right? I care about the truth and believe that Muslims resort to violence because they cannot win a rational argument, for example Mohammed just made up the whole story.

Look at indonesia.
It's like the most advanced of muslims.
And then think how our society would look like.

Rate.

>countries where bombs go off every day are sane
>religion that convinces you to suicide bomb is sane
A bunch of people in Egypt just died for eating bacon and drinking.
Girls being sluts is not the only option between islamic rule and degeneracy, so that argument doesn't stand.
Letting boys and girls be around each other in school is arguably healthy. Islamic countries, without fail, treat women badly. There's a difference between a traditional motherly woman serving a family, and an oppressed woman. I personally have a moral problem with women being raped, beaten, splashed with acid, and having their clit cut off.
You trash talk Europe because Europe has degraded, not because Islam is superior. If Europe restored a lot of its tradition and morals (basically, if Christianity made a comeback), it would be better.

happy?
No one types out arguments because they should be common sense.
Islam would purge Europe and North America of much more than just our left end of the political spectrum.

>Mb UAE or Oman can be better than liberals but that is a rare example

It's not a rare example because Islam plus capitalism is working in areas like that. Now imagine Islam practiced by high IQ people in a capitalist society. You know what that is? A return to the social values of the 1950's in America but with a different religion as the means of upholding social standards.

You guys are just hesitant to take the final redpill, you can't even see an ally to your beliefs when it's clear that we agree with more than we disagree

>Free speech, individual rights, property rights and voluntary charity did however
but that was possible when there was a self-restraining mechanism in place called christian morality

with that gone, Marxists are now delibaretely trying to demoralize people and have given people the false notion of living standards because of debt

Roaches being roaches assuming the quotes are real

This. These fuckers don't want to admit it

>And then think how our society would look like
It would be poorer, but more decent. Stupider, but at least people would live in a more natural, person-suited environment

>Completely wrong interpretation of Nihilism

Nihilism calls for the death of all religion, and it encourages the individual to find his own values and reasons to become stronger and overcome temptations and vices.

It's not a simple 'muhh nothing matters I'm gonna kms'

If you need a Daddy figure in the form of Government/Religion to enforce a fixed moral code then you are probably too weak to ever achieve this.

>Damn, I won't see this defecation on Christ in this art gallery, what a loss
You keep boiling down an entire piece of the foundation structure of western civilization into one sentence about the very worst part of it.
There are plenty of problems with no freedom of speech.
Muslim rule wouldn't even eliminate left leaning people or ideas.

> csn't you just admit freedom was a failure
> we need something to uphold it
> i know, lets turn to a cult whose name in sandniggerspeak translates to
SUBMISSION
Even the so called atheists have more in common with christians than anyone in the west has with muslims. You are either one of them and you're lying as usual or you really have no idea what islam is about, in which case go educate yourself.

>Contraception, pornography, sex education didn't make the West
see
>Muslims would at least bring some moderation
you've got to be trolling right?

We have muslim governments.
Move to one and find out.

>Islam would purge Europe and North America of much more than just our left end of the political spectrum.

This is implying that the religion would somehow be the same in countries with more education, that aren't resource cursed where the government doesn't just export resources and never diversifies the economy, where war hasn't happened for a long time, with generations of people growing up in safe societies.

You attribute all the problems of Islam with the doctrine of the religion and not the additional factors that make Muslim countries bad. I could say Christianity is a failure because 85% of Africa is Christian but that would be stupid wouldn't it? Christianity is not why Africa is a disaster

>is arguably healthy
this is why top british schools are boys or girls schools

>If Europe restored
I agree but what if there's realistically only a choice between Marxism and Islam, Islam would be better

>I personally have a moral problem with women being raped, beaten, splashed with acid, and having their clit cut off
But that's only with women who break the law. If you shut up, then you're safe. And anyways, do you think that in an atheistic society you won't have an increase in violence due to failed private lives? It's only a matter of time. Wait for the next economic collapse and you'll see

>you've got to be trolling right?
Muslims compared to Marxists bring sanity, yes, this is where we are

>If you need a Daddy figure in the form of Government/Religion to enforce a fixed moral code then you are probably too weak to ever achieve this.

Yeah because society has done so much better as religion has died in the West right? It's not like religion was the one thing that kept society from being taken over by degenerates. Religion keeps people from being seduced by feminism, faggotry, drugs, and almost all over forms of degeneracy

Marxism is rooted in christian morality too. Remember these people think they are doing good. Ultimately, what is going to save the west is free speech. I think the reverse has happened, we have become too politically correct and in the process lost our edge.

The western world is more free in some ways and more restrictive in others. If you grow up in a middle class or upper middle class neighborhood there are lots of parasitic psychiatric doctors who create a very emotionally restrictive environment for the children and they make a lot of money drugging children and women for having normal emotions. And they do this by criminalizing normal emotions.

So when examining western laws and comparing them to sharia law you also have to include the psychiatric manuals because the mental health system is also a legal system that has systems of incarceration and punishment for people who transgress social norms.

Time to educate yourself on the sandniggers.

>SUBMISSION

Except you are making it sound scarier than it actually is you retard. Submission in this case means submitting to living a pious life under a strict moral code. You are not enslaving yourself, you are choosing to live a better life by submitting to Allah. You are submitting when you are a Christian as well

>Even the so called atheists have more in common with christians than anyone in the west has with muslims.

Atheists are all losers who live a life of degeneracy because they feel entitled to only care about themselves. Muslims and Christians share way more in common because we are technically worshiping two different sects of the same religion you idiot. Atheists do not care about society, only themselves, religion looks to bettering the individual and serving the greater good of society.

> You are either one of them and you're lying as usual or you really have no idea what islam is about, in which case go educate yourself.

No you are wrong because you picture Islam as if it is all Wahhabi or ISIS-tier nonsense.

>every Muslim country is backest of backwater Saudi Arabia
t. someone who has been all over North Africa

You're entire thread is based on terrible arguments for a hypothetical situation?
We have more choices than marxism and islam.
Setting ridiculous laws and saying you're fine if you don't break them is not good government.
Taking away the fundamental structure that made western civilization superior is not good government (same answer to )
Multimple times ITT you've basically said
>yes this would make us poorer and dumber and make our countries suck more but at least we wouldn't have leftists
but that's not even true. There are left leaning people in Syria and Iran. People would still want government control of healthcare and corporations and all of that, but then on top of that we have to deal with all the bullshit from an islamic government that you've admitted is bad. So your terrible proposed solution wouldn't even solve the problem you're trying to say it would.
If you want to save the west, the west needs to take control of it's culture and guide it towards the future.
But you don't sound like you want to save the west, you sound like you want to get ass raped by some muslim man after he kills your wife because a monkey pulled off her head scarf.

You really think the West has any chance of controlling it's own culture? Even the Trump movement is mostly socially liberal. Don't lie to yourself, the West gave up on it's culture

No, you autistic fuck.