Those NGO ships communicate with Libyan people smugglers and get money from them to "rescue" illegals and bring them to Malta and Italy.
Can someone explain to me how the Italian navy allows those NGO ships to enter Italian waters? How is this NOT smuggling illegals? If a private NGO ship full of illegals wants to enter Italian waters, why is it not denied entry? It is not like that NGO ship is sinking or needs help, so no reason for the NGO ship to bring the illegals to Italy and Malta - the NGO ship can turn around and bring them back to Africa, right?
----- The accusations made by European government agencies that non-governmental organizations (NGOs), while conducting search and rescue operations of refugees in the Mediterranean, have also been involved in people smuggling, have come under fire in a recent report.
The European Union's border agency Frontex accused NGOs of adding problems to the migration crisis. The government department issued a statement that blamed Medecins Sans Frontieres (MSF) and several other NGOs for colluding with human smugglers and being responsible for more migrants dying at sea.
Frontex executive director Fabrice Leggeri said that NGO vessels in Libyan waters had contributed to more traffickers forcing migrants onto unseaworthy boats, which have insufficient supplies and fuel.
In addition to this, a report appeared in the Financial Times, which seemed to support the claims that NGOs were in fact helping people smugglers.
The deliberate population replacement program (genocide) of first world whites continues. Find whites irl who want to do something about this, and work with them.
“Immigration can never be an effective or significant way to deal with the suffering people of the world. They have to be helped where they live.”
Also those blacks are not hungry, they have jobs in Africa but they are too fucking lazy.
Also NGOs ignore the fact that those men throw women and children to the sea, but feminists don´t care because they obviously don´t want refugee women.
Thomas Brooks
They are being investigated but it's gonna take time
Joseph Reyes
>They are being investigated but it's gonna take time My question was, why you allow them to make port in Italian ports? Why do you let them enter Italian waters? They are breaking the law by taking illegals to Italy - this is crystal clear. And if the NGO ships are not sinking themselves, there is no reason whatsoever to help them offload illegals on the EU mainland.
Oliver Sullivan
because the EU told them not to send them back or face sanctions.
Ian Gutierrez
>because the EU told them not to send them back or face sanctions. You do understand Frontex is an EU organizations and accuses those NGO boats of committing crimes and urging Italy to imprison the leaders of the NGO boats?
Or putting it differently, why are you lying? What is your agenda? The NGOs and the Italian government are our enemies, not the EU Frontex.
Brandon Lee
Not the EU actually, the European Court of Human Rights is not part of the EU, as far as i understand it they are a bunch of unelected judges that decide whether you as a country should recognize gay marriage, destroy your society by importing tens of millions of niggers and stuff like that
Benjamin Kelly
>"They want to criminalize us"
No, I want to execute you. Torture you, flay you with a knife. I won't leave this Earth without first torturing many (((((((((((((NGO'S))))))))))))) to death. Dead serious, if an NGO is reading this - it's probably going to be you, someone very close to you, or your own family.
Jack Clark
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Adam Taylor
We know and it's your bloody MaMa Fatso Merkel Fault.
1) Fine and sanction us for millions euro for not taking enough immigrants 2) Remove Gheddaffi in Lybia, when we had a working agreement with him 3) Sponsor a financial coup against Berlusconi who was the one sending them back 4) Install Monti as a national surrender government 5) Open doors policy for all rapefugees loudly proclaimed by that fatass bitch traitor
Aiden Russell
Well technically they 'rescue' the refugees on their sinking boats (or claim they have). I'd have to look up whether they have to make port at the closest country or they can go wherever after they do so. This is a grey area in terms of law so don't get your hopes up. A better approach would be visit those NGO's and make it VERY you don't like this. (I'm absolutely, definitely not saying people should go to their offices at night and destroy them, or beat up their employees and things like that of course)
Zachary Scott
The end sentence is wrong. Italy has the authority to keep them out of their waters. There is no reason whatsoever for Italian authorities to let them make port in Italy - especially considering illegals are on the ships.
I blame the Italian government first, everyone else later.
Ethan Gonzalez
Sad part is that it's all legal and humanitarian If someone can bust them for accepting cash from smugglers, then it's good If not, the only other action is to break the eu
Joseph Morris
>1) Fine and sanction us for millions euro for not taking enough immigrants It was 15k in 3 cases in 2012... and it was the ECHR, not Germany. And the whole things has changed.
>2) Remove Gheddaffi in Lybia, when we had a working agreement with him Germany was not taking part in that war, Italy was. Learn history.
>3) Sponsor a financial coup against Berlusconi who was the one sending them back That was your commie left, not Merkel.
>4) Install Monti as a national surrender government That was your commie lefts.
>5) Open doors policy for all rapefugees loudly proclaimed by that fatass bitch traitor Pic related, you asstard. You idiots KNOW those NGOs are fucking taxiing illegals to Italy. And you do nothing. Why?
Nolan Ross
They have to take them to the closest port which is in Tunisia, they just ignore it and take them here instead
1) 6mln in 2009, other fines threatened 2) Don't you remember Merkels + Sarkozy presser and Camoreon's & Merkels tour campaign. As usual, fatsa was the inspirer, and we had to go along with it 3) Not accurate at all. Merkel was furious at Berlusconi for not allowing you to put Italy under WMF and troika 'protection', so he had him removed thanks to Draghi. See, for instance A.E.P. on the spectator. 4) A consequence of 3 5) Because we still have no sovreignity as a state, thanks to europhiles bastards like the german government
Camden Rogers
Most of the ship under contract with MSF
Jonathan Miller
They are creating the migrant crisis if you are Sub Saharan you know you can get collected 6 nautical miles off Libyan coast by the EU fleet! It's fucking disgraceful. They are converted Offshore Oil and gas supply vessels.
Hunter Clark
There are three "migrant offshore aid station" boats just waiting at the Libyan coast righ now. two of them describe themselves as "pleasure craft"
>Catalog It's an anchor handler not a tug and has a deck for containers and offshore tools like drill pipe etc, I know I see them everyday on the rigs.
Jaxon Kelly
Well the main built of this type of hull are tugs m8. Most of the last decade tugs are built like that one
Ayden Morris
Ok fair enough, they are good vessel take big seas in the North Sea's 20m swells etc. Do you think the new slave trade in Libya will dissuade the Blacks from being trafficked across the Sahara? If they risk being captured and sold, will they stay in there shitty countries for good?
hate the libtard guardian but link attached to news article.
Isaiah Russell
>EU fleet >NGO ships which the EU says are funded by Libyan people smugglers
come again?
Blake Diaz
Good, those folks "rescue" them and bring them back to Libya.
Josiah Powell
>Can someone explain to me how the Italian navy allows those NGO ships to enter Italian waters?
because last time we refused them we had germans asking for our heads in eu, fucking sissy hans
David Wilson
>Do you think the new slave trade in Libya will dissuade the Blacks from being trafficked across the Sahara? If they risk being captured and sold, will they stay in there shitty countries for good?
Nah. The prize outweighs the risk for them. If they stay in their shitholes they will die of starvation because they are lazy niggers. If they manage to get to Europe they are subsidized, if they get sold they at least have steady food source. Their only true risk is drowning really
Hudson Smith
>Italy has the authority to keep them out of their waters. Any ship, passenger, cargo or otherwise, which notices a call for help from a boat in distress containing likely refugees has to race to that position, take the refugees on board and deliver them to the nearest European Union port (it has to be a European Union member state port, Libya/Egypt/Tunisia is strictly not allowed) where, under European Union rules, they must be given the opportunity to register as asylum seekers as though they had arrived by regular means.
Jace Price
Mad to think Europe will die because of a childless menopausal woman's ego, eh?
James Lewis
I never said they were paid for by the Libyan smugglers, they are amplifying the situation by making the crossing less risk if you get into a boat it only has to travel a few miles to get collected. Look these EU vessels paid for by EU Govt. coordinate with smugglers, it obvious. Easier to get a tip off for a location of boats coming offshore then to search for then small boats that may not come up on radar.
Xavier Cook
>You idiots KNOW those NGOs are fucking taxiing illegals to Italy. And you do nothing. Why? Because they have to turn a blind eye and have all those Africans cross to Italy. It's like during the migrant crisis when mama Merkel invited the rapefugees over, Orban raised a razor wire fence, and the EU literally wanted to turn us into a hotspot for migrants (our soc-dems tricked you and started dumping all those migrants to Slovenia and Hungary until Slovenia and Austria agreed to organise a corridor with us)
Easton Sanders
>This is a grey area in terms of law Unfortunately, it's not a grey area in terms of law on a European Union level, and European Union law abrogates all national laws that contradict it.
If you're on a ship sailing under the flag of a European Union member state and you find a boat in distress: 1) You must take its passengers and crew on board your own ship. 2) Because you sail under a European Union member state's flag, you are then forbidden from returning them to where they came from, because 3) European Union law guarantees them the right to apply for asylum in a European Union member state as though they had come by regular means.
European Union law is cut and dry on this one. You must help them. That is why there is no imaginable solution to this problem that does not include the total dismantling of the European Union.
Austin Hernandez
No. Not the closest port. The closest port belonging to a European Union member state where the asylum seekers can seek asylum under European Union minimum standards, which are met only in current European Union member states. That is the real problem. The European Union absolutely forbids any European vessels to return migrants to Libya/Egypt/Tunisia. Even if they're picked up within sight of Libya's coast line, they have to be taken to Malta, to Italy, to Greece, or to the country under whose flag the rescue ship sails.
Jeremiah Adams
Maybe let them risk the sea's roth rather than a taxi service from 6 NM offshore, let the fuckers drown. There should be no usual EU traffic in that area unless the reach the shipping routes.
Angel Sullivan
The United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea states that they MUST be taken to the closest port, doesn't matter where it is, so Tunisia Then there is the fact that they are wannabe asylum seekers but at that point they haven't made any request so they are still illegal immigrants
Henry Cooper
The problem is that these organisations are allowed to do with their ships what they want.
And if they want to rescue niggers, none of us can do anything about it short of dismantling the European Union so that its law no longer applies.
Logan Parker
It's like the NGO's are bidding for the contract to collect them, getting foreign aid from the EU and because we (UK) give 2% GDP to aid as well as 2% GDP to Defence spending. They should not be allowed to cherry pick these fuckers up unless they take them to a deserted island somewhere other than the EU. They all end up in the EU on handouts raping and selling drugs.
Connor Martin
>The problem is that these organisations are allowed to do with their ships what they want. + Frontex
Italy asked for more money to handle the migrant crisis, the EU sent more boats to pick up migrants because too many have started drowning on their way to Europe. It seems as if the EU is more concerned about its image than the fact that member states like Italy and Greece are places under even more pressure and will go to shit (if Greece can be more shit than it is now)
Let me quote from a Commission handbook on European Union asylum law.
>These instruments [including the one you reference] contain a duty to render assistance and rescue persons in distress at sea. A ship’s captain is furthermore under the obligation to deliver those rescued at sea to a ‘place of safety’. >Under EU law, Article12, read in conjunction with Articles 3 and 3a43 of the Schengen Borders Code, stipulates that border management activities must respect the principle of non-refoulement [you can't send them back to a country where it's possible that they will be in any way persecuted]. >All individuals who allege to having been the victim of a violation of the rights and freedoms guaranteed by EU law, including violation of a Charter provision, must automatically have access to an effective remedy which includes ‘effective judicial protection’ against a refusal of access to the territory or access to the proceduresinvolved [so they can take you to court and the court will decide in their favor]
Levi Taylor
Based rapefugees remember to protect their brainwaves when in reach of the jewish-controlled EU
Dominic Hill
Our border so not reach the North African coast, apart from Spanish territory. We need more slave markets to round these cunts up. Merkel has already said the German population is stagnant, the EU want more ragheads and blacks to increase populations as whites are not breeding anymore.
Jackson Diaz
>It seems as if the EU is more concerned about its image than the fact that member states like Italy and Greece are places under even more pressure and will go to shit Looks like we have a winner. The European Union fancies itself the continuation of the Roman Empire. It cares only about waving the blue flag that bears the golden stars, seeing troops march to its anthem, and expanding its territory and short term economic power. Juncker, Verhofstadt, Tusk, Dijsselbloem, Draghi, Mogherini and Timmermans are paper pushers who want to be Roman nobility, ruling over a great multinational empire. They suffer from the same delusions that you can dilute your identity without losing it that eventually killed the Western Roman Empire.
Robert Cooper
What rights do they lose in Tunisia though? It's a safe country
Tyler Morales
They can argue "we is blackies, we blackies no liked in Tunisia, they make us slaves an send us into de desert if we gets sick".
Brody Wright
Based user you are correct.
Hunter Jenkins
Like the man said, if an EU vessel collects, he has to take to an EU port. Fucked up laws thank God for Brexit!
Christian Lopez
>Juncker, Verhofstadt, Tusk, Dijsselbloem, Draghi, Mogherini and Timmermans are the nly real obstacle to finding a solution to the migrant crisis, in my opinion. For them, to admit they were wrong, would mean political suicide, and everything they've built would go to shit
There's no real need to dismantle the EU - it just needs a reset. It's that simple. Of course, this won't happen (at least for another 10 years, if we don't get migrant crisis 2.0: flood of epic proportions edition) because both the EU and the people who lead it are all about holding onto their seats and keeping the status quo
Camden Young
A lot of those ships are from Panama because of taxes i assume
Jeremiah Cooper
This must be a crime, we need to imprison the people responsible for this act of treason.
Samuel Barnes
Looked some of them up. >Sea-Eye. Registered as a pleasure craft, Dutch flag. >Seefuchs. Registered as a fishing ship. German flag. >Iuventa. Registered as an offshore supply ship. Dutch flag. >Bourbon Argos. Registered as an offshore supply ship. Luxembourg flag.
Jonathan Gutierrez
Yes registered in a tax haven, but crewed by Brits and EU's. It's like they are generating their income by creating the crisis to feed off it.
Soros funded operation. Also more research needs to be done on the organ harvesting angle. Undocumented people are a great organ and body part resource. Ships at sea a great place to harvest organs with no oversight.
Luke Price
If there are over 176 thousand migrants in Italy (October 2016 data) and the country spends €1k per migrant every month, where do you get the €176 million/month for that shit? I mean, even with the EU financial aid, I doubt they cover more than 50%
Zachary Thomas
When will that old cunt die? Who would be his successor? Is it me or does he look like the Devil.
Leo Gutierrez
Would it be possible to buy a torpedo boat and just cruise near Libya, trick them into thinking I'm part of the Italian coastguard and then just torpedo all these migrants before they get within a 100 miles of Europe?
Brody Hughes
None of this applies to private NGOs, this applies to government agencies and military missions and coast guards.
Also, a "place of safety" doesn't mean the EU. Nor does Italy or Malta have to let them in.
Bentley Foster
More to date, going to be an influx this summer. How do they justify that figure of cost in the budget?
Logan Nelson
Still won't matter much in the long run. Authorities don't have the time, manpower or lawyers to dispute the flag under which a ship sails.
Oh, by the way - the Iuventa is currently off the coast of Tripoli/Zuwarah, and so is the Phoenix.
There's also an Italian offshore supply ship near there called the Hamal - not sure if it's another rescue ship or if it's actually doing work. Doesn't pop up when looking through the various rescue charities' fleet lists. Only pops up because £500,000,000 worth of cocaine was seized from it by English authorities on the North Sea in 2015 in the biggest-ever drug bust.
Blake Williams
The 2017 budget states 4 billions from italian taxpayers and 100 millions from the EU (so indirectly from italian taxpayers)
Gabriel Moore
I was thinking that, sink the cunts.
Christian Murphy
Have you been to Valetta, fuck its full of them.
Nathaniel Robinson
His successor would be his son. Honestly, I want to keep George Soros for a few more years, because at least he has the muddled mind of a senile old man. His son is much more 'street wise'.
1. Ships sailing under EU flags must abide by these rules as well as the general international law of the sea. 2. The European Union specifies in its handbook on EU asylum law that "place of safety" includes non-refoulement and the access to EU asylum and/or judicial procedures. That means EU land.
Landon Brown
So it makes sense, Libya now a drug trafficking route also.
Evan Reyes
>Any ship, passenger, cargo or otherwise, which notices a call for help from a boat in distress containing likely refugees has to race to that position, take the refugees on board and deliver them to the nearest European Union port (it has to be a European Union member state port, Libya/Egypt/Tunisia is strictly not allowed) where, under European Union rules, they must be given the opportunity to register as asylum seekers as though they had arrived by regular means.
That is wrong. And it is not what happens. The Italian Navy does not "race to the position of NGO boats" - the NGO boats come with the illegals on board to Italy and Malta. There is nothing in any law, be it EU law, Italian law or Maltese law, that requires that these boats are let into EU waters. What is required is that if those NGO boats are sinking and they cry for help and you got a vessel nearby, you need to rescue the NGO boat. But you DO NOT have to let a perfectly good NGO boat come into EU waters.
Nathan Robinson
Lol 5 of the NGOs are German.
Isaiah Nguyen
>because last time we refused them we had germans asking for our heads in eu, fucking sissy hans That is absolute bs and you know it. You have zero links or sources for this claim and that is why you don't provide any. The EU has repeatedly criticized Italy for breaking EU law by letting illegals transit through to the EU mainland, instead of keeping em out.
Alexander Reyes
Are they pretending to be KANGZ In this pic or what
Elijah Wood
>Lol 5 of the NGOs are German. We have lots of SJWs. Yes.
But who is the real cuck here, Giovanni? You or us? You do not have to let those NGO boats enter Italian waters... but you still do. Why?
>The Italian Navy does not "race to the position of NGO boats" Didn't say that. These asylum seekers make a distress call, and all European ships (navy, coast guard or private) must then come hurrying to rescue them. Once they're on board of any ship sailing under any EU flag, they must be taken to the EU in order to enjoy protections from the EU. If they're saved by a charity under a non-EU flag, that charity may still choose to deliver them to an EU port, and that is what all of those charities are about. Once they arrive in that port, they must have unimpeded access to the regular asylum system as though they had arrived legally.
The whole damned system is one big legal loophole. Now I know you Germans like that, because you've been trawling for brown dick in the Mediterranean for God knows how long, but the rest of us don't want that.
Ayden Martinez
Not really. Due to the fact that the ships are from European NGOs they are free to cross Italian borders.
There's nothing the Italian judicial can do.
Jaxson Roberts
>How do they justify that figure of cost in the budget? I actually don't have a clue. That's a lot of money
>The 2017 budget states 4 billions from italian taxpayers and 100 millions from the EU (so indirectly from italian taxpayers) Jesus Christ. I know Italy has a huge budget, but come on
Andrew Scott
Is it possible to somehow blow them up at sea? They did enough to be considered enemy combatants
Joseph Garcia
Again, due to the fact that they are EU nationals (mainly German) they are free to cross the borders of any EU country, including Italy. Again, the judicial has been very clear of this. They aren't violating any law until they are caught bringing in someone that was already expelled.
Robert Ramirez
Hamal, several vessels with that name may not be the same as the Scotland drugs bust.
Robert Taylor
>They did enough to be considered enemy combatants
Lol, no tribunal ever will consider that. Unfortunately.
Bentley Rivera
>EU nationals (mainly German) they are free to cross the borders of any EU country, including Italy. Yes, but they got illegals on board. Last I checked, this is people smuggling under EU and Italian law. Just like on a land border, you can let the EU nationals in, but you can keep the illegals out.
It says so in the freaking law. Also, you can imprison the NGO people for people smuggling.
You could actually smuggle whatever the fuck you want that way. We even let IS terrorists pass through Croatia during the last migrant crisis because our government refused to fingerprint them/destroyed the documents (why would we risk Germany sending them back to us?)
Kevin Myers
>Also, you can imprison the NGO people for people smuggling. You're suffering from a problem that many others also suffer from. You think the law is something that exists universally, in and of itself, separate from people and their interests. You think, therefore, that you can get the law on your side.
Well, you may think you know the law, but your opponents - they make and interpret the law. You could have a law that says "illegal immigration is wrong" and take people to court over that, but the judge would say "the defence is right - they are undocumented, not illegal".
Landon Cooper
Laws and regulations aren't enforced when migrants are in question, Hans
William Price
Are they wearing tin foil hats
Cameron Wilson
Delet this
Nicholas Sanders
It is a thermal poncho ONLY given to children. >they killed some kids for them.
Dominic Reyes
And why is the law not enforced? It is possible, there just is no will in Italy to do so for whatever reason.
Illegals claim ''we want asylum'' which by international law forces you to bring them to land and process their application. (spoiler 60 to 80% get rejected, you still can't block them)
You are delusional if you think the NGOs aren't exploiting all the legal loopholes. Look up at your nearby university, you'll find a shit ton of scholarships for law students to make research on ''international law for refugees'' so that they can spot loopholes, coordinate strategies and bring in as many as possible without breaking rules.
It's fucking ridiculous. Anyay, there were 2 intense parliamentary sessions in the last 2 days, with prosecutors and Frontex testifying, let's see if it leads to somewhere.
We have a fucking unelected center left globalist government but they managed to force them to repeal the right to appeal when your asylum application gets denied, so that should speed up things a bit. We'll see about the NGOs.
>And why is the law not enforced? Do you seriously think the EU would let them to enforce it? The bureaucrats don't give a fuck about Italy or what happens there - cut the deficit, take in asylum seekers, implement regulations, and that's that
Robert Peterson
I dream of a day when Europeans realize this is being done to us intentionally to exterminate us, take up arms, and start slaying the media, NGOs, (((politicians))) and (((bankers))). There's literally no reason to import millions of sub-80 IQ Africans who will never work or integrate, except to poison the genetic well and destroy our nations from within. Moreover the supposed authorities KNOW that importing these people will be a negative. They're doing it anyway, ie: with intent. That makes them our enemy.
Benjamin Lewis
>There's no real need to dismantle the EU Yes there is, the system is horrible by design and only benefits (((certain interests))). Why do you think these people want a EU army and a push towards total integration? They know they are completely fucked and try to save their ass.
