Yes, welcome aboard. Dunno why the thread is so slow today
Thomas Fisher
Libertarianism as a whole is not very popular anywhere in the world. I can't think of a single modern nation that one would consider a libertarian, minarchist, or anarcho-capitalist state.
How's the libertarian scene in Portugal, amigo? I imagine it's just as low-energy and lonely as it is here in the states.
Charles Wood
The most important thing you can do for the white race is keep your own life in order. You must be successful, reliable, hardworking, and, above all, happy. Do people in your life trust and respect you? What does your family think of you? Are you capable of raising children? Racial politics doesn’t have to be the only factor of your life. And if you can't achieve these things in your real life, then you are not ready to be a political activist, either online or in real life. Because if you can't make anything of your own, individual life, then how can you think you'll be able to make a real difference for the race, for the lives of many?
Always remember: we live in first world countries and have opportunity that most people born on this planet don't. Take care of yourself. Work your ass off, every day, to build a good life for you, and for your family. Spend your time wisely, and keep your real life priorities in order. Nothing on the internet should ever take away from your real life. Your time on Earth is short and precious. Start planning on making the most of it.
Cameron Bailey
It's non-existent. It's only a thing in the US (and even there I'm talking about the libertarian-minded citizens and not the Party itself) unfortunately. I do think that the writings of Mises and Rothbard are gaining traction in Brazil. Hopefully that will change things around. Aren't Switzerland and Hong Kong good examples of minarchism?
Switzerland is fairly libertarian on most policies, but it does have mandatory conscription, and it's in the Schengen Area, so it has open borders. As for Hong Kong, I think the PRC has tightened its grip and cut down on individual freedoms there.
David Evans
>Structurally, classism, sexism, and racism can inhibit a person's freedom. As positive liberty is primarily concerned with the possession of sociological agency,
Yes, it's unfortunate that the commies in China are trying to derail HK. Red scum are jealous of their success. Same thing with Taiwan unfortunately. But China will have to liberalize more eventually lest it wants to collapse in its own corporatist state. Regarding Switzerland, I believe in order for you to live there you must be approved by a council of people who will be your neighbors or something similar. I saw a story about them kicking off a woman from the country because she was an animal rights activist protesting cowbells.
Cameron White
I just want to thank you Portubro I greatly enjoy your music
Caleb Diaz
I haven't heard that story, but I remember reading this headline a while back:
So Switzerland's not totally kiked, but the imposition of that fine in the first place is problematic.
Tyler Johnson
Thanks!
Yes, I remember that. The Swiss people are still, fortunately, relatively unkiked and like to live their own way, without outside interference and big fusses. I remember some referendums where they voted against statism, so that's always a plus.
Oh, there's Liechtenstein also, I almost forgot. And pretty much the other microstates.
Anarcho-capitalism seems to lend itself to letting people creating their own micronations (paradoxically being very un-anarchist). Liechtenstein doesn't seem too great at enforcing the NAP, considering big brother Switzerland has accidentally invaded them like 10 times during basic military exercises.
Ryan Young
I remember in a lecture Hoppe described the "borders" or a ancap society theoretically being in a patchwork and state of flux, as the protection services people subscribe to would not be geographically determined, so like a map of who pays for Geico vs Progressive.
The problem I personally have with anarchocapitalism is the extent of property rights. What if someone has a valid claim to an entire city, and what if all land is validly claimed and run by people that insist on it's residents paying for various services in exchange for residence? What if a persons property expands even larger, to the extent of a state?
Bentley Martin
I guess that's the paradox of anarcho-capitalism, which is that it's a state of anarchy that lets people take control in a very authoritarian, state-like way; not much of an anarchy at all.
This is why I'm a minarchist; having a minimally authoritarian, central government enforce individual property rights takes care of the possibility of the warlord states that could come about in an ancap society (or at least, discourages them from popping up).
Ryder Taylor
Fascists are socialist faggots though
Bentley James
>Anarcho-capitalism seems to lend itself to letting people creating their own micronations (paradoxically being very un-anarchist). Why is this un-anarchist? If it is consensual and voluntary it is no different than you being invited to someone's home and following their specific terms of rules.
>What if someone has a valid claim to an entire city, and what if all land is validly claimed and run by people that insist on it's residents paying for various services in exchange for residence? What if a persons property expands even larger, to the extent of a state? If that person did in fact acquire so much land and wanted to impose rent and taxes on people, good luck. He'd have to offer some pretty swell services and benefits to find costumers in that way. If no one liked him then his property would be empty and probably multiple people would try to buy it from him or auction it off in parcels.
>What if a persons property expands even larger, to the extent of a state? Would be difficult given that pretty much all territories are already discovered and acquired. But if someone did in fact, the above still applies.
Nathan Miller
First, I want to clarify that while I disagree on the semantics, I'm not against the concept of this situation of multiple micronations.
Anyway, anarchy by definition requires that there be no governing body. If everyone's property is privatized to the extent that they all behave as individual microstates, is that really anarchy? People making their own laws isn't the same thing as having no laws at all.
Ryder Lewis
I think libertarians make a distinction between power and authority. The state has power over us, but no authority to make us follow its rules (because it is coercive monopoly). On the other hand, micro-nations (and not states) would still maintain a minimal level of authority for civilized living, albeit just and proper.
Christian Roberts
what book should I read first?
Grayson Watson
What are you looking for?
Nathaniel Sanchez
See pic related.
Ah, that's an interesting distinction. Obrigado!
Wyatt Wright
Huh, thats a good question. I began by "The Law", written by Bastiat, then followed it up with "The anatomy of the State" by Rothbard and went on to read "Democracy: The God that Failed" by Hoppe. I don't know if its the best way to do it, but hey, its a start
Matthew Reed
is that picture you user??? ha ha
Nicholas Ward
this looks really comprehensive, I'll see if I can start it in the summer after I've finished my current readings.
Owen Butler
De nada!
That's a good order.
I'd say you could start with Bastiat's essay "That Which is Seen, and That Which is Not Seen", move on to Henry Hazlitt's "Economics in One Lesson," followed by Rothbard's "Anatomy of the State", Hoppe's "A Short History of Man: Progress and Decline" and then "Democracy—The God That Failed". Then you move on to the big guys.
Sebastian Rodriguez
Valeu portubro. And, before I forget, "The Candlemaker's petition" by Bastiat is hillarious, would recomend to read after the "That Which is Seen, and That Which is Not Seen".
Grayson Robinson
It looks like Hoppe and libertarianism in general is getting a following in Brazil. I'm guessing most brasileiros are dissatisfied with socialism?
Justin Hernandez
Ah yes, I remember you mentioning it in the other thread. It was quite funny, him telling the godawful Sun was hurting the candle industry kek.
Lincoln Robinson
You would be correct.The libertarian movment is getting stronger here because we can see directly the incompetence of government. Most people start because of pragmatism, but they end up finding some youtube channels (The biggest one would be "Ideias radicais") and from there they just can't come back. But still, most people here are center-left.
Luke Martin
Huh, I don't come to these threads in over a week, I don't think that was me. kek
David Gutierrez
Kek in that case one of your huefriends already mentioned it. Nice anyways.
Cameron Scott
We favelas niggermonkeys will take over the movment, holy kek.
Mason Reyes
there are no good jews
Ian Sullivan
>1 post by this ID
I guess not even Bobby Fischer or Rothbard make the cut for you?
Michael Martinez
Regardless, I'm happy to hear we're gaining ground there. I might have to brush up on my português and move there soon!
Hence we physically remove them from our communities.
Josiah Carter
here is another post you fucking Kike Shill. The fact of the matter is Liberalism was promoted by Freemasons and Freemasonry was Kabbalism for the Goy to undermine monarchy. Libertarianism is just a re-branding of liberalism promoted after WW2 to sell to fat dumb Americans.
Zachary Perry
Well, I'm glad aswell. But its mostly here on the south, the north just needs to die. And good luck living here, it is not the most amazing experience, but it isn't horrible
Eli Hernandez
>(3) with Jews you lose Goldburg
Kevin Foster
I have never heard of a man more based than Hoppe. Truly /ourguy/
Michael Taylor
Hoppe is ok but libertarian philosophy is a losing position because it has no real substantive ethical foundation. Natural law is only valid through Gods authority, without God natural law is merely nihilism and moral relativism.
Samuel Davis
Charity and sympathy are voluntary actions, but much like the liberal welfare state, they foster laziness and degeneracy. For this reason, libertarianism does not encourage these activities.
>ibertarianism does not encourage these activities Special pleading and wishful thinking. By what authority is the individual sovereign? By what standard do you make ethical decisions?
William Reed
The individual is sovereign by his or her own authority. Ethical decisions are made by standards set by the most successful companies, which will be inherently ethical. You cannot be successful if you keep treating people like shit, because there is no state to force them to work for you or outlaw competition; if the people do not like your decision-making, they will not buy your products/services, and they most certainly will not work for you.
Joshua Cox
That fails to understand the question I am purposing. You clearly don't understand basic epistemology. There is a metaphysical necessity for an aristotelian "unmoved mover" or a " unchanging ideal" so that on can measure judgments in regards to ethics. >individual is sovereign by his or her own authority so you are one of those "sovereign citizen" retards because me and my (theoretical for the sake of argument) "collective" army will crush you.
Kevin Edwards
For what purpose is your collective army out to get me? Moreover, why am I living in a community where assholes like you spontaneously form armies and attack innocent people?
Charles Lewis
I am not a huge fan of Greg Johnson on account of the fact that he is a Sodomite. But he is smart and credit where credit is due when he made this argument against Libertarian individualism. Economics aside, I think all you lolberts should take the time to listen to Gregs talk at the London Forum.
(checked) You (theoretically) have resources and land, My tribe has to eat and find shelter. We take it form you by force. We are also ethically justified because our God promoted it.
Daniel Diaz
I'm not an idiot, so I'm not going to just leave all my land and resources unprotected for shitty little pagan tribes to steal. I'm going to install whatever and hire whoever I need to fend off greedy little bastards who can't be bothered to work/pay for whatever it is they want from me.
Ethan White
you are never going to acquire the capital in the first place because you are too busy eating burgers and smoking pot. Where as I and my Folk have build a tremendous Nation. You are literally living a pipe dream. By the way what is stopping you from buying an Island and building your Galt's Gulch right now? Why are you not living your libertarian dream right now? Is it by any chance that collective group interest always trump the individual?
Christopher Johnson
So, a question for AnCaps here. How do you justify Anarcho-Capitalism as the most moral political system if there is no such thing as objective morality? (considering AnCaps take everything to the logical extreme). If you wanted to enforce the morality property then (considering AnCaps have this as their gold standard) when wouldn't you need a state to do so? If I can go and kill someone, therefore robbing them of their property, how would that be enforced if someone simply doesn't accept those morals?
Blake Young
Wait, what? Libertarianism isn't hedonism. Sure, I *can* smoke weed and eat all the junk food I want, but I'm not going to prosper that way. How am I getting these sought-after resources by just sitting on my ass all day? Libertarianism also does not ignore collectivist interests, it just doesn't impose them. If I want access to the internet so I can argue with strangers like I'm doing right now, I have to buy the service. If I just live on some remote island or some hill, I'm not going to be able to go out and purchase services like the internet or running water or electricity etc. that make my life more comfortable. The difference is that I get to pick and choose what I pay into based on what I want/need, instead of keeling over for some collectivist mob to pick what I pay for and how much I pay at gunpoint.
Connor Fisher
Stay the fuck out of our city right scum.
Bentley Rogers
Make us.
Isaiah Cruz
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Luke Morales
We do, when we see one of you cucks on the street or in a bar we physically remove you from the premises
Caleb Morgan
private protection agencies, there are plenty of in depth explanations and even examples of how they might work
And it always works out fantastic for you, doesn't it?
Noah Anderson
although I wish that tweet were real, unfortunately it turns out it was just a fabrication by antifa bums fishing for sympathy. In actuality it was just a lost bet.
Jason Hall
>unironically being a lolbertarian
Evan Kelly
I'm disappointed in myself for not realizing this. Here's a real antifa that failed at physical removal then.
Eli Clark
>private protection agencies, there are plenty of in depth explanations and even examples of how they might work
Alright. I will take a look into that. Thanks.
>Hoppe offers a self ownership axiom from which Ancapism can be logically derived, which is arguably proven via performative contradicion.
Since you mentioned it, what defines the ability to self ownership? What does the axiom establish as the line as to one owns self ownership? I'm new to Libertarianism and it's ideological tenants, and I'm trying to explore them myself.
Aiden King
ded thread ded general ded meme ideology
pic related niggers are just gonna vote in socialists and communists, and these idiots are just gonna think running off to muh farm where you can own tactical nukes fixes the wider problem >Fucking anarchism
Daniel Myers
I don't understand it 100% but from what I can gather >an argument must be nonviolent to be meaningful (you cant punch someone into a won argument) >one must accept nonviolence (non aggression principle) in the act of engaging in argumentation >arguing against the non-aggression principle is a performative contradiction (you claim to argue against it but in your actions you demonstrate the contrary) >therefore the NAP is a logically derived, irrefutable law of nature
something like that at least
Oliver Allen
Alright. I'll continue to take a look through it. Thanks.
Hudson Jenkins
AnCap is literally the most retarded ideology ever.
