A genuine question to all lefty/pol/

A genuine question to all lefty/pol/
Why do you want communism/socialism?
Can't you see how failed of a system it is and how much damage did it cause?
You don't even need to look far for examples of communist authorities treating workers, someone who supposedly suffers under capitalism, like shit.
I assume most, if not all leftypol is from the west, particularly the US. I strongly advise you to have a read about worker's protests in Eastern Bloc countries and how the government handled them, you'll get a good look into how would your communist utopia look.

They will use the usual mental gymnastics and tell you it was not real communism and that real communism has never ever been tried before.

It caused, my friend, it was in the past.
Next time, it will work. You will see.

Just because it failled every time it was tried don't mean I can't ask for free things.

Ever notice they ignore and attack people who survived or fled communist oppression too?

>You don't even need to look far for examples of communist authorities treating workers, someone who supposedly suffers under capitalism, like shit

xD

>W marcu 2016 r. Telewizja Republika wyemitowała program, w którym Nitek zaprezentowała zarejestrowane z ukrycia nagrania, ilustrujące znieważanie jej na tle m.in. narodowościowym przez pracodawcę Hansa G. Niemiecki przedsiębiorca mówi m.in. "nienawidzę Polaków; nie to, że ich nie lubię, nienawidzę ich. Oni wszyscy są cwelami i idiotami. Lepiej jest w Afryce. Jesteście gównem"

MUH KAPYTALYZM

Have you seen what Holland has done with Turks, when they protested? They fucking let the dogs bite them. Violence against people isn't a trait of communism. Communism is a doctrine, not a practice

>inb4 le evil fat guy with a top hat

Everything that sucks about communism in "not real communism". Read this book because I have no arguments. Then they go what about this shit that has nothing to do with capitalism. They are like 10 year old retarded kids.

One of my friends who used to lurk here became a lefty because he fell for the university meme, went hundreds of thousands into debt, and then got mad that society wouldn't give him a job in his chosen field of study. He happened to pick one that is not only not marketable (anthropology/archaeology) but it's almost entirely populated by trust fund kids who got college paid for them and can afford to work for $12/hour for three months of the year and not go broke.

He also wants the government to pay off his loans, and he's unironically a (((Democratic socialist))) after being one of the most conservative people I used to know.

As I can be understood by some as a leftist I would say that I don't want either socialism or communism. Two models that are bounded to the XXcentury.
All I ask is a real democracy with transparency, where conflict is seeked to be mediated and not fled.

That's the worst part about leftists, I hate when they say "real communism has never been tried"
Because then, real communism does not exist. It will transform into a brutal dictatorship every time.
Then why every communist country does that?
It's not even about the practise itself, it's about the fact that they need to do this in the first place
and not to some fatcat entrepreneurs, to the very people the country is supposedly run by, the workers

Who's gonna run everything?
>w-why, the smart people of c-c-course
Why?
>takes a lotta thinkin
How are you going to motivate them to do this especially important and demanding work?
>uh give them more resources I guess
And people have to defer to them, no?
>of course
So you get a class of smart and rich people everyone else respects as leaders
>...
The pigs always start walkin on two legs, don't they?
>fuck you racist slime
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>wow just wow can't believe I'm hearing this
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>I need to take a shower
Agreed
>stinkshamer!
I must be going

that doesn't sound very leftist
honestly, you need to purge your academia of marxists, they are ruining your country from within

>Then why every communist country does that?
And why is France censoring anti-abortion websites? Why is Germany censoring anti-multicultural dissent? Why is Scottish police paying visits to people who wrote nasty things on Twitter? And as for violence - look at Singapore. They use violence against their people, but aren't communist. I repeat communism is a doctrine, violence exists regardless of official ideologies of the state. History hasn't ended, you'll see your portion of violence in the "capitalistic" West

Leftists are fucked in the head.
They have to go full retard, because they are retarded.
They can't simply examine why people are getting paid so little and try to do something about it, find a way to fix it. They can't simply look at poor and homeless people and figure out ways to help them. No. They have to go full fucking retard, full Marxism, everyone has to be poor, all property belongs to the government and will be redistributed.

These faggots have no chill.

Compare the commies to NatSocialists, Sup Forums racists, white nationalists, 1488 types etc. All these people want a country for white people, although many of them would like to simply genocide everyone who isn't white, they are smarter than that. They keep it realistic and sane. You ask a ''1488 gas the kikes race war now!!!!'' guy what he thinks would be a good way to make the world a better place, and they will give you something along the lines of ''we need to secure the border and encourage a positive white identity, if we lower taxes and don't make white people pay for non-whites the demographic trends will be reversed''.
Ask a ''love trumps hate'' kind of commie how they would like to make the world a better place, and they will tell you ''all private property should be seized, white people shouldn't be allowed to vote, in fact they should just be exterminated, the 1% need to be killed and/or arrested, and we need to give government unlimited power, but this is not REAL communism because although I am pushing for unlimited government power I am also an anarchist and the communism I am pushing isn't real communism, unless it works, in which case it's real communism''.

they think they'd be the ones running the show probably
Which, even if that happens, let's not forget about tremendous power struggles within the ruling party. Most of them would find themselves in a ditch somewhere very quickly
But french government hasn't run on the anti-abortion, and Merkel didn't pander to anti-multikulti movement when running for chancellor, while the communists said "from the workers, for the workers" and then proceeded to shit on them squarely.
I mean, violence is one thing, but alienating your population to the point where you need the military to cull their anger is another

I like giving people the benefit of the doubt, I just can't believe people are this stupid.

>but alienating your population to the point where you need the military to cull their anger is another
Oh right, it's not like those police raids in Germany aren't only a beginning of something bigger

You can't counter that with "look at this it's also bad therefore whatever your're saying doesn't matter"
The fact that Germany or any other country uses police raids doesn't make my claims any weaker, it still stands that communism is detrimental to the common man, and the government will persecute the opposition, that is pretty much universal for all governments

You are never going to get an answer.
Even the ones who realize communism is a failed ideology, they say things like ''well, communism works in theory, but in reality it fails''

The question is, why would you even want communism to work?
What is so appealing about communism?

Let's say communism just works, and by works I mean people aren't starving in the streets and the country doesn't collapse immediately.
Ok, imagine that scenario.
Now why would you fucking want that?

Do people want to have zero choice for where they can work?
Would your life really be better if you had no money and you would just have to live on gibsmedats?
Is it really such a fun life improving idea to not trade and not let individual citizens employ people to work for them?

Under communism you have central planners who tell people what to do. When a citizen uses their head to come up with an idea, they employ people, and he rewards them for their work, he becomes the ''central planner'', and that's capitalism.
Why would you even want to eliminate that?

No matter how you cut it, communism is just government monopoly on capitalism. They become the only central planners, they are the only ones who run all the factories. Assuming it all works out, at the end of the day that's just a capitalist society without any options. All it does is strip the individuals from having options on how they want to live their life, what they want to eat, what technology if any they use.

I like to have my own resources and the ability to spend them on what I want.
There is no appeal to communist. There are no upsides to communism, even if it magically works.
The only ''arguments'' for communism is commies autisticly screeching that other people have more stuff than them.

that's a very nice post latviabro, wish some commies would see it and stop being retarded

>Why do you want communism/socialism?

Because their present existence is worse than death.

The one in the middle has a cute face at least..

at the very least there won't be any more revolutions with communists like these