Correlation between capitalism and low birth rates?

It seems to me that the more capitalistic the country the lower the birthrates?

Yes that is true.

1. Better healthcare. No need to shit out babies to have few of them make it.
2. Push for women to be in the workplace so the economy can grow. Studying takes place during the most fertile years and having babies stalls your career.
3. Expense of having babies due to conspicuous consumption.

Personal guess -

>Less children = more pocket money
>more pocket money = more money saved typically
>more money saved = big lumps over time
what do you do with big lumps? invest them.
>big lumps = investments
>investments = direct stimulation of markets
This is my reasoning for not having kids. Capitalism fuels the rewards of not paying for an offspring.

not true during the 1800s Britian there was babies everywhere

Communism means starvation.
If you have many children, at least one will live and continue the family line.

because they would bring income to their families
not if it works

HUGE REDPILL COMMING TRHOUGH:

Capitalism and Communism are just two sides of the same shekel.

>communism
>works

because economics work like that

We need to remove pension systems and have elderly people be supported by their kids. This would either encourage people to have kids or at least make it so that the elderly pensions wouldn't be a problem

Wrong, it's the welfare state that puts lazy people at an advantage and hard working people or career pursuers at a disadvantage when it comes to founding a family. Supporting a welfare state is literally ethnomasochism.

market socialism seems to work fine, so I don't see why people would need to go hungry in future tries.

disgusting feet

I am not talking economics but on a racial/spiritual level.

Both are designed to suit the jew to dominate us. like it or not.

capitalism and communism have both been pushed by jews.

Market socialism isn't communism, if that's what you mean by nordic countries. There literally are super rich people, and income caps. What communists would call the capitalist class exists and there is no push to get rid of them. It's capitalism mixed with socialism, i don't see how that is communism.

A good solution is always a good solution.

Market socialism only works because Euro armies are subsidized by the USA (through NATO). Take away NATO and let each euro country fend for itself and see if your precious "market socialism" works.

Capitalism: a product of enlightement and empirical scientific research conducted in the british empire in late 1700's. If we mean by capitalism the shit adam smith created.

Communism: Ramblings of a NEET who hadn't worked a day in his life, but thought that he had the whole world figured out. Zero empirical research involved, just his own thoughts.

These are in no way two sides of the same coin. They are two completely different things and i don't understand why they have always trough history been lumped together.

The jew can't control trough capitalism because it's based on science and the jew doesn't control science.

Have you really only noticed this now? Capitalism is the cause of mass immigration and everything wrong with the west today.

>better standard of living leads to lower birth rates
checks out. everyone always knew communists were nigger tier.
1. communists live like niggers
2. communists act like niggers
3. communists starve like niggers
4. communists steal like niggers

it all really just makes a lot of sense

>future tries

>wanting to try communism again
sure, we'll ship you to an abandoned island and you and your stupid edgy friends can starve by yourselves.

I'm not sure if capitalism is really to blame. I think cultural changes are responsible for this.

I mean during the Victorian age, when capitalism was completely unrestricted and on steroids, you didn't have low birth rates.

>The jew can't control trough capitalism because it's based on science and the jew doesn't control science.

please teleport me to that timeline

Makes sense.
>your well-being is contingent on being cost effective instead of guaranteed
>children cost a fucking lot of money
>smarter not to have children

Capitalism is the cause for the decline of birth rates in the west. Problem solved.

>during the Victorian age, when capitalism was completely unrestricted and on steroids, you didn't have low birth rates.

Is this really true though? They might have been higher than we are today, but what were they then compared to what they were a century earlier?

Women voting and women getting educated and having jobs is what lowers the birth rates as it does not matter how advanced a society is.

Men can be as educated as they want and they will still have kids but women lose their fertile years to college and career and then try settling down with a beta cuck when they got old.

No because the form of capitalism we possess today hasn't even existed over a century. Guy is a literal retard.

it's inevitable user

okay, then you can inevitably get shipped off somewhere you retards can only hurt yourselves.

Scandinavia has low birth rates. Explain.

>Victorian age
Kids were profitable back then because they were mostly farm hands.

kys now hans. I'm done paying your imperial eu tax

Full of cucked femimen that have been brainwashed into thinking they're not worthy of having a woman shit out a babby for them.

welfare state: low birthrates

Is no one going to point out that communist societies literally have and have had the lowest birth rates in human history?

East Germany, China, even the USSR had below replacement birth rates while the West was still pumping out 3 and a half kids per woman.

this, the ussr had massive feminisism + welfare but then they had to change course quickly to get birthrates up

Yeah, China grew from 500mil after WW2 to 1.3B with below replacement birth rates. Top kek.

This. It's not capitalism, but this dysgenic welfare state tht is to blame.

Excellent supporting evidence of the above assertion.

Congratulations. You just found out that 99% of pol are complete autistic libertarian idiots.

The real red-pill is that every problem with our economic environment today can be attributed to corporatism, not capitalism. Corporatism is another ballpark altogether and, while a biproduct of capitalism, is something that could easily be regulated and monitored. The problem is that we as Americans have let it go on for so long that these companies essentially have bigger economies than countries and can lobby our government in their favor.

Scandinavia are all capitalist countries.
They just also fund a large and universal welfare state and have better (more equal) relations between workforce and business owner.

>Capitalism:
>Capitalism is an economic system based on private ownership of the means of production and their operation for profit. Characteristics central to capitalism include private property, capital accumulation, wage labor, voluntary exchange, a price system, and competitive markets.

>Communim wouldn't cause starvation if it "worked."

Communists are functionally retarded. They never evolved to understand the difference between reality and "make-believe." They truly believe an assertion with no evidence based in reality constitutes an argument.

SAGE ing for suspected slide thread.

>country's people gain high standards from success
>3rd worlders want the success and benefits from living in such a country
>country takes them for their cheap labor since they have low standards
>3rd worlders start mass reproducing because their lack of standards doesn't stop them from doing so, regardless of their lack of wealth
>country becomes addicted to their cheap labor and because they are able to lower the average wage because there now is more competition among the workers for jobs
>original citizens with higher standards slowly decline from having as much, or not any, children, because they are now paying for more social programs for the 3rd worlders and are losing wealth themselves, but not their standards
>the government declines to serve the original citizens who have been there for hundreds of years, or more, in favor of the new 3rd worlders
>country needs justification in bringing in more 3rd worlders to replace the original citizens as the original citizens still overwhelmingly outnumber the 3rd worlders
>as the government is able to rely more on the 3rd worlders votes, they require less justification to bring them in and can openly say that the originals can be replaced and not be called out for it, at least majorly
>as the numbers of 3rd worlders continue to rise and the original citizens start to notice that they WILL actually be replaced, the government will go back to justifying the replacement (genocide/refugees/war/etc.)
>competing countries help fund initiatives that "promote human rights for marginalized people" because they are unable to gain any power through normal military means
>(most of western society is here)

2 xpnsv to hv babies.

Regulation facilitates corporatism. It does not discourage it. Corporatism is as much a byproduct of capitalism as our fucked up healthcare system (dominated by medicare) is byproduct of freemarket "failures."

Most regulated industries in US: Banking, Healthcare, Real-Estate, Energy, Pharma. Least regulated: software / IT development. Which group is prone to corporatism?

Pic related.

In capitalist countries were goods are produced in high quantities in factories, you don't need laborers (a lot of children). Still, big families are a blessing, material things can come and go, but your children will be there with you for a long time and you can get to see your grandkids, basically makes you feel even when you go away a piece of you will stay on Earth.

Nah, if there's no welfare people tend to breed more as social security.

>basically makes you feel even when you go away a piece of you will stay on Earth.
for what reason? to ensure your genetic line gets a generation closer to the eventual demise of our species? wow what a great opportunity.

For fuck sake! Low birth rates are directly as a result of everything (((they))) have done - Cultural Marxism.

>to the eventual demise of our species? wow what a great opportunity.
Then kill yourself what are you waiting for?

And if there is welfare low IQ groups tend to breed more than the average population, like the fucking gypsies in our country

Affluence causes people to wait longer to have kids due to wanting to indulge in selfish life styles. This is well known.

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Because capitalism is all about yourself and not society. Kids fuel society, but drag down the self. It takes a while to kick in so that's why whites are the most effected because they have been the most exposed.

Only a Jewish ideology can make whites act like niggers.

r/K selection

Capitalist societies are resource-abundant, so those resources are allocated toward improving the quality of children rather than their quantity since there's less risk of your children dying of starvation and disease, so you don't need to squeeze out 14 of them to mitigate damages

Unfortunately, nations with less capitalist leanings have poorer economies with more risk of death or estrangement, so parents tend to have far more children because who cares if a couple of them die, we have 11 and one of them is bound to get lucky eventually

Cuba is more capitalistic than U.S.A?

>all poodles in a plastic world
capitalism peddles boutique existence. women have become poodles

Nah it just sucks there